Toyota MR2 VS. Pontiac Fiero

MR2 VS. Fiero

  • fiero [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/gpgt89/fiero.jpg[/IMG]

    Votes: 15 34.9%
  • MR2 [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/gpgt89/mr2.jpg[/IMG]

    Votes: 28 65.1%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Both. They do things differently.

The MR2 is a go cart on rails but slow minus the 2nd gen Turbo.

The Fiero is not quite as good at anything stock except for the late model GT's with the manual transmission.

The Fiero however wins because of the massive aftermarket and available engine swaps.
 
MR2. As someone for whom Fieros have never really been available (though a few have been imported), it means absolutely nothing to me as a car. Wheras if I look hard enough, I can pick up an MR2 of that vintage for around £500, and it will work beautifully, if not in the best cosmetic condition.

Indeed, I could quite easily pick up an SW20 for about £800 too. Absolutely amazing value for such a good looking car.
 
No-vote for me. I'd like to, but this is gonna become Japanese vs US Flame Fest.
 
Fiero. Totally. Especially the late-model GT versions. When GM finally got it right, they killed it.
 
I can see what you mean, but that doesn't mean you can't vote and express your opinion.

Eh, I cant' really choose...For some reason, neither really appeals to me right now. I'm kind of grooving of the FR coupes of the era right now...AE86, 200SX, that sort of thing.
 
Fiero platform is notable for its versatility (read: kit cars), but MR2 is simply brilliant to drive. My friend's dad bought one in the '80s, still drives it to work every day.
 
The MR2 for the sole reason that I haven't heard of a single occasion of an MR2 spontaneously combusting unlike another 80's sports car I know of.
 
Considering I've owned two first gen MR2s, and watched many Fieros struggle at auto-x, I have to go with the Toyota.

That, and they actually are half reliable.
 
MR2, naturally. it doesn't lit itself in fire to end it's miserable existence.

Ok for the LAST TIME there were only a small handful of one particular year and particular trim level that "caught fire" and that was because the owners did not maintain the cars correctly.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3432816&postcount=13

The fact is the "fire" thing was 0.07% of all Fieros built. And only I4 1984 models were effected. The fact that people associate the whole 350,000+ cars as "fire hazards" makes me sick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero#Engine_fire_reputation

The Associated Press quoted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as saying it had "...received 148 complaints regarding Pontiac Fieros catching fire including reports of six injuries.... Low levels of engine oil may cause a connecting rod to break, allowing oil to escape and come into contact with engine parts. The oil would catch fire when it contacted the exhaust manifold or hot exhaust components.... David Hudgens, a GM spokesman in Detroit... said, 'If you ran out of oil, and then that coupled with some aggressive driving, perhaps, and maybe not changing the oil very often, you end up with a broken rod, and that's where the connecting rod came in; it is still the owner's responsibility to check the oil.' "[5]

The Pontiac division claimed in a 1988 press release that "GM tests have shown that running these 1984 cars with low engine oil level can cause connecting rod failure which may lead to an engine compartment fire.... Pontiac is aware of 260 fires attributable to the condition, along with ten reported minor injuries."[6]

The larger of the two reported numbers of cars with fires (260) amounts to 0.07% of Fieros produced. The fires affected the 2.5 L engine almost exclusively, and mostly 1984 models (although there may have been additional occurrences after the above reports were published).

There are several possible contributors to Fiero engines catching fire. The primary cause is thought to be a batch of poorly cast connecting rods, produced in GM's Saginaw plant, which failed when the oil level became too low. One theory is that the sports car styling attracted buyers who would drive the car hard, most notably by over-revving the engine. Another factor was the incorrectly listed three-quart oil capacity; the actual oil capacity was 4.5 quarts, but a misprint on dipsticks and in the owner's manuals led to owners using only three quarts, perhaps resulting in a leaky valve cover gasket[clarification needed] which would allow the oil level to decline over time to a dangerously low level. If the proper oil level was not maintained, the bearings could seize, snapping the porous castings of the connecting rods. This could result in a hole being punched in the engine block, allowing oil to spray onto hot exhaust components where it could ignite.

Alternatively, some fires may have been due to the engine wiring harness being located in the center of the engine bay above the exhaust manifold, where the heat could possibly melt and ignite the wiring. The 1984 model had a magnesium grille over this area. In later models, this was improved to some degree with better heat shielding wrapped around the wiring harness.

A third cause might be cracks in the engine block from overtightenening of the head bolts. Some engines developed cracks in the block that would leak coolant and/or oil, sometimes accompanied by broken head bolts directly above the crack. The leak would spray coolant or oil, the latter resulting in fire if sprayed onto the hot catalytic converter or exhaust manifold at the front of the engine compartment.

The fact is if you check and or monitor your oil level regularly like you should on a sports car you wouldn't of had this issue.
 
Still something. I know a lot of guys who've put rods through their blocks without a resultant engine fire...

Tough choice... the MR2 is more of a driver's car... but without the Fiero, where would the Lamborghini-clone cottage industry be, now?... wait... I hate Lambo clones... :lol:
 
Tough choice... the MR2 is more of a driver's car... but without the Fiero, where would the Lamborghini-clone cottage industry be, now?... wait... I hate Lambo clones... :lol:

Wait a minute...


Toyota MR2 = Ferrari Clone

Pontiac Fiero = Lamborghini Clone (what you see in the video is actually a Pontiac Fiero, not a real Countach)


I think we've got ourselves a legitimate rivalry here. :trouble:
 
I like the stretched Fiero body's with the F355 kits on them. The size and proportions are almost identical. :D
 
What fools actually voted for that mid-engined Cavalier? I remember beating a late-model V6 one in my old Del Sol...at everything. The Fiero was so bad I didn't even laugh.

Considering I've owned two first gen MR2s, and watched many Fieros struggle at auto-x, I have to go with the Toyota.

That, and they actually are half reliable.
QFT.
 
JCE
I like the stretched Fiero body's with the F355 kits on them. The size and proportions are almost identical. :D

You need your eyes checking...

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MR2 for me but I did like that last model of the Fiero. It didn't hang around long enough for the aftemarket tuners to get thier hands on it to really develope it's full potential or even the manufacturer. They just gave up on it too bad. Pretty rare for me to see one on the road nowadays. It might even turn out to be a cult collector.
 
Tis is the comparo between the Formula and the Supercharged First Gen. Personally I'm in more respect of the normally aspirated, more livable car. Pity it wasn't one of the more rare Fiero GT's. The MR2 would have had its hand a little more full.

In this video (if you chose not to watch), the MR2 is faster, and handles better, but the limits come much sharper and is not intended for the faint of heart.





Cheers,
Jetboy
 
JCE
I said the stretched versions. That is not a stretched one. ;)

I read that after I posted the pic, but I did subsequently find pics of stretched ones and they're still not great. The body looks too tall and a little too short still, and the wheels don't sit in the arches very well. But I'm picky on proportions...
 
which do you like?

Actually, both.

MR2: light, nimble, great aftermarket support. Sometimes with Japanese-car rust issues.

Fiero: Northstar V8 or supercharged 3.8 will fit in the back. I'm just sayin'.
 

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