Toyota Supra 2008

[GT4_Rule]

You could say that about half the cars sold in North America. Probably more.

Edit: And they probably won't do it as well, as in parts going out earlier.

Yes that is true - however the competition has a lot more sportier cars for about the same price, sometimes lower. If you're going to spend $30k on a new car then most people would want at least a bit of fun.

 

[a6m5]

Yes that is true - however the competition has a lot more sportier cars for about the same price, sometimes lower. If you're going to spend $30k on a new car then most people would want at least a bit of fun.

I have to disagree. If "most" people actually cared about that, then the "boring" Toyota wouldn't be so successful(which is really an understatement). Most people clearly cares more about quality, brand, value, more than fun.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Wolfe, it's dumb to compare BMW to Toyota.

The cheapest BMW costs at least 2X as much as a regular Toyota.

 

[Poverty]

my dads preferences are usually comfort, reliability and the sporting nature. Mine is the exact opposite.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Glad to see that Toyota will once again have a sports car. The ass looks nice, and the front reminds of a DB9.

 

[Kent]

Boring-Shmoring.

It's all a matter of taste and opinion.
I tested many cars before picking one and much of what I expected in "sporty" cars from companies like Honda ended up being hype.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
Btw, I'm really looking forward to seing the new Supra on the street one day and getting an idea of what it really looks like.
Maybe a ride in one will be in order once I'm ready for a new car.

 

[Wolfe]

Wolfe, it's dumb to compare BMW to Toyota.

The cheapest BMW costs at least 2X as much as a regular Toyota.

How is that a problem? The bottom line is that both Toyota and BMW are quite profitable car manufacturers. We all know that one of them is known for producing boring cars, and the other is not. Who buys Toyotas? Ordinary people. Who buys BMWs? Ordinary people and enthusiasts.

Toyota is missing out on a segment of the market, no matter how small it may be, and they don't have to.



You can look at it this way, too -- you're right when you say that BMWs cost more than twice what ordinary Toyotas cost...but BMWs still sell well. Obviously, BMW is or has been doing something that Toyota isn't, and it has to do with a bit more than just brand image.

 

[harrytuttle]

I understand that, but you can make only so much money with Miatas. If you want a exciting family sedan, good for you, but maybe not everyone wants to spend thousands more on performance. They sell only so many M5s, Altima SE-Rs, Civic Si's, etc. for a reason. Not many can justify the extra $$$.

I think Mazda, Subaru, and Honda have easily proven that it doesn't cost "thousands more" for performance. In fact, none of the competition in that category are exactly ripping in the "performance" category. They're just fun to drive. Comparing the V6 versions of the Accord, Mazda 6, and Camry, I'd bet that in a straight line there's not much between them. It's when you start attacking (as best you can in an Accord) a country road that you realize the Camry is asleep at the wheel.

Which brings me to another point. Most people are too dumb and uninterested in enjoying the driving experience. This is the reason that accident statistics have hardly dropped depsite all the safety features like ABS and airbags. Sure, the survival rate is much improved, but cars get trashed all the same because people aren't paying attention.

Thirty years ago, the average VW Beetle driver could tell you if that was a Mercury dime or Roosevelt dime that they just ran over. Today's Beetle will insulate you from knowing whether that was a manhole cover or grandma. It's this insulation from the road that gives people a dangerously false sense of security when driving, and attention goes out the window. Sleeping while driving is probably just as likely.

It's not that I want every car to be exciting on the road because that makes it "better". I want Johnny Commuter to be paying attention on the highway when I'm going to work.

 

[a6m5]

How is that a problem? The bottom line is that both Toyota and BMW are quite profitable car manufacturers. We all know that one of them is known for producing boring cars, and the other is not. Who buys Toyotas? Ordinary people. Who buys BMWs? Ordinary people and enthusiasts.

Toyota is missing out on a segment of the market, no matter how small it may be, and they don't have to.



You can look at it this way, too -- you're right when you say that BMWs cost more than twice what ordinary Toyotas cost...but BMWs still sell well. Obviously, BMW is or has been doing something that Toyota isn't, and it has to do with a bit more than just brand image.

I see your point, but it is a problem to me, because consumers look for something totally different in BMWs and Toyotas(well, almost all the time). BMW's reputation attracts rich people who wants that status symbol, and also rich people who want that "Ultimate Driving Machine" quality in their cars. Toyota mostly attracts middleclass people who needs a everyday vehicle. That is really just the tip of the iceberg. They are both successful, yes, but for totally different reasons. What works for Toyota might not work with BMW, vice versa.

Also, we all know about Toyota's issues with quality control right now. As Toyota is more likely to focus on the quality issues, it might not be that easy for them to turn their vehicle into "zoom-zoom" cars, just yet.

I think Mazda, Subaru, and Honda have easily proven that it doesn't cost "thousands more" for performance. In fact, none of the competition in that category are exactly ripping in the "performance" category. They're just fun to drive. Comparing the V6 versions of the Accord, Mazda 6, and Camry, I'd bet that in a straight line there's not much between them. It's when you start attacking (as best you can in an Accord) a country road that you realize the Camry is asleep at the wheel.

Good point. But it's like what I told Wolfe. Toyota has a lot on their plate right now. If they multi-task on making their cars sporty and bring back up the quality, I'm all for it.

Also, I went from '98 Accord VTEC 4(H&R Springs) to Altima 2.5S(Eibach), so I do realize the Accord can be a blast to drive................. and that Camry can be no worse than a 4 banger Altima.

Which brings me to another point. Most people are too dumb and uninterested in enjoying the driving experience. This is the reason that accident statistics have hardly dropped depsite all the safety features like ABS and airbags. Sure, the survival rate is much improved, but cars get trashed all the same because people aren't paying attention.

Thirty years ago, the average VW Beetle driver could tell you if that was a Mercury dime or Roosevelt dime that they just ran over. Today's Beetle will insulate you from knowing whether that was a manhole cover or grandma. It's this insulation from the road that gives people a dangerously false sense of security when driving, and attention goes out the window. Sleeping while driving is probably just as likely.

It's not that I want every car to be exciting on the road because that makes it "better". I want Johnny Commuter to be paying attention on the highway when I'm going to work.

And I see them as well. I think the problem lies within the driver training. In the U.S., there is like.... like..... none. You pretty much pass the written and driving tests(which is a joke), and you are good to go! Kind of scary.

 

[87chevy]

(the Camry is only slightly more sporty than the Scion tC S/C, which in turn is only slightly more sporty than a Buick).

Hey now! Ever Drive a GNX? Hell, even my late G'pa's Buick Ultra had some oompf!

 

[GT4_Rule]

Hate to say this to Buick but GNX was the only "recent" Buick that was anything close to sporty.

 

[87chevy]

Hate to say this to Buick but GNX was the only "recent" Buick that was anything close to sporty.

I was being sarcastic

 

[GT4_Rule]

Ohh OK.

Well I wasn't really aiming the reply to your post, it was just a general statement.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

I don't know how, but those rims reminds me of the Koenigsegg CCR

 

[M0nk3yBaIIz]

its nice but i still sont like the specs. same with the new gtr. or skyline. they should both jus keep the inline 6. its like the v6 for a skyline nd v8 for the supra. dont really like it. nd this is my opinion not here to start an arguement

 

[GT Pro]

its nice but i still sont like the specs. same with the new gtr. or skyline. they should both jus keep the inline 6. its like the v6 for a skyline nd v8 for the supra. dont really like it. nd this is my opinion not here to start an arguement

I actually agree, V8's are not what Japanese performance vehicles are about. Do you think Skylines would be anymore as popular as they are now if they ran a V8? Nope. The Supra, GTR and the EVO all use sixes and have not seemed to suffer a problem with the lack of power. When I heard news back in the 'Infiniti' GTR days of a V8 coming through, I was stunned.
They don't need a V8, stick to a six or a ten.

 

[Jay]

The Supra, GTR and the EVO all use sixes and have not seemed to suffer a problem with the lack of power.

Don't mean to be picky but the Evo is a four.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Yeah, well the EVO should change to a 3.0L 6 cyl.

As for the V8 on the Supra, you don't hear me complaining but I'd like to see a renewed 2JZ-GTE version in it 👍

 

[GT4_Rule]

I don't think Evo should change to a 6cylinder. It's fine as is.

 

[dudejo]

isn't japanese insurance based on the number of cylinders?

if so, how are the japanese going to afford those new cars?

 

[inferno]

They don't need a V8, stick to a six or a ten.

Um, so you dont like the V8 but a V10 is ok? and whats your reasoning for that? if it has to do with an F1 corelation then, well thats no longer aplicable as there all switching to V8s now.

I have no problem with a high reving 5 liter V8 along the lines of whats seen in the F430, or a twin turbo engine like the one being talked about, either making around 500 hp. It would be nice to finaly see the supra and skyline finaly elevated to the supercar status fanboys have raved about for years. even nicer to see how japan performs against some of the worlds best cars.

 

[ND4SPD]

Hate to say this to Buick but GNX was the only "recent" Buick that was anything close to sporty.

Well, if you look at the 97 and up Buick Regal GS's, they were great sleepers. They had a 3.8l supercharged V6 that had 240hp and 280lb ft of torque. Which gave the Regal GS a 0-60 time in the 6.5-6.7 range and standing 1/4 miles were in the mid 14's. With reletively cheap bolt on mods you can put them in the 13's. So I guess you can call the 97 and up Buick Regals quite fast and close enough to sporty while flying under the radar. I myself would love to have one of those.

 

[GT4_Rule]

That was my post from 3 months ago

Anyways, yeah, the Regal GSs might have been fast, but the suspension isn't exactly up to a level where it inspires confidence and feeling of sportiness. Its mushy.