Toyota Issues Ultimatum: Get Better or Get Out

True. But as of lately, it's all getting a bit of:

"Hey, you know who sucks?"
"Uhhh, Toyota?"
"Correct! You know what car sucks?"
"The Toyota?"
"Correct as well! You know who have crappy drivers?"
"uhhhhh...Mid...No wait, Toyota?"
"Totally correct!"


And that's what I'm getting tired of...
Shouldn't you have said "Toyotally correct!" :lol:
 
If Toyota left, the F1 world would be a duller place. Just.
 
What is disappointing is how they fell behind as the season progressed and that they weren’t able to use the solid results of 2005 to spring-board them onto better things for 2006.

I'm still wondering how they weren't able to keep the car updated enough throughout the season, or were the opponents updating their cars faster?

Toyota have everything to do well - they just won't do it. Even disregarding the (rumored) slight horsepower-deficient, they just lack pace in every way - and in such a team, it takes a serious development driver to push things forward, and a seriously-quick driver to actually bring the results. And, of course, a team of efficient aerodynamicists and engineers, a single, powerful boss - and some luck.

At least they'll be using Williams expertise next season. Hope for them?



Beautiful, fast, successful - and obsolete. Rules were changed, new classes formed, and the GT-One because ineffective when the GT1 class closed. They obviously could've adapted it, or built something conforming to the new rules - but the GT-One, the original TS020, couldn't be raced. It also didn't win.

So very true on the first bit, I say get rid of the commitee, get a good teamboss in there, and Toyota's right there with BMW, but why can't Toyota realize this?

On the GT-One, even though classes were changed, I still think Toyota would be able to kick Audi's ass, even in the LMP class. Look at 1998, Toyota came with that new closed cockpit racer, and against everyone's expectations, Toyota led the race most of the hours of the race, too bad they had such gearbox and transmission problems...But then again, the man that led the Toyota Racing team in 1998 and 1999 was an absolute genius, he designed the car after all, why not recruiting that guy for the F1?

Shouldn't you have said "Toyotally correct!" :lol:

:grumpy:
 
Toyota is running into the same problems Ford ran into when they ran their Jaguar team into F1 from 2000-2004, they are so huge but so unfocused on Grand Prix racing. Too much committee, no ruthless, smart, nor experienced strongman at the helm. It just doesn't work.

I think we tend to pick on Toyota, Honda, and Ford (Jaguar) because they are large companies that you'd imagine to do well in a sport that churns through hundreds of millions of dollars yearly. Instead, it makes them look inept and clueless at what F1 racing is all about.

I tend to think if it were TVR, Tommy Kaira, Ariel, Saleen, Mosler, et al running an F1 team and taking a Minardi or Osella-like place in F1, it would probably be a bit more "forgivable" because they're smaller companies with an enthusiast bent.

If Toyota left, the F1 world would be a duller place. Just.
I disagree, they'd probably be forgotten rather quickly, as they left almost no unique thumbprint on the sport. What did they innovate? Who drove for them? There's not much legend, or scandal, or oddity, no wins or titles to go with the Toyota name in F1.

Toyota isn't run by bumbling idiots, and they do have a professional Grand Prix racing team, with likely no expense spared. They lack reliablity, consistency, and outright speed. If they want a title, or even get up onto the sharp end of the grid and podiums on a regular basis, they need to really innovate to muscle their way to the front. They need real star drivers, too...but you don't convince stars to come to your team when you've never done better than 3rd place after 6 years. Toyota was impressive through 2005, but the last two years have been really disappointing, a downward turn in results, rarely shining except when faster cars fell out.

Jarno Trulli is no longer the speed demon he was; the Renault was a good car in 2004, and he took a sort of lucky win. He was impressive from his debut to the early-2000s, but I don't imagine he has the outright speed of the top guys on a week-to-week basis, now that he's in his 12th year in the sport. If Timo Glock doesn't outrun him, he's not going to last the season, although to be fair he had crap machinery for his 4 races in the Jordan back in 2004, so it's hard to say.

Honda, on the other hand, had a good 2004, a "meh" 2005, a better 2006, and a dreadful 2007. Honda know this is an important year for them as well.
 
I tend to think if it were TVR, Tommy Kaira, Ariel, Saleen, Mosler, Spyker, et al running an F1 team and taking a Minardi or Osella-like place in F1, it would probably be a bit more "forgivable" because they're smaller companies with an enthusiast bent.

You forgot this year's backmarker.

I disagree, they'd probably be forgotten rather quickly, as they left almost no unique thumbprint on the sport. What did they innovate? Who drove for them? There's not much legend, or scandal, or oddity, no wins or titles to go with the Toyota name in F1.

Remember the 'Just' part. Because a 20 car grid is still less interesting than a 22-car grid ;)
 
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