To PD/Sony from one paying customer

[Ray52]

Dear Polyphony Digital and Sony,

I'm just one old guy who buys racing games, but I want you to know what attracts my attention and my dollars.

First, congrats on having the most amazingly good looking game there is. The photographic realism is fabulous. Like it a lot. The physics are mostly very good, too. Well, the cars in GT7 still require some fiddling before they are as drivable as they were in previous editions of Gran Turismo, but still okay.

The AI has some quirks, but I can understand how tough it is to put together AI that would please everyone. Pretty good job you do on that, but needs some work.

All I want is a few race cars and a lot of real world race tracks and custom races. I HATE tests, CE-type challenges, and hoops through which I must jump before I get my cars and tracks to play with. I'd happily pay 20 bucks more to get all the tracks and some race cars from the git-go, with no tests to plow through.

Online racing can be good, but usually stinks because the absence of fear allows people to drive way beyond what real life allows. No way to fix that. Human nature is what it is. Just give me custom races and plenty of choices for me to make in terms of race length, difficulty and all the rest of it and I will buy it.

But I'm not buying any more games that require a lot of tests and challenges to unlock the stuff I bought the game to enjoy.

 

[fastone371]

Dear Polyphony Digital and Sony,

I'm just one old guy who buys racing games, but I want you to know what attracts my attention and my dollars.

First, congrats on having the most amazingly good looking game there is. The photographic realism is fabulous. Like it a lot. The physics are mostly very good, too. Well, the cars in GT7 still require some fiddling before they are as drivable as they were in previous editions of Gran Turismo, but still okay.

The AI has some quirks, but I can understand how tough it is to put together AI that would please everyone. Pretty good job you do on that, but needs some work.

All I want is a few race cars and a lot of real world race tracks and custom races. I HATE tests, CE-type challenges, and hoops through which I must jump before I get my cars and tracks to play with. I'd happily pay 20 bucks more to get all the tracks and some race cars from the git-go, with no tests to plow through.

Online racing can be good, but usually stinks because the absence of fear allows people to drive way beyond what real life allows. No way to fix that. Human nature is what it is. Just give me custom races and plenty of choices for me to make in terms of race length, difficulty and all the rest of it and I will buy it.

But I'm not buying any more games that require a lot of tests and challenges to unlock the stuff I bought the game to enjoy.

Another old guy here too. I happen to like the license tests, circuit experiences, and missions. You may need to complete the license tests to compete in all of the races but I dont think you need to complete missions and C/E to gain access to any part of the game. I too would like to see more tracks. I understand why Polyphony cant just put more tracks in the game at the expense of a large variety of cars, everyone likes something different, it would probably narrow the fan base. I dont use the photo stuff in GT but I understand its importance because so many people like and use it. GT7 was different than GTS and some of us including me dont always like change but GT7 is rapidly growing on me and I think its great, PD will get everything worked out in time and add many cars, tracks, events, etc. From one old guy to another keep on enjoying the game and the racing.
P.S. if you dont like sport mode racing check out some of the racing leagues, the racing is great and very respectable.

 

[Voodoovaj]

@Ray52

Using the license test to unlock the driving levels (ergo tracks and cars) has been the central part of the game since the very first one.

 

[Grayfox]

I'm just one old guy who buys racing games, but I want you to know what attracts my attention and my dollars.

I too am an old fox, but here is my take on each point you made.

First, congrats on having the most amazingly good looking game there is. The photographic realism is fabulous. Like it a lot. The physics are mostly very good, too. Well, the cars in GT7 still require some fiddling before they are as drivable as they were in previous editions of Gran Turismo, but still okay.

Graphics are good yes, but the physics are not right.
Some cars suffer from lift off oversteer at city speeds, sorry but NO cars like the SW20 should not be tail happy at low speeds off throttle.

The AI has some quirks, but I can understand how tough it is to put together AI that would please everyone. Pretty good job you do on that, but needs some work.

Some quirks is putting it mildly
The AI does not move off the racing line, if ever.
The AI ignores blue flags unless on a straight.
The AI have passed me under yellow flag(NO OVERTAKING) and nothing happens to them, I do it by accident(AI braking heavily) and I get a penalty instantly.
The AI will spin you if you are on their racing line.
The AI have the weight of a damn train when you try to spin then, but it just requires a feather tap from them to spin you
The AI does this odd ball "Dive Bomb" on corner entry and yet can still somehow out accelerate you on corner exit despite the Fast in Slow Out being what is the norm.
The fact that the driving an RWD on slicks on a 50% wet track can out accelerate you a AWD on inters when side by side from a corner.
The AI sometimes do bone headed moves like not pitting for inters or wets when the road is wet.
The AI somehow can drive around corners faster on a 50% wet track with slicks when you with slicks have to putter around.
The AI will not move off the racing line, to the point where if you were to spin out and come to a stop on the racing line, they will just hit you like a train hits a truck suck on the railway crossing.
The only fun I have had with the AI is where I underpowered my car heavily and even then the style of driving the AI does is lackluster.
It really feels like they took GT4 AI code, just made minor tweaks so they react to flags but that is it.
The AI in GT have been an issue since Day 1 of GTs existence, now one can forgive GT1 for having bad AI as it was the first game in the series and GT2 just added to GT1s content, plus the PS1 would've had processing limitations
By GT5 and GT6 the AI should've really been improved as the PS3 would've had more than enough processing ability, GT7 has no real excuse the PS4/PS5 have huge processing ability to spare.

All I want is a few race cars and a lot of real world race tracks and custom races. I HATE tests, CE-type challenges, and hoops through which I must jump before I get my cars and tracks to play with. I'd happily pay 20 bucks more to get all the tracks and some race cars from the git-go, with no tests to plow through.

Sadly GT has always required you to do license tests before you could race.
GT7 kinda breaks that mold as you only need to do National B and National A, International B, International A and Super license are pointless.

Online racing can be good, but usually stinks because the absence of fear allows people to drive way beyond what real life allows. No way to fix that. Human nature is what it is. Just give me custom races and plenty of choices for me to make in terms of race length, difficulty and all the rest of it and I will buy it.

Absence of fear is not only an issue with realism, Lack of G-Forces does exist as well.
But these things cant be helped.

Issue with Online Racing is the penalty system.

But I'm not buying any more games that require a lot of tests and challenges to unlock the stuff I bought the game to enjoy.

I like many others would rather earn something with hard work than just starting the game with 1,000,000,000 credits buying Ferrari F50s and then going into Sunday cup where I am up against Mazda Demios and Mazda MX-5s to have an easy win.

 

[Raceface1959]

I'm a 62 year old, long time Turismo player. I read the early beefs that people had with the game and was a bit worried, but then I settled into my usual groove of pitting small cars against impossible odds. I play pretty much all of the popular racing games and don't mind the fact that none of the others have the hoops to crawl through that you mentioned. I've always tolerated the licences as a means to open up the game and only shoot for gold when I've got nothing else to do. I've competed on a daily basis in the Dirt Rally, Dirt Rally 2.0 and WRC games for many years and even though I can still hold my own in the global rankings, I'm starting to find that the level of focus and reaction needed is getting to be too much lol. GT7 is my way to take it down a notch and breathe. Just as fastone371 said, GT7 has really grown on me a lot too, despite the things it lacks.

 

[CBH]

Another old guy here too. I happen to like the license tests, circuit experiences, and missions. You may need to complete the license tests to compete in all of the races but I dont think you need to complete missions and C/E to gain access to any part of the game. I too would like to see more tracks. I understand why Polyphony cant just put more tracks in the game at the expense of a large variety of cars, everyone likes something different, it would probably narrow the fan base. I dont use the photo stuff in GT but I understand its importance because so many people like and use it. GT7 was different than GTS and some of us including me dont always like change but GT7 is rapidly growing on me and I think its great, PD will get everything worked out in time and add many cars, tracks, events, etc. From one old guy to another keep on enjoying the game and the racing.
P.S. if you dont like sport mode racing check out some of the racing leagues, the racing is great and very respectable.

I played all GT numbered games over the years and GT7 is definitely not growing on me, because a lot of thing are missing in this game, like online Time Trials, seasonal races like from GT6 and Drift events. These online events that I have just mention should have been in the game by now, and all the cars as well from other GT games.
I always liked GT games but not GT7 and it's the worst design game ever to come out, and I really hope that GT7 just crashes & burns because it is a pathetic game.

After playing and loving and enjoying all GT games over the years, I would never thought of saying really bad things about a GT game called GT7, because this game is heading in the wrong direction. If it was heading in the right direction there would not be so much hate for this game.

 

[fastone371]

I played all GT numbered games over the years and GT7 is definitely not growing on me, because a lot of thing are missing in this game, like online Time Trials, seasonal races like from GT6 and Drift events. These online events that I have just mention should have been in the game by now, and all the cars as well from other GT games.
I always liked GT games but not GT7 and it's the worst design game ever to come out, and I really hope that GT7 just crashes & burns because it is a pathetic game.

After playing and loving and enjoying all GT games over the years, I would never thought of saying really bad things about a GT game called GT7, because this game is heading in the wrong direction. If it was heading in the right direction there would not be so much hate for this game.

I have and still do own all of the GT series games (hardware too) I guess I don't miss the seasonal races (I am not sure what they were but I would like to try them) because when GT5&6 were popular I didn't have a lot of extra time to race, I still went thru the single player stuff and golded all tests but I never raced online before GTS.

 

[TRB1999]

“The AI has some quirks”

Oh yeah. Lots of quirks. Some more aggravating than others.

 

[Ray52]

I have a few Gr3 and Gr4 race cars. I don't bother much with road cars in the game, even though many of them would be great to own in real life.

I have my own way of finding parts of racing games that I can enjoy my way. Mostly, in Gran Turismo, I just race with my race cars in arcade and custom race modes. I enjoy getting through traffic. I make the races tough enough that wins are not easy and certainly not a sure thing. The offline version of arcade mode would be okay and good enough for me if the Gr3 car was something other than that Mazda thing that sounds like a dentist's drill. The Gr4 Porsche is okay.

I'm not interested in collecting cars so there's no grinding for credits by me. Just so I have enough for an oil change or a body refresher now and then is all I need.

Couple of laps of the Nordschlife and a half hour of the Daytona Road course or Laguna Seca in a 'Vette race car and I'm happy. The AI cars are just fine. Start well back in the pack and work past them clean and it's great to me.

 

[Magog]

It's a game not a straight sim. Games require progression and people were begging for a campaign after Sport. The tests and races are easy enough to beat anyway.

 

[Greasyfatman]

As long as we are dog piling….

Spring rate in Hz WTF

Something is wrong with suspension tuning the range is wrong or some thing. Can take 700lbs off the car in weight reduction and not get a different range of springs.

Fix online GT series lost me at sport. I bought the game and quit playing shortly after.

On line was where it was at for me in the past. Ran a 305 hp daily drives room. Now online is broken, can’t change tracks kick people or voice chat. Don’t care about the high end cars dam near impossible to drive.

Fix the online,pleae.
When I cash in roulette tickets I get disappointed and stop playing.
Engine swaps great Idea failed execution.

Oh and I would pay an extra 20$ for the 86 MR2 and the MR-S with the ability to K20 honda swap them.

 

[Ray52]

I tend to lump all the challenges together as one irritant. Menu, Circuit Experience, Missions, Licenses or whatever they are called are, to my tastes, time-consuming clutter. It's fine if they are there for those who want them. But if Sony wants to sell another game to this old boy, there can't be any challenges that delay my acquisition of the cars I want and all the available tracks.

Tests make sense before allowing people to race online -- in theory, anyhow, although my experience tells me it hasn't really made many people more fun to race with. But I've done my last online race. Offline races made the way I want them is all I want.

I haven't posted anything to argue or debate. Each person wants what he wants, and that's fine. I'm just a person who will potentially pay cash for a product I like. I'm here to tell Sony/Polyphony Digital what I will buy. I have little hope they will pay attention or ever offer for sale exactly what I want. But I've said it anyhow, for what it may be worth.

I didn't join a community or a cult. I just bought some products -- GT 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and Sport. Great graphics, good physics. But the content is lacking direction. Up and down from one edition of GT to the next. It is a mishmash. I'm going to play in GT Sport more than in GT7. It's simpler and easier to navigate around in, and the tuning is less complicated and time consuming. I don't want to test and tune much. I just want to get on with racing through traffic on tracks where I might see a real world race now and then. Past editions of GT had lots more real world tracks. They sell us less and less content of the kind I will pay for.

Best wishes to all, whether you agree with me or not. My message is where Sony can see it. I'm outta here.

 

[Pigems]

Don’t try iRacing then, the base game only gives you a hand full of cars are tracks, every single other car and track after that are individual purchases.