Toyota FT-HS Hybrid: 0-60 in 4 seconds

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Yeah, it's just a concept car, but this one might find its way onto the highway. It's the 400hp Toyota FT-HS Hybrid Sports Concept, set to roll out on January 7 at the Detroit Auto Show. What really caught our eye was the Electric Tesla-like numbers of zero-to-60 in 4 seconds, and one big figure that's actually smaller than expected: Toyota is shooting for the mid-$30,000 price range.

Even though we like the Toyota Prius, it is kind of dorky looking. Maybe elements of this design could be incorporated into the next Prius. This is something we could live with.

Even if this hybrid concept doesn't show up on showroom floors any time soon, it might just be foreshadowing of what we might see with a possible Toyota Supra in the works.

This is a great trend in hybrids: electric motor as supercharger. – Charlie White

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Wether they launch it or keep it as a concept, it would be nice to see it on the roads so that Toyota has something which actually moves...
 
1. it reminds me way too much of the Nissan GTR proto,wich atleast looks half decent.

2. It's a Toyota. Bland,safe,and totally unispirational.even when it's going 180 MPH. And even when it's copying Ford's already outdated New Edge design(Since it reminds me of a poorly executed copy of Ford GT90 concept),with some GTR Proto features,as stated earlier.

3. Hybrid? Uh-uh,no thanks,Even when it has 400HP and cheapish pricetag.

4. Interior looks nice though.

*expects extreme flaming from Pink.*
 
I think Toyota should work on a hydrogen based 160MPH car or 170MPH car.
 
Pink is no longer if you mean "Pink_the_Floyd" ....He's now known as Ultrashot :rolleyes:

Anyway, I kinda agree and disagree with you at the same time.

It does not remind me of the GTR but rather a Civic :odd: Probably the rear or the sharp headlights which does it. It also reminds me of the Saab Aero-X. I believe this should be launched anyway, stash the Yaris or Auris for this, they are too boring and nobody really cares if they will come or not.

Another reason why they should launch it is because they let out a huge chance of something fast in their line up, the Toyota Volta:

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A beautiful concept IMO, 400 bhp as well, AWD, engine in the back but they didn't even consider launching it which is too bad. So the FT-HS could be something to replace something in the boring line-up. Cars like the Yaris, Auris and Aygo and cars that are quite pointless and they get owned by others anyway.

"It's a Toyota." Now this is quite extreme, don't you think? THeir current status should not decide which models to launch IMO.
 
Ultrashot
So the FT-HS could be something to replace something in the boring line-up. Cars like the Yaris, Auris and Aygo and cars that are quite pointless and they get owned by others anyway.
Do you really expect a true design triumph like the Yaris to be axed, right after a facelift? In favour of a concept hybrid that would be pretty expensive to make, and looks like what you'd get if you melted a current-gen Civic, the most recent design for the Audi R8 roadcar, and a 2007 Nissan GT-R together?
The Lexus division are taking pretty good care of Toyota's hybrid development at the moment, as the LS600h shows.

How is a car like this in any way relevant to the Yaris or the Aygo, which, now mentioned, is the winner of several COTY awards and the better of the three PSA-Toyota 'B-Zero' cars? I fail to see how any of the Toyota models you mentioned are 'quite pointless', or 'get owned by others'. Or even why they have been mentioned.

DE
 
Pink is no longer if you mean "Pink_the_Floyd" ....He's now known as Ultrashot :rolleyes:
For me,you'll always be Pink. I have an uncanny problem with spelling.(or maybe is this keyboard,or my beefy fingers,wko knows...) You wouldn't want me to acidentally call you Ultrashort,wouldn't you? :dunce:

Anyway,looking at the concept,especially the side pic,and then taking out the side pic of the GTR proto,there are many similarities. (Hint: behind the front wheels)

And I don't like the fact that toyota is playin it safe these days, they are putting in way too many nanies in their product range to be considered "driver cars"

just my another 2 euro cents on the subject.
 
Compare, if you will, the front half of the side glass to that of the 2007 GT-R. Almost identical springs to mind. The vents behind the front wheels are also quite clearly a stolen piece of design, as Midnight Runner points out. Then, looking at the final photo, the venting and arches towards the rear bear great similarity to the R8 roadcar's current design, as does the rear half of the side glass. This would be fine if Toyota were related in any way to Nissan or VAG, but they aren't - original design? I fear not.

DE
 
Forget it. give me a twin-turbo V-6 and a 6-speed with a clutch pedal.

and quit beating your fast cars with the ugly stick.

(by the way...Motor Trend loved it. I think i'm gonna let that subscription expire.)

One of the problems I see with Toyota is the fact that their North American branch is run by the Democratic Party. Or, at least, their ideals for the automobile.
 
The way the C-pillar is lifted up and away from the coupe is clearly inspired by the Ferrari 599. On the Ferrari it looks great, but here it looks like an aftertought, as it sits tightly on to the windows.

I don't like all those random openings found all over the car. The front-bumper, below the center stop lights, beneath the roof-bumps. It's like the car was designed with Veilside as advisors. Bleh.

There are interesting details on the body, but none of those can't be found on other cars. It has the profile of the Nissan GT-R, the hood of an RX-8, rear-lights from Honda Civic, (again) C-pillars from Ferrari 599.

Come on Toyota! You can do better than this!
 
If this is the future car styling, then I'm going to like future cars
 
Its a concept, so things will be pressed out, such as all those random holes in the body.

Again I support the use of an electric motor as a replacement to turbos. More torque, less lag and an attempt to use technology. People, please stop associating hybrids with the Democratic party and tree huggers.

So many of you seem caught up on bashing Toyota that you'll snub anything they come up with now. 0-60 in 4s... for under 40grand? Sounds like a fairly good deal to me.
 
0-60 under 4 secs is a dream, unless its geared real short and has susper sticky tires
 
Poverty, the ZO6 has very tall gears. VERY TALL. Yet it does it in under 4 seconds. Where the hell are you getting this idea that its just a dream? It wouldn't be hard to make that thing make over 700 ft/lbs of torque at like 1000 RPM.
 
The Z06 has loads of torque, super wide tyres and 500hp.

This car costs 40k has 400hp and is awd. It aint doing it sunshine.
 
The Z06 has loads of torque, super wide tyres and 500hp.

This car costs 40k has 400hp and is awd. It aint doing it sunshine.

Well, its a bit more complicated than that. Short axle, tall top-end gears, big horsepower, and big torque all play a role there.

...The Toyota may be able to go from 0-60 in less than four seconds, but that will be with a full charge on the battery, and it will only be good once... Looks like light-to-light drags on Woodward Ave is out of the question!
 
You don't seem to get it. Electric motors generate TONS of torque. Absolute gobs of it. The Telsa is all electric and manages it, so did the Tango (an older RWD electric car) and it certainly didn't have super wides.. I think 7 inch wheels wide max. Electrically driven AWD combined with some decent tires should suffice. Unless it weighs 4500 lbs. Which is unlikely.

Seriously, give me actual numbers as to why, and real reasons besides its cost, as to why it can't be that fast?

EDIT: YSSMAN, it could recharge at idle, and while you slam those brakes on to stop between lights, you'll recharge as well. Thanks for coming in on the side of Toyota here as well ;) Plus I think the batteries will last for more than one quick sprint, and they don't have to be at full charge to get full power out of the electric motors depending on the setup and required power for each motor.
 
But still,and electric motor is....how to say....zero-emotional.Too smooth.No "WROOOWROOOM WROOOM" feeling you get.

f I had to chose this and a 'Vette,I'd go for the 'Vette.

Might be more thirsty for the gas but atleast has "WROOOMWROOOM WROAR",if you know what I mean.
 
*cough* LEXUS LF-A *cough*
 
But still,and electric motor is....how to say....zero-emotional.Too smooth.No "WROOOWROOOM WROOOM" feeling you get.

f I had to chose this and a 'Vette,I'd go for the 'Vette.

Might be more thirsty for the gas but atleast has "WROOOMWROOOM WROAR",if you know what I mean.

Exactly. Actually, I'd buy an old MGB over this. So what if you outrun me? I'm having more fun.
 
You don't seem to get it. Electric motors generate TONS of torque. Absolute gobs of it. The Telsa is all electric and manages it, so did the Tango (an older RWD electric car) and it certainly didn't have super wides.. I think 7 inch wheels wide max. Electrically driven AWD combined with some decent tires should suffice. Unless it weighs 4500 lbs. Which is unlikely.

Seriously, give me actual numbers as to why, and real reasons besides its cost, as to why it can't be that fast?

EDIT: YSSMAN, it could recharge at idle, and while you slam those brakes on to stop between lights, you'll recharge as well. Thanks for coming in on the side of Toyota here as well ;) Plus I think the batteries will last for more than one quick sprint, and they don't have to be at full charge to get full power out of the electric motors depending on the setup and required power for each motor.



The telsa is super lightweight. This toyota thing wont be. Hybrids suck as mentioned anyway.
 
2500 lbs is not super light weight for a car like that, sorry. And that is how much the Tesla weighs. You just keep digging for a reason to disagree with this actually being possible.

Hybrids have been banned from several forms of racing. Purpose built ones that is. Because they are fast.

There is more to a car than displacement. Please realize this. Sports cars use to embody new technology, but everyone here seems to think they need a V8 engine, 7 liters of displacement, and old fashioned this and that. Whether its in fabrication or implementation, sports cars are suppose to use new technology.

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And what will you people do when electric cars are the thing? Hydrogen may come around, but electricity is currently everywhere and lot easier to build an infrastructure for. Pay forty something dollars at the pump, per gallon? As much as you hate it, the world changes. And cars do with it.
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If anything, it would seem that you have a somewhat skewed version of what sports cars are all about.

...If anything, sports cars embody everything that a car should be, but simply cannot because of rational thinking. They are supposed to be fun to drive, they are supposed to invoke feelings from the soul, they are supposed to scare the neighbors, destroy the Earth, burn rubber across acres of pavement, get poor MPG, etc. That is all the fun in having a car like that...

If we all ran around in Toyota's little "Utopiamobiles" like the Prius and the FT-HS, the world would be a very boring place indeed. They aren't anything pretty to look at, not at all invigorating to drive, and certainly a crime against humanity when it comes to any die-hard automotive enthusiast.

New technology is overrated, plain and simple. This is why people still build Cobras and Sevens, this is why the Corvette and Viper remain so successful. There isn't any reason to do something completely different if there isn't any reason to do it to begin with... When it works, it works. This is why we see Ultima GTRs and Mosler MT900s powered by small-block Chevys, why so many race cars use Ford 9" rear-ends, why the Turbo 400 is still the standard in automatics, why the AJV8 design continues on, etc.

What it comes down to is that we aren't going to sacrifice our love for automobiles in their truest form because Toyota says so. We want Earth-destroying fun whenever possible, and we will continue to do so until the "bad stuff" runs out. Considering that the Saudis still say we have 150+ years of fuel left, I take comfort in knowing that my gasoline-powered, 8 MPG, 20ft burnout laying Chevrolet Camaro can still run for years and years, and I can still give the finger to the douche bag next to me in the Prius while leaving him in a cloud of smoke...

...Its the American thing to do...
 
The bottom line is that sports and super cars are supposed to push the envelope on performance and driving enjoyment, however that may be done. If that is done by an 8-liter engine with 16 cylinders getting 10 mpg, fine. If performance is achieved by a wieght of 1800 pounds, great. If your car goes fast because the engine achives peak power at 8500 rpm, woop dee doo. If you have an electric motor that adds power, just as well.

You see, as long as this Toyota performs, it will be abducted into the sports car world. If not, consider it a failure. The sale of the car will reflect that. The car won't be sold for the same reasons as the Prius. Burning away from a Prius may be fun, but keep in mind that a Prius is in no way intended to be fast.

Just ask Wikipedia:
A sports car is an automobile designed for performance driving.
A supercar is a term used for a sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to its contemporary sports cars.
You see, these cars are based on performance, not destroying. Destroying is a byproduct.
 
I kinda agree with philly. We could argue all day about what sports car should be. When I was a kid, I read that drivers from different countries have unique take on what sports cars are. I still remember that the article or whatever said about the Brits' idea of a sports car. Open top and two seats,etc. Back then, I thought they were nuts. :lol:

Back on topic, didn't we already have a thread about this car? I think the car's cool, but I'm also skeptical of the car's price and 0-60 figure. I'll believe it when I see it. This thread has better pictures and although it looks like a car from "Minority Report" or something, I think it's pretty cool looking.
 
YSSMAN
If anything, it would seem that you have a somewhat skewed version of what sports cars are all about.

...If anything, sports cars embody everything that a car should be, but simply cannot because of rational thinking. They are supposed to be fun to drive, they are supposed to invoke feelings from the soul, they are supposed to scare the neighbors, destroy the Earth, burn rubber across acres of pavement, get poor MPG, etc. That is all the fun in having a car like that...

Sounds like you have sports car and muscle car confused. Last I checked, my MR2 was a sports car. Yet it gets decent MPG depending on how I drive it. In the 30's when I actually keep it below the VVT point. It uses a silky smooth revving 20V 4 banger. And its a blast drive, pure and simply. Its got a computer, and a "fancy" engine that actually uses modern technology, but its hardly soul less.

YSSMAN
If we all ran around in Toyota's little "Utopiamobiles" like the Prius and the FT-HS, the world would be a very boring place indeed. They aren't anything pretty to look at, not at all invigorating to drive, and certainly a crime against humanity when it comes to any die-hard automotive enthusiast.

I don't think everyone should drive a Prius or what not. However, the American companies still think getting over 30 MPG in the compact car is a big deal. I see these big stickers on the sides of Chevy dealers with something like 33MPG on the side of a Cobalt with exclamation points and all... and I just laugh. I drive my Corolla less than friendly, and get over 35 with it. And I'm fairly certain my Corolla is gonna last longer as well.

YSSMAN
New technology is overrated, plain and simple. This is why people still build Cobras and Sevens, this is why the Corvette and Viper remain so successful. There isn't any reason to do something completely different if there isn't any reason to do it to begin with... When it works, it works. This is why we see Ultima GTRs and Mosler MT900s powered by small-block Chevys, why so many race cars use Ford 9" rear-ends, why the Turbo 400 is still the standard in automatics, why the AJV8 design continues on, etc.

I respect you, but this is just a tad too much. You almost sound like the Camaro guys I deal with that claim my MR2 will never break 14s on the 1/4 mile (Which it already does) and so on. Its these techonolgy that will let me build an engine under 100 Cubic inches that will put me in the 12s range on the 1/4, if not the 11s, with a couple of grand invested in the engine. Its these technology that lets me out corner and out break the guy in the Camaro.

Hell, while we are at, lets use CRT monitors again, 486's, and VHS again, along with other out dated things. They did the job good enough I'd say. So why not use them still instead of these new fangled DVDs, or whats this here Blu-Ray stuff?

Realize that someone has to try new technology before anyone else will follow suit. Toyota and Honda started with Hybrid cars, now the Americans are trying to get in on it (or they had plans at least). Just whoever goes first gets fingers pointed at for trying something different.

YSSMAN
What it comes down to is that we aren't going to sacrifice our love for automobiles in their truest form because Toyota says so. We want Earth-destroying fun whenever possible, and we will continue to do so until the "bad stuff" runs out. Considering that the Saudis still say we have 150+ years of fuel left, I take comfort in knowing that my gasoline-powered, 8 MPG, 20ft burnout laying Chevrolet Camaro can still run for years and years, and I can still give the finger to the douche bag next to me in the Prius while leaving him in a cloud of smoke...

...Its the American thing to do...

And thats why the American car companies sales continue to slide. Its also why we have the most traffic fatalities per whatever you want to compare to each year. Its also why the American cars have the nasty rep of being unreliable, and why they depreciate faster in value.

Doing the "American" thing is just getting everyone else to stare in shock and then shake their heads. You have this attitude of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but more along the lines of don't mess with it at all. Like Philly pointed out, sports cars are about performance. Regardless of how you get it. Typically the best performance will come from the newest technology.

But then again, we have completely different thoughts on what a sports car is. The Tesla is a brilliant idea, although nothing new to me, as I have been racing with a guy that builds a faster electric car, and has been doing so for years now. The Elise is probably the purest sports car I can think of. High revving DOHC motor, lightweight, and using some advanced design methods. It lakes fancy computers (unless you get the package for the driving aids).

You (YSSMAN) seem to think you need at least a V8, 5 liters of displacement, and pushrods to be a sports car. Its a rather stark difference from my view.

But I respect the Corvette as a performance machine, and even grudgingly admit the Viper has some merits. Just the Viper needs a different engine IMO. However, you seem to think that anything that doesn't follow Detriot logic is not worth the effort.

Toyota use to make fun cars, and not that long ago (the MR2 Spyder). They can do it again, they are just exploring something new. If it flops, you'll be happy because Toyota screws up again in your mind. If it works out, you can still get your V8 push rod from GM.
 
...If anything, sports cars embody everything that a car should be, but simply cannot because of rational thinking.

One could argue that what cars should be is exactly what they were created for; transportation devices. I don't think the early guys had visions of racing and gross displays of power in their heads, it was all about shortening the travel time.

Funnily enough, one of the most interesting concepts to come from Chevy in the past five years, at least for me, was the Autonomy concept. A fuel-cell skateboard-like thing that could take any range of bodies that the owner felt like placing on top? Awesome. What, it's mission statement doesn't include pissing off other road users? Oh, lame!

I love sports cars just as much as everyone else here, but I hope it's apparent that nearly all the reasoning and excuses about why sports cars are okay and should be saved, can also be applied to SUV's. Want to talk about your right to drive a sports car? Then keep your mouth shut when you're stuck behind the next 3-tonne SUV.

Not to mention that all of our current beloved names will eventually be without gasoline engines, provided they keep the nameplates. A hydrogen-powered Corvette? It could happen.

*ahem*

Anyways, I like the concept, but given Toyota's recent trends, I doubt it'd be neither an exciting drive, nor as cheap as they hope.
 
I am in total agreement with Azuremen. I have a lot of respect for you Brad, but I can't see how you can dismiss this from being a sports car because it doesn't destroy the earth, and you have to fill it up with $100 of petrol every trip.

New technology needs to be embraced or you'll never see an improvement, ever. Hypothetically, even given the time frame of 150 years of oil left, then what? If everyone has the same thought line as yourself, then we're still going to be in the ****ter when no one can power their 8.0L Pushrod V8s.

I also can't see how people don't think this can be an exciting drive. 400HP and 4WD, think of it as a boosted WRX. If instead of 'Hybrid' it said 'Turbo' then you would be throwing parties. Turbos are great and all, but when it comes to choosing an engine that has little power down low, then hits you with power once the lag comes off, and to keep the power you have to be revving the absolute **** out of it to keep the revs up. Or a hybrid drive that gives you amazing amounts of torque from 0 rpm - Rev Limit, so always have power on tap, is probably quiet to silent when you're not trying to be Michael Schumacher, and doesn't use 4 billion litres of fuel every hour.
 
Very true Casio, that's a more positive way of looking at it 👍
 
ON electric cars...

Han anyone thought about what might happen to the power grid if everyone powered their cars by electricity? Besides, if we get anywhere near there, we're gonna have to make some major investments in Nuclear technology...Coal smoke is the number one cause of fallout radiation, thanks to radioactive isotopes IN THE COAL.

So, want to transfer one form of pollution to another?
 
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