Toyota Esprit?

[RICHARDO]

Hello all , today when I decided to binge on some new cars I noticed something, the AE86 Levin and 97-98 Esprits have the same exact taillights! That got me to thinking, what other cars in GT4 share parts with other cars from different companies in the game? I know they're several Toyota/Lotus models, does anyone know any others?

 

[Master_Yoda]

Hello all , today when I decided to binge on some new cars I noticed something, the AE86 Levin and 97-98 Esprits have the same exact taillights! That got me to thinking, what other cars in GT4 share parts with other cars from different companies in the game? I know they're several Toyota/Lotus models, does anyone know any others?

the 89' 300ZX has the same tail lights as the 98' 300ZX

 

[RICHARDO]

the 89' 300ZX has the same tail lights as the 98' 300ZX

No, I mean two DIFFERENT companies.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

the 89' 300ZX has the same tail lights as the 98' 300ZX

They're the same body style.

 

[Jetboy.]

the 89' 300ZX has the same tail lights as the 98' 300ZX

Smartass.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Holden Monaro and Pontiac GTO.

 

[RICHARDO]

Holden Monaro and Pontiac GTO.

If you want to play that way Toyota Voltz and Pontiac Vibe, also the Lotus Elise and Vauxhall VX220.

 

[Master_Yoda]

well sorry, i'm just giving what i thoguht he wanted

 

[Emohawk]

Here's a close up of that taillight:

It's not in the game, but the Lotus Excel uses the same wheels as a MkII Supra. I think it's probably pretty rare that wholly independant companies share parts like this, it only happens with Lotus because they're so low volume. I can't really think of any other cases of minor parts like that.
So, I know you're not asking about rebadged cars, but how about engines? ex: Some Lotus Elise's use Toyota Celica engines. I think the Panoz GTR-1 uses a Chevrolet small block, but I'm not sure.

 

[RICHARDO]

Here's a close up of that taillight:

It's not in the game, but the Lotus Excel uses the same wheels as a MkII Supra. I think it's probably pretty rare that wholly independant companies share parts like this, it only happens with Lotus because they're so low volume. I can't really think of any other cases of minor parts like that.
So, I know you're not asking about rebadged cars, but how about engines? ex: Some Lotus Elise's use Toyota Celica engines. I think the Panoz GTR-1 uses a Chevrolet small block, but I'm not sure.

Engines I'm cool with. Yeah I know Lotus is the king of parts sharing. (besides GM ) And also, I thought Panoz is in bed with Ford? Or did they change?

 

[Emohawk]

Well, I looked it up;

Engine Elan Power Products V-8, 32-valve, 5.0 liter displacement. Power (est. 500 bhp, 450+ ft. lbs. Torque)

Never heard of 'em. Other sites say they use Ford engines (they just don't say in which models), so that's probably what EPP's unit is based on.

 

[Acro]

I live in Atlanta Ga and Panoz Motors are located in Brasselton Ga, they use Ford engines.

 

[Jay]

The Jensen Healey Interceptor III uses a Chrysler 440 V8 engine (which is also seen in the Plymouth Barracuda in GT4).

 

[RICHARDO]

I live in Atlanta Ga and Panoz Motors are located in Brasselton Ga, they use Ford engines.

Thanks for clearing that up! 👍 Also I just read an old issue of Road and Track where they reviewed the Esperante and they said it used a 302 H.P V8 SVT engine.

 

[THE ED3]

Ruf use porsche chassis'

The lancia stratos uses a ferrari dino engine...

Like you said before, the lotus elise uses the same 1jzgte as the newer celica.

theres the whole marcos and mini thing...

Lister uses jaguar motors.

Of course scion are nothing but rebadged toyotas...

 

[Jay]

Like you said before, the lotus elise uses the same 1jzgte as the newer celica.

Lmao They wish.


Your thinking of the 2ZZ-GE.

 

[Appie]

tough one

 

[THE ED3]

Lmao They wish.


Your thinking of the 2ZZ-GE.

Sorry about that. I'm not really up to date with toyota engine codes. they use so many darn numbers and letters... They cant call them something simple like B18 or what have you

 

[Alfaholic]

The Lotus / Toyota link goes back to the early '80s and you will find a lot of Toyota mechanical and body parts on most Lotus models from the Excel to the modern Elise.

In game:
TVR Griffith door mirrors are the same as Lotus Esprit V8 door mirrors. I believe these mirrors originated on the Renault Fuego. The McLaren F1 used them too, as did the original MVS Venturi
Elise Sport 190 (or any series 1 shape Elise) has interchangeable front and rear indicator units.
Alfa Duetto Spider and GTA share many interchangeable mechanical parts from the engine and transmission through to the live axle. They are both built on the Guilia platform. The SS has a similar engine block.
FWD Alfa GTV and Fiat Coupe share a floorpan.

Half in game:
Esprit HC tail lights come from Rover SD1, and its door handles come from the Morris Marina. It's gearbox was sourced from Renault, as was the box in the Europa. Elan's gearbox came from Ford. The Excel used the same SD1 tail lights as the Turbo Esprit, but mounted upside down.
TVR Griffith tail lights came from (I think) a Vauxhall Vectra, again mounted upside down.
New Beetle headlights are used on the Morgan Aero 8.
I'll bet the Cizeta's taillights can also be found on a mundane family car somewhere.
EDIT: Lotus Elises not using the Toyota engine (all Elises apart from the 111R, in other words) use a standard or company tuned Rover K-series engine.
Aston Martin's V12 as found in the Vanquish and DB9 can trace its roots to the Ford Mondeo V6.
Caterham's rear lights look like they come from a light truck

Not in game:
Original MVS Venturi inherited windscreen and door windows (perhaps the entire door) from the Fuego too.
The Aston Virage originally used tail lights sourced from somewhere else too, but I do not know where they came from.

 

[THE ED3]

another combo that isnt in the game was rovers use of hondas dohc zc in some of their cars between 1988 and 1996.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

You do realize that most modern cars share parts with other cars? Ex; The Chrysler Crossfire has the same base as the Merc SLK, Many Jags, Astons and Fords share basic parts and even engineparts and so on. Check it out, who owns what in the carworld? Thats a milliontree forest!

 

[Greycap]

As a compliment to the list of Alfaholic: Ford RS200 doors and windscreen are based on those of the Sierra.

 

[Eric.]

Ruf use porsche chassis'

Nope. Ruf only shares body panels with Porsche.

Edit: Not actually part sharing, but did you guys know that the McLaren F1's door opening style was inspired by the Toyota Sera that is in the game?

 

[Alfaholic]

Nope. Ruf only shares body panels with Porsche.

Edit: Not actually part sharing, but did you guys know that the McLaren F1's door opening style was inspired by the Toyota Sera that is in the game?

Actually, many of the body panels are changed. But Ruf does, or at least did, use a Porsche monocoque (i.e. chassis). The glass looks familiar too, as do the doors. And the engine block. So does much of the interior trim. In fact, the whole car looks pretty much like a Porsche, because that's exactly what it was before Ruf modified it.

 

[Eric.]

The following is an email from Ruf replying to a friend of mine at the Playstation forums. I've edited it to leave out my friend's name and email. It states that the Ruf vehicles (which I was referring to, not the tuned Porsches) use Porsche body panels (modified).




Matthew,

Thanks for your interest. There are two types of "RUF" vehicles. The first
is RUF VIN vehicles. RUF is an independent auto manufacturer. We have an
agreement with Porsche to acquire Porsche body shells. These are then hand
built to customer specifications. These vehicles have a RUF VIN not a
Porsche VIN. The unique thing about a RUF VIN vehicle is that you can order
a car that Porsche does not make, like an all wheel drive GT-3 or a rear
wheel drive convertible narrow body 996 turbo. RUF makes 20-30 of these
vehicles per year. The second type of "RUF" vehicle is an existing Porsche
modified to RUF specs. The most popular of these are Porsche turbos
upgraded with RUF engine conversions.

There is no corporate relationship between RUF and Porsche, though Mr. Ruf
is a close friend of the Porsche family.

I hope this clears things up. Please feel free to contact me if you have
additional questions.

Thanks

Wayne Corley
RUF Auto Centre
214/269-1571

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew XXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:18 PM
To: info@rufautocentre.com
Subject: In need of clarification

I'm not sure if you can help me with this issue but I will ask in an attempt
to get an answer. In a recently released video game, Gran Turismo 4 released
by Polyphony Digital and Sony, there are no Porsches. The absence of the
popular german automaker is due to the fact that another company hold the
exclusive license agreement with Porsche. Therefore that company, Electronic
Arts, is the only video game company authorized to reproduce Porsches in
their products. The game in question, Gran Turismo 4, does contain RUFs. I
visited your American website and from what I can gather, you produce cars
as well as modify current Porsches with RUF performance parts. My question
concerns the involvement and similarities of Porsche with RUF automobiles.
Are all RUFs essentially modified versions of Porsches, similar to the
relationship between Shelby (GT500) and Ford (Mustang)? Can anyone clearly
explain the difference(s) between RUFs and Porsches?

Any response would be appreciated.



Thank you,


Matthew XXXXXXX

 

[Alfaholic]

Thanks, this clears it up:

There are two types of "RUF" vehicles. The first is RUF VIN vehicles. RUF is an independent auto manufacturer. We have an agreement with Porsche to acquire Porsche body shells. These are then handbuilt to customer specifications.

Porsche body shell = monocoque chassis. Hence it has an original VIN number, because it's not produced from an already licensed vehicle. The Ruf email you presented does not mention body panels at all. A body shell is the actual chassis or monocoque which holds all the mechanical bits together. It usually includes the roof and pillars , and often rear fenders, but excludes the front fenders, bonnet and bootlid, and doors.

The second type of "RUF" vehicle is an existing Porsche modified to RUF specs.

So you can buy your RUF in two ways: 1: Give them your existing Porsche and ask them to upgrade it or 2: Ask them to get the bits they need from Porsche, including the chassis, and build you a car from unused parts.

Much like most other major league modifiers then

 

[Emohawk]

New Beetle headlights are used on the Morgan Aero 8.
I'll bet the Cizeta's taillights can also be found on a mundane family car somewhere.

Engines: The Morgan uses a BMW V8, and the McLaren F1, of course, has a BMW V12.
Venturi gets it's engines from Renault.
Koenigseggs have Ford engines.
Nobles use Ford Mondeo engnes.
Has anyone already said that Paganis use Mercedes' popular V12 block?
Engines are very expensive to make, most low volume supercar makers prefer to just buy them from somebody else.

And, thanks for reminding me of this, the Jaguar XJ220 has Ford Escort taillights.
I'm sure I read about the Cizeta's somewhere, but I can't recall where.

 

[SUROKIA]

cizetas are entirely made by cizeta in-house. on that subject i thought it was meant to be turbo too, cizeta V16T

and the hommel berlinette or what ever uses the B18? or b16 whatever it is the civic motor..

 

[Scaff]

And, thanks for reminding me of this, the Jaguar XJ220 has Ford Escort taillights.

On the subjects of engines and the Jaguar XJ220, the engine fitted to the production XJ220 was a modified version of the Metro 6R4 engine. As seen in the Austin-Rover group B rally car.

The engine design was then sold to TWR (Tom Walkenshaw Racing) and after some development work on the cambelts and plenums, the engine would make a re-appearance; initially in 3.5-litre form in the Group C Jaguar racing cars, but then in the back of the sensational 217mph Jaguar XJ220.

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Regards

Scaff

 

[Tornado]

The Aston Virage originally used tail lights sourced from somewhere else too, but I do not know where they came from.

The Aston Martin Virage used headlights from the Audi 100 and tailights from the VW Scirocco.
And heres another one:
Somewhat arguably in the game:
The Cizeta Moroder V16T was rumored to have used twin 3.0L Ferrari V8's sourced from the 308 Quattrovalvole. This Ferrari V8 was the (arguable) succesor to the Ferrari 2.4L V6 from the Dino, which was later transplanted into the Lancia Stratos.
Another one:
The R390 GT1 uses 300ZX headlights, as does the post-1999 Lamborghini Diablo.