To all DS3 users out there...

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Am I the only guy who finds the STi to be the easiest and Fiat to be the hardest?
 
Gold, gold, silver so far.

Had to trick the fiat one by using a low rev turbo and a gearbox setting of +600 kph!!! stayed in first gear all way round but I was actually faster this way. If you're any good with a manual gearbox, this is probably better though...

In the Lotus event I had to use a lot of traction control to compensate oversteer, think I had it at 7. Then it was relatively easy.

Subaru only silver yet. Have struggled a bit finding a good enough setting. Found out that by testing too many different tunes, you never really get used to the car since the characteristics change all the time.
 
I'm a DS3 user and I will say these 3 are FAR from impossible. I had all 3 golded within 2 hours of downloading the patch.

As for the cars, all I did was reduce the weight as much as possible. I upgraded the horse power quite a bit, used the mid-rpm turbo [helps with acceleration out of corners], and used the power limiter. I used absolutely no tuning to any cars except on the Subaru, I ran 35 to the front and 65 to the rear for the power distribution.

As for any advice.....
- Like it has been said before, the biggest issue I think people are having is the tire restriction. You can't just huck the car into a corner and expect it to make it around. Brake early and be smooth, don't get too aggressive.
- Learn the car and what it is capable of, it is very unlikely you will beat it on your first try.
- Learn the track and stay on it. The only corner I was able to go off the track a little bit and improve time was with the Subaru on Laguna Seca. That corner is the left-hander going up the hill before the corkscrew.
- Also, for the Fiat on Deep Forest, when you are coming out of the small tunnel into the left-hander before the long straight, try to turn left a little early and be close to the the tunnel wall on the exit. You should be able to hold left and keep it floored the whole way through and carry all that speed into the straight. [You will come very close to the right side wall of the tunnel on the straight, don't get scared.]
- Try to be at full throttle as much as possible while being smooth during the Fiat race. If you normally use automatic transmission, using manual during this race will help and is easy due to the slowness of the cars.
- As for the Lotus on Tsukuba, I found that the last long right-hander is very key to gaining time as well as not losing any time. Be smooth and don't give it to much gas too soon.
- Also do not forget that sometime's you may not have to brake, just letting off on the gas sometimes will do you better and result in less time lost. This is especially important with the Fiat. [One area this works great is after the s corners in the beginning of Deep Forest where you have to make a long left corner where you'll come out with the rock wall on your right hand side.]
- This last bit has been said many times before and I will say it again. If you are using the driving line, don't rely on it, it lies. You don't need to brake in some places where it says you should. You also don't need to brake as early as it says either.

I hope this may help some of you fellow GTP-ers out there and good luck!
 
I use the DS3.

For the Sti I found the simplest of tunes dialed out the understeer:
- Add more rear brake bias (oversteer on turn in)
- Using the torque transfer thing (you can see im really technical), set it 65-70% to the rear (use the rear end to turn on acceleration)

ABS: 1, all other aids off, controller sensitivity 0 or 1 I think

I was able to run high 1:34 in practice which was more than enough to be consistently quick in the challenge.

Great challenge, I learnt alot
 
These reports are pretty interesting... I found the STi race to be the easiest. I think I won it in less than a half hour. The Fiat race took over an hour to perfect my line and suspension settings.

I have only been able to spend about 20 minutes on the Elise race but I can tell this one is going to be a bitch considering the non-precise throttle input with a DS3, and the Elise's tendency to oversteer unrealistically.
 
The Elise was easy. Still going for gold on the other two as I am very close.

It has and can be done.
 
Bill G
Don't give up on the new seasonals, I have now golded all three using my DS3, so it is certainly possible.
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What are you talking about ? I have golded everything using a DS3 and they were not that difficult.

The new seasonals were the first seasonals for a long time that gave some sort of challenge. The Fiat was ok once I got used to driving it, the Elise I managed first go, the STi was the toughest but once you work out how to drive the car and keep it on the black stuff then all is well. fwiw I tried 3 or 4 tunes and all seemed to get similar results.
 
StevenDunn99
What are you talking about ? I have golded everything using a DS3 and they were not that difficult.
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Well, aren't you just incredible then... :bowdown: ... :)

I started this thread because I saw a lot of people in other threads having a lot of trouble with these races and blamed it on the fact they use a DS3 over the wheel.

I'm an average driver and golded all 3 with a DS3 (eventually) so thought I would let these people know that it's easily do-able with practice and persistence and that they don't need to go out and spend a lot of money on a steering wheel set-up to improve.

That is all.
 
StevenDunn99
What are you talking about ? I have golded everything using a DS3 and they were not that difficult.
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Bill G
I started this thread because I saw a lot of people in other threads having a lot of trouble with these races and blamed it on the fact they use a DS3 over the wheel.

I'm an average driver and golded all 3 with a DS3 (eventually) so thought I would let these people know that it's easily do-able with practice and persistence and that they don't need to go out and spend a lot of money on a steering wheel set-up to improve.

That is all.
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Instead of contributing and trying to help, some people instead just fail to see things from any perspective other than their own. Then they feel the need to toot their own horn, for who's benfit than their own? Just their own. That's called insecurity my friend. If you truly have confidence in yourself you don't need to put others down to make yourself feel better.

OT: As a DS3 user myself, my advice would be:

For each race: Over-tune the engine as much as you can, then power-restrict it back down to the BHP limit so you keep the extra torque. Also, leave off a rear wing for the Fiat and Scooby, but put max rear downforce on the Elise.

For the Fiat: Cut the chicane if you have to. Keep the tranny set to a low'ish top speed so it tops out just before the end of both straights. Also I found that the semi-racing flywheel was too light for the Fiat's lack of power and was losing me drive on the up-hill sections. Cut the corner before the second tunnel as much as you can. Keep it tight through the banked left-hander at the bottom of the straight so you can get a good run out of it. Also keep it tight through the first tunnel.

For the Elise: Key to this one is learning the elise. Wait until the car is stabalized after corner exit before you gently apply power, as you don't have the luxury of a pedal. Consider softening the rear suspension a little to give it more grip. Again, set the tranny so you top out just before then end of the straight. You'll win this one in the corners as once you have the elise down, you can brake very late into them. Keep it very tight through the inside of the left-hairpin after the gentle chicane. Cut the next right-hander tight and keep the power through it as best you can.

For the Scooby: Was the hardest one for me. Try to encourage a bit of oversteer by softening the front, stiffening the rear. Consider a custom 4x4 distro and setting it to 30 front, 70 rear. Make sure you get a good run out of the corkscrew. Brake early into the final corner and get a good run out. Use other cars as wall brakes if you have to. Again, set the tranny low so you top out just after pit exit on the main straight. Also, hang to the right at the end of the start/finish straight (almost off the track) so you have a much better angle coming into the first double-left.

Hope those help.
 
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It's not really fair to pick Steve up on one sentence from his post. Context people. He was merely stating he achieved Gold using a DS3 and that he didn't find it particularly difficult.

To me that suggests that Golding these events using a DS3 is relatively easy and I agree. As I have suggested elsewhere, your choice of controller is not what makes these challenges more difficult than your average ones. It's the tyres. I doubt anybody here regularly chooses to race on anything other than slicks. Maybe Sport Softs.

Wheel Vs DS3 is immaterial...

{Cy}
 
CyKosis1973
It's not really fair to pick Steve up on one sentence from his post. Context people. He was merely stating he achieved Gold using a DS3 and that he didn't find it particularly difficult.
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Saying 'What are you talking about?' is a simple put-down.

So it is fair. If he dishes it out then he should also be able to take it. I'm sure he doesn't need you to defend him.
 
BarronGeddon
Saying 'What are you talking about?' is a simple put-down.

So it is fair. If he dishes it out then he should also be able to take it. I'm sure he doesn't need you to defend him.
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Well, it's not really. People have just chosen to gloss over the rest of the post, ignoring advice that was given.

Try some of the builds supplied, practise with the car, keep it on the black stuff and stop fixating on what controller you're using. It'll all be over sooner than you think...

{Cy}
 
CyKosis1973
It's not really fair to pick Steve up on one sentence from his post. Context people. He was merely stating he achieved Gold using a DS3 and that he didn't find it particularly difficult.

To me that suggests that Golding these events using a DS3 is relatively easy and I agree. As I have suggested elsewhere, your choice of controller is not what makes these challenges more difficult than your average ones. It's the tyres. I doubt anybody here regularly chooses to race on anything other than slicks. Maybe Sport Softs.

Wheel Vs DS3 is immaterial...

{Cy}
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Even though he picked out only one sentence from my post...?
Maybe he didn't mean to, but it came across as very condescending, I just didn't see the need for it.
 
Bill G
Even though he picked out only one sentence from my post...?
Maybe he didn't mean to, but it came across as very condescending, I just didn't see the need for it.
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Fair enough. Just wish everyone would calm down a little, I understand the frustration of having to restart the sodding race for hours on end, particularly when you can agonisingly see the lead car disappearing around the final corner.

It's been said from the start, by yourself and confirmed over and over, DS3 is not the issue.

👍 for starting the thread. 👎 for peeps getting het up. Just persevere...

{Cy}
 
Oh god would you stop missing the point every time you post. Someone was unnecessarily derogative. Some people took issue with it. It has nothing to do with people being het up becasue of the seasonals. It’s about personal manners.

If you generalise things any more I might have to shoot myself.

Sorry for the off-topic anyway. I'm out.
 
I completely understand where Steve was coming from. It doesn't make sense to make a topic directed towards the DS3 as if its some notably difficult task inherent to the controller. Ever since the steering sensitivity option had been added to the controller, results wise, it has been put more or less on the same level as a wheel. Car set ups for DS3 users really won't be any more unique than from any other control device so why single it out? Executing proper driving techniques consistently is what is key, not what controller you use. Anyone trying to blame their controller is either looking for an excuse to make themselves feel better or just flat out trolling.
 
I just hope PD make more events like these :)

There was blood, sweat and tears... (mostly because I was taking my frustrations out on my girlfriend) but I got there in the end.

That was a JOKE by the way!!! :lol:
 
Instrumental
I completely understand where Steve was coming from. It doesn't make sense to make a topic directed towards the DS3 as if its some notably difficult task inherent to the controller. Ever since the steering sensitivity option had been added to the controller, results wise, it has been put more or less on the same level as a wheel. Car set ups for DS3 users really won't be any more unique than from any other control device so why single it out? Executing proper driving techniques consistently is what is key, not what controller you use. Anyone trying to blame their controller is either looking for an excuse to make themselves feel better or just flat out trolling.
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Because for example completing the X Challenge with a DS3 is comparable to doing it with a wheel. I have both. It's not. Your point is invalid.

I'm trying to leave this thread behind but such nonsensicle posts keep pulling me back -_-'

And once again, just because your opinion differs doesn't justify insulting a thread creator to satisfy your own ego.
 
Instrumental
I completely understand where Steve was coming from. It doesn't make sense to make a topic directed towards the DS3 as if its some notably difficult task inherent to the controller. Ever since the steering sensitivity option had been added to the controller, results wise, it has been put more or less on the same level as a wheel. Car set ups for DS3 users really won't be any more unique than from any other control device so why single it out? Executing proper driving techniques consistently is what is key, not what controller you use. Anyone trying to blame their controller is either looking for an excuse to make themselves feel better or just flat out trolling.
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That's your opinion.
I have used my friends steering wheel on this game and I use a DS3 at home...
My opinion is that using a wheel gives greater accuracy in your steering, therefore improving your consistency in hitting all the apex's and the overall smoothness of your drive... (easy into and out of the corner) Still, that's not to say everyone has the same experience.

I don't see what benefit I would gain from posting this thread as you seem to suggest (What is trolling?)
I am just giving encouragement to my fellow GT5 lovers, that I have seen are getting a little bit peeved.
Lets just all be friends...? :boggled:
 
Bill G
That's your opinion.
I have used my friends steering wheel on this game and I use a DS3 at home...
My opinion is that using a wheel gives greater accuracy in your steering, therefore improving your consistency in hitting all the apex's and the overall smoothness of your drive... (easy into and out of the corner) Still, that's not to say everyone has the same experience.

I don't see what benefit I would gain from posting this thread as you seem to suggest (What is trolling?)
I am just giving encouragement to my fellow GT5 lovers, that I have seen are getting a little bit peeved.
Lets just all be friends...? :boggled:
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I agree with Bill. It is inherently harder with a controller than a wheel. If it was any easier driving with two drumsticks, then that is what we would be doing in reality. However last time I checked there was a wheel in my car. And I thought his post was encouraging.
 
BarronGeddon
Oh god would you stop missing the point every time you post. Someone was unnecessarily derogative. Some people took issue with it. It has nothing to do with people being het up becasue of the seasonals. It’s about personal manners.

If you generalise things any more I might have to shoot myself.

Sorry for the off-topic anyway. I'm out.
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U MAD BRO??

Can't say I found anything derogatory about his comment...

Bill G
I don't see what benefit I would gain from posting this thread as you seem to suggest (What is trolling?)
I am just giving encouragement to my fellow GT5 lovers, that I have seen are getting a little bit peeved.
Lets just all be friends...? :boggled:
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Don't feed the Trolls, Bill. Your intentions were good, stick by em, we're all friends here... :cool:

{Cy}
 
Because for example completing the X Challenge with a DS3 is comparable to doing it with a wheel. I have both. It's not. Your point is invalid.
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Besides the fact that this isn't a thread about the Vettel challenge or even using the x2010 making your point here irrelevant, seeing as how with the steering sensitivity updates people with DS3s can manage to get times up there with wheel users, yeah it is comparable results wise (I've gotten all gold on it myself having two golds and a silver even before the sensitivity update). After the update it became exceptionally easier to complete that challenge (albeit still difficult regardless of what you use). Obviously both devices function differently (I never said otherwise), but both can produce more or less the same results if you know how to use them. As such, for a person familiar with either device, knowing proper driving techniques is what is important, not the device you use. And questioning what a person means or why a person made a certain action is not an insult nor is saying something was easy necessarily indicative of inflating one's ego. (in fact if something is easy it wouldn't make sense to brag about doing it)

I don't see what benefit I would gain from posting this thread as you seem to suggest (What is trolling?)
I am just giving encouragement to my fellow GT5 lovers, that I have seen are getting a little bit peeved.
Lets just all be friends...?
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Positivity is always a plus so that's cool, not trying to make you feel bad or anything, just trying to understand where you're coming from. For me, I just don't think DS3 users need support any more or less than wheel users. Now that it has steering sensitivity. I definitely agree that using wheel v. controller provides a different experience, but not so much so that either is gimped. I feel they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Also, trolling is when people try to purposely annoy or mislead others.
 
canderson19
It is inherently harder with a controller than a wheel. If it was any easier driving with two drumsticks, then that is what we would be doing in reality. However last time I checked there was a wheel in my car.
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Reductio ad absurdum.
 
I actually do a little better with the ds3 than my dfgt. However i leveled to 40 with the ds3 so obviously im quite comfortable with it. But as much as i love using a wheel, i cant help but admit that I often turn better laps with the ds3 depending on the car. Its faster (lock to lock) and calculates steering angle for you (at max stick angle) which provided your fingers are steady enough, will always be faster than using your hands and feet with a wheel. Its the classic wheel vs controller debate though. To each thier own.

My only point is that if you dont have a wheel, fear not. I actually find these expert seasonals more challenging with a wheel. ;)
 
WonkyFonk
I use the DS3.

For the Sti I found the simplest of tunes dialed out the understeer:
- Add more rear brake bias (oversteer on turn in)
- Using the torque transfer thing (you can see im really technical), set it 65-70% to the rear (use the rear end to turn on acceleration)

ABS: 1, all other aids off, controller sensitivity 0 or 1 I think

I was able to run high 1:34 in practice which was more than enough to be consistently quick in the challenge.

Great challenge, I learnt alot
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Thats exactly what i did and ran low 35's with that - my co-driver though was doing low 34's with the same setup though so that proves how cack i am :P

I found the Fiat one the easiest though with just a basic tune of the intake and exhaust - had to reduce the power to comply of course, but the motor was revving much more freely and I'm sure it was worth an extra kph or 2.

The Lotus one was a bit frustrating as i dont like my car getting too loose - I had to put ballast in as i had already stage 1 lightened it, but with the ballast added as far forwards as possible it felt much better and putting the BB forward further tamed the rear waywardness and i was able to run mid 3's which catches the leader at the Bridge on the final lap.

really enjoyed these challenges though as you have to work for them.
 
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