Toyota GT 86 Too Slow?

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In Gran Turismo 5 , the GT 86 was my go-to car for any online races ranging from 400 to 500 pp. Now in GT 6, while it still handles great, it's so slow in a straight line that its great handling isn't enough to keep it out of last place. Is anyone else experiencing this? Could the performance points calculator be broken (again)? Whether I run it in a 450 pp room or 550 pp room or anything in between, it drives way slower than any other car on track.
 
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Do you have the flat floor installed? It produces superfluous grip, consumes PP that are better spent else where and cuts top speed by a huge chunk.
 
Third Reign
Do you have the flat floor installed? It produces superfluous grip, consumes PP that are better spent else where and cuts top speed by a huge chunk.
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Does the flat floor actually make a difference or is it just purely cosmetic?
 
G_T_R
What? Im not sure i understand what you just said there. :odd:
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The GT86 handles pretty darn good on its own, so it does not need the extra grip that the flat floor produces. Due to the extra down force it produces, top speed suffers, just like high settings on the rear wing. Adding the diffuser also increases PP. On some cars it is a nice tool to get the car more planted, the GT86 isn't one that needs it. I would rather spent the PP it consumes on more power.
 
Third Reign
Do you have the flat floor installed? It produces superfluous grip, consumes PP that are better spent else where and cuts top speed by a huge chunk.
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Wow you were right! I just took it off and lost 26 performance points. I wish they'd tell you that these add-ons would add performance points like they did in GT5.

Speaking of withholding useful info, does anyone else think the UI is actually worse than GT5? I think the main menu is better, but the setup and online menus took a HUGE step backwards. It takes so much longer to go through everything in the setup, which is a pain when I'm rushing to tune my car before an online race starts. It also doesn't tell me the restrictions on the room unless I start digging through the room settings menu, when most (if not all) restrictions used to be easier to see in GT5.
 
The GT86 isn't supposed to be a fast car. It was only made to put a smile on your face.
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Also finding the 86 to be slow for its pp (no flat floors). I've been working on tuning cars for 525pp online races. I save my ghosts for best time /car combination on a repeated track and use that as a benchmark for where I want a car to be at the same pp level. So far I've been able to keep my times within a 2 second window with the exception of my 86"racing"'13. Its times are consistantly off by close to 5 seconds.

I've also noticed that adding ANY camber to this car ruins the grip levels. It literally has to be run at 0 or it turns into a pig. I haven't experienced this effect with any other car.

Only other car have had real trouble with is the supra, but its still within my 2 second window as long as I treat her right.
 
The rear wheels dont seem to have enough traction. They spin easily but the car lacks low end power and accelerates slowly. (stock rims)
 
I find mine to be okay. Just did the Night Racers event against 500pp competitors in Bathurst and I won by 2 seconds. Mine has nothing more than weight reduction and some minor power upgrades that bring it up to 250HP. I couldn't do more than 180 km/h in the uphill straight, and that made the Infinity G35 catch up on me pretty quick, but in the turns, it couldn't keep with me at all. At the back straight I only did like 220. What I would expect from this car. I don't know the PP rate because I rarely care or pay attention to this, but I assume it's around the 430 range.

Again, it's what I would expect from a little NA 4 cylinder car with RWD. It's not a super car or a high performance sports car. It's a daily driver with the soul of a true sports cars, and it's made to handle that way.

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The rear wheels dont seem to have enough traction. They spin easily but the car lacks low end power and accelerates slowly. (stock rims)
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Strange. I find this car much more grippy than what it was in GT5. Then again, my LSD setting in GT6 are different from what I used to set them up before, and they usually kill all wheelspin.
 
Thinking its just not cut out for 525 pp racing. Gonna start a new garage of 450pp tuned cars and see how it stacks up there. It handles nicely and is fun to drive. Just slow as molasses.
 
sid_chiclana
One of the most versatile cars in the game and TBH, one of the best :D
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Curious as to what kind of times you can manage with it on TwinRing Motegi Road course? Perhaps I'm just not getting the most out of it or perhaps we just have a different opinion on what "good" performance is. :)

As for the spinning, I'm refering to maxed out HP with high rpm turbo. Its not wild or uncontrollable, just easy to spin the tires if you down shift and floor it in second gear. Tuned to 450 pp they dont spin at all.
 
The GT86 is pretty slow in real life. The engine is the only aspect of the car that I don't like, they really need to bring out a turbocharged version but I'm still waiting...
 
I find all the base versions of this car (and the Gazoo cars) to be painfully slow and boring in GT6. I've driven a BRZ several times and they're wicked fun, not super fast but they make a lot of noise and have a stiff ride so you're just smiling the whole time and you feel like you're fast. In GT6 it's so slow and boring that you don't even feel like you're doing anything. It's very evident in that split video on the news page, the real life vid is hectic and crazy and looks like it's on the very edge of control, the GT6 video looks like they're driving a golf cart. Thank goodness the GT300 BRZ is freaking awesome.
 
The Toyota 86 Concept 09 is MUCH faster (in straightline). Try it out. Then in the corners its up to you to find the setup and make the car go fast in there.
 
BrandonW77
I find all the base versions of this car (and the Gazoo cars) to be painfully slow and boring in GT6. I've driven a BRZ several times and they're wicked fun, not super fast but they make a lot of noise and have a stiff ride so you're just smiling the whole time and you feel like you're fast. In GT6 it's so slow and boring that you don't even feel like you're doing anything. It's very evident in that split video on the news page, the real life vid is hectic and crazy and looks like it's on the very edge of control, the GT6 video looks like they're driving a golf cart. Thank goodness the GT300 BRZ is freaking awesome.
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It's boring because your sitting in a chair, stationary, with fingers on a controller controlling a computer that displays pictures that flash on a screen to make it look like its moving on a virtual world. Of course it'll be more fun IRL because you feel all the G-forces.
 
ProjectWHaT
It's boring because your sitting in a chair, stationary, with fingers on a controller controlling a computer that displays pictures that flash on a screen to make it look like its moving on a virtual world. Of course it'll be more fun IRL because you feel all the G-forces.
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I understand that, I wasn't really trying to make that comparison and apologize if it came across that way. A lot of cars in the game do give excitement and some sense of speed though and the Toyobaru's just feel so bland. The fact that they're such an exciting car in real life just makes it a bit disappointing.
 
I've tuned the BRZ to 450PP on SH tires and it's a very competitive car, outside of the Elise/NSX type cars. Great handling, easy to drive, slightly down on top speed but more than makes up for it in the corners. In online racing the lack of top speed is a problem because most passing is on straights and the cornering advantage isn't only a tenth or two per corner and not enough to make a pass attempt. It's a fast car, but may not be a great car for racing.
 
Tuned it is a good car, it's just the stock form I find a bit bland. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be good for some spec racing though. 👍
 
The 86 was NOT built to be fast. It was built to be fun and slide-y at speeds normal people can handle. It's slow but it's fun, and it represents its real life counterpart pretty well if you ask me :)
 
I had the chance to do a few races (at Nordschleife) after uninstalling the flat floor. It now performs more or less exactly like it did in GT5 when I got the setup perfect. It was no rocket in GT5 either, but I could still win races even at the Nordschleife if I had at lead of at least a few seconds going onto the long straight before the finish line. It was by far the best handling street car I encountered in the game. In GT6, I somehow got beat by a FWD Celica that caught me in the section between the carousel and the back straight (where my car should've been in its prime, and which is also my favorite part of the track), but that may have been just because I was a little timid in that section since we were running SH tires and it was my first time on them in an online race.
 
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Most cars are not made to go fast and win races. The 86 GT is one of those. However it's fast on its own :p
 

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