Transformers 3: Dark Of The Moon (7/1/11)

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OK, so set pics have begun surfacing and I can only think one thing: Michael Bay is out to seek revenge against all of us that pointed out the innumerable flaws in Transformers 2.

Case in point: NASCAR Transformers.

http://jalopnik.com/5585189/nascar-transformers-how-michael-bay-will-ruin-another-movie

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Because the writing for the movies has never focused on attempting to explain why certain things happen I highly doubt they will ever explain to use why giant alien robots from space that are supposedly trying to hide incognito among the humans have taken on the form of NASCAR stock cars, especially the form of the cars driven by, arguably, three of the more famous drivers in NASCAR: Dale Jr., Jimmie Johnson, and Juan Pablo Montoya. The movie needs a scene where they pull up disguised as these cars and get surrounded by autograph seeking fans.

I guess the bonus is that this time around Bay doesn't have to worry about the concept car models he uses never existing, thus creating a huge problem from both the product placement and car guy angles.

My biggest fear, they will be horrible redneck stereotypes, or even worse, voiced by their respective drivers.


EDIT: And video has leaked out as well.

 
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Holy hell! NASCAR just sort of, kinda got cool. Too bad I will probably find Transformers 3 just as awful as the first two.
 
Too bad I will probably find Transformers 3 just as awful as the first two.
Well, they reckon they know what they did wrong. Shia La Beouf traced the problem back to them seeing the success of the first film and deciding that the natural logic was to kick it up a notch, but they went too far in all the wrong places.
 
I wonder who the Ferrari 458 Italia will be? Maybe it'll just be another quick death vehicle like the Audi R8 they hyped up in the second one that was only in it for about 5 minutes at the beginning. But, seeing it with the NASCARbots and Bumble Bee would suggest that it's an Autobot.
 
The 458 Italia is believed to be an Autobot, but the NASCARs are said to be Decepticons. There's also another video over at Comic Book Movie, which shows some filming in Chicago (on the same street where Christopher Nolan flipped his truck in THE DARK KNIGHT). From the looks of things, Chicago (or whichever city it's substituting for) has become a war zone and the NASCAR Decepticons are getting chased through it. It also looks like a group of humans - possible a "NEST" support team - perform a BASE jump onto the scene.
 
I suppose the good thing about having NASCARs is that they can cram all the product placement into it and have an excuse to get away with it (they are, after all, racing cars), and have the rest of the film go without it. It's kind of like the party scene in QUANTUM OF SOLACE: there's a large stack of Coke Zero cans on the bar. Everyone was concerned that they'd be placed directly in front of the camera and whatever, but they're not. They're not even out of place; if anything, it kind of adds to the scene. I'd totally expect to find a stack of Coke cans like that at any bar or pub that I went to. Provided that the script writers can find a good reason for three Transformers to be running around as NASCARs (ie, three brothers who love the idea of going faster as much as they do the idea of bashing into one another), then I think it could be done quite well.
 
It's Transformers, the whole series is basically product placement so I don't see NASCAR reducing that at all.
 
Now that Foxy Megan is out, there is no reason for me to watch the third one. no need in seeing a gay cow (sry mods but that is the translation of Laboeuf) LOL

I liked the 2 first movies, but just because i was a huge fan as boy. and transformers don't need a super elaborated story and massive monologues, that would turn out like the starwars in the simpsons where the At sits down to read about the news in the galaxy.
i only expect action and giant japanese robots fighting each other in this sort of film, espacially if Bay is in play. And they kept the simplistic moral concepts from the comics (good in humanity, loyality,...)

As for what cars are in the movie, i don't really care as long as they do the awesome sound while transformiing grshahshashsa
 
Now that Foxy Megan is out, there is no reason for me to watch the third one.

Thought that was a reason to see it now?

She is a horrid actress and really isn't that attractive.(I thought that before seeing her toe thumb)
 
Thought that was a reason to see it now?

She is a horrid actress
and really isn't that attractive.(I thought that before seeing her toe thumb)

This. 100x this.

That
horror Carrie rip-off movie she did (I honestly can't remember the name) proves this above and beyond. I could only sit through it for a good ten minutes before wanting to put my head through my desk.

I'm not so sure about her replacement, either. She looks like a stale actress as well.
 
Lets hope there's a Daihatsu Midget Transformer in it 👍
I'd watch it, but this is probably 'cause of my age (14) :P
 
No Megan Fox=Lame movie. :grumpy:


Kidding, i'll watch it ,but it won't be the same without her :(
 
I'll miss her [body] a lot and given the roles she's had in Transformers, it's for entertainment and not meant to be up for an Oscar or Globe. I think she'd did fine :drool:

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The only reason why Megan Fox isn't in, is because she said some nasty stuff about Michael Bay, and Bay through one of his fits and fired her. If I was Shia, I'd have left with Megan.
 
The only reason why Megan Fox isn't in, is because she said some nasty stuff about Michael Bay, and Bay through one of his fits and fired her. If I was Shia, I'd have left with Megan.
I think that with the original TRANSFORMERS, Bay proved he's a capable director. Give him the right project, and he just fits. I cannot picture any other director at the helm of the film. However, with REVENGE OF THE FALLEN, he proved that he needs someone watching over him pretty much all the time. When he gets things right - like the fight in the forest - then he's okay, but left to his own devices is asking for trouble. If TRANSFORMERS 3 is as good as it sounds (secret Transformer invovlement in the space race and Cold War written as a mystery ... sounds like a decent basic concept), then with a little bit of self-control, Bay could make a proper sequel.

Just so long as they fire Ehren Kruger.
 
If this movie is going to have NASCAR transformers, it better have zombies too. Like Zombieland apocalypse style.
 
No Megan Fox=Lame movie. :grumpy:

Kidding, i'll watch it ,but it won't be the same without her :(
If Megan Fox was a selling point for you don't worry. Attractive women with no talent are a dime a dozen in California.

I mean, they already have her replaced by a Victoria's Secret model.

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You'll be fine.

I think that with the original TRANSFORMERS, Bay proved he's a capable director.
Huh? That thing had plotholes big enough to drive Optimus through. And don't get me started on the shaky cam.

Give him the right project, and he just fits.
It was called The Rock. But I honestly believe Sean Connerey brought a lot to that.

I cannot picture any other director at the helm of the film.
James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson, Neil Blomkamp. You know, guys that don't think that an intelligent non-human must be some sort of comedy routine.

However, with REVENGE OF THE FALLEN, he proved that he needs someone watching over him pretty much all the time.
Pearl Harbor proved that.

When he gets things right - like the fight in the forest - then he's okay,
Wait, what happened there? I saw some robots, then the camera got shaky, I saw a lot of close ups of things like Optimus' knee, and then the fight was over and Shia LeBouf did some of the worst acting I have ever seen from him. That was likely because it didn't involve saying Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Go! Go! Go! repeatedly.

If TRANSFORMERS 3 is as good as it sounds (secret Transformer invovlement in the space race and Cold War written as a mystery ... sounds like a decent basic concept), then with a little bit of self-control, Bay could make a proper sequel.
The Autobots and Decepticons didn't both just happen to find Earth by accident while searching for Megatron and the cube. Something pointed them in the right direction. Don't forget, Megatron was being studied by US scientists since Sam's great grandfather discovered him, and the cube was being studied for decades.

If they try to make it into anything more then they are creating plot holes bigger than giant, ancient Transformer super weapons hiding inside the pyramids, and rewriting the entire official backstory they gave to the first movie via the Ghosts of Yesterday book.
 
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I've not seen either of them yet...I think FK has just saved me 2 hours and 47 minutes of my life 👍
 
^ The first one was doable. The second... let's just say that the twins (Skid and Mudflap) make Jar Jar look like a Nobel Prize winner and it goes downhill from there.

*insert scrotum "joke" here* :rolleyes:
 
Just the mention of Jar Jar in relation to a film is an instant dismissal!

I'll put the first one back on the rainy day list for when I've watched everything else I've got queued up.
 
Huh? That thing had plotholes big enough to drive Optimus through. And don't get me started on the shaky cam.
Plot holes are not the fault of the director, unless he's the writer-director.

It was called The Rock. But I honestly believe Sean Connerey brought a lot to that.
And Nicolas Cage took away from it. But I do believe THE ROCK is probably his best film. It came at a time before he developed a reputation for himself.

James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson, Neil Blomkamp. You know, guys that don't think that an intelligent non-human must be some sort of comedy routine.
Eh, maybe ... I'm not too familiar with Blomkamp's work, but I can't see Spielberg or Jackson helming TRANSFORMERS. Given the subject matter, it's only ever going to be light entertainment, and I think Spielberg and Jackson - even when they're at their most fun-loving - just wouldn't be the right fit. I think TRANSFORMERS generally worked because of Bay's kid-like approach of solving every problem by blowing it up, that larger-than-life quality that you're willing to suspend your disbelief for just to get a little bit more. REVENGE OF THE FALLEN had way too much of it, so it came undone. But I just think Spielberg and Jackson lack that nine year old's approach. That's what TRANSFORMERS really was, a film that was basically every young boy's imagination come to life and aimed at those young boys now that they had grown up a little.

Also, James Cameron would have been completely wrong for TRANSFORMERS. I find his films tend to feel a little empty, a little soulless. They're technical showcases first, designed to show off a director's prowess before being a vehicale for an actor. It happened in TRUE LIES, in TITANIC and in AVATAR (though I did enjoy AVATAR for what it was).

Pearl Harbor proved that.
To be fair, every director can have his dud moments. No doubt the studio thought they were onto something big when they got the final drafts of both PEARL HARBOUR and REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. There's a saying in Hollywood that you have no idea how good your script is until you've made the final film, because no film can be made until a production studio green-lights it, and the script is an integral part of that. A film is initially sold on the merits of its screenplay, so it has to impress someone first.

There are only a handful of directors I can think of who have never made a bad film. Christopher Nolan is the only one who comes to mind right now - not even Tarantino has a perfect track record (he did, after all, make DEATH PROOF). Taken on its own, PEARL HARBOUR could be evidence of a director just having a bad run - it's PEARL HARBOUR combined with REVENGE OF THE FALLEN that proves he just goes too far sometimes (I haven't actually seen BAD BOYS II and I've only seen the first half of ARMAGEDDON, so I can't really judge them).

Wait, what happened there? I saw some robots, then the camera got shaky, I saw a lot of close ups of things like Optimus' knee, and then the fight was over a Shia LeBouf did some of the worst acting I have ever seen from him. That was likely because it didn't involve saying Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Go! Go! Go! repeatedly.
"Right" is a relative term. It was the part he got right comapred to the rest of the film, but that doesn't make it perfect. I recall most of the critics pointing to the forest fight as being one of the few scenes where the film achieves something positive.

The Autobots and Decepticons didn't both just happen to find Earth by accident while searching for Megatron and the cube. Something pointed them in the right direction. Don't forget, Megatron was being studied by US scientists since Sam's great grandfather discovered him, and the cube was being studied for decades.
Okay, here's how I would have done the trilogy. You'll have to bear with me a little bit, because it might be a little long:

Thousands of years ago, there was a group of Cybertronians called the Primes. They seeded the galaxy with sun harvesters, making a pact to never construct one on a world home to intelligent life. The Fallen was one of these Primes, and he constructed a sun harvester on earth before life came about. As the millenia wore on and each sun harvester was used, the Primes had to move further and further beyond Cybertron for new sources of energon. They found the sun harvester on earth, and, to their horror, the early stages of human kind. They believed that the Fallen had broken their pact, and cast him out. This explains the Fallen's hatred of humans: he believes they led to his downfall. This was the trigger for the Cybertronian civil war. The Autobot and Decepticon factions were born out of the belief over what the Fallen (supposedly) did, because with energon sources being at an all-time low, the Cybertronians were faced with their own extinction. The Autobots stuck to the old pact that no sun should he harvested if there was life in its system, while the Decepticons believed that any viable star should be absorbed if if meant Cybertron's survival. During this civil war, the cube was lost to the void - but it was drawn to the nearest sun harvester: earth.

The events of the first film would happen pretty much as they did. Megatron sought the cube and crashed in the Arctic; Archibald Witwicky found him, and so on. The second film, however, would be slightly different in a number of ways: with the cube destroyed, it fulfilled its final function - to imprint the knowledge of the Primes onto whoever touched it. This was only ever intended for a Cybertronian, but the Cybertronians never anticipated it landing in human hands. Mikaela, not Sam, would be the one to touch the shard of the cube, and in doing so, she would become a Prime herself, the first human Prime. Most of the film would have Optimus with the knowledge that a new Prime had been created, and he would largely assume this to be Sam. They would then have to spend most of the film working out what had happened and protecting Mikaela. Rather than simply want to kill the humans, the Fallen would want to kill all the Cybertronians. In his exile he had come to the conclusion that the Cybertronians had been parasitic. Their use of sun harvesters had killed worlds off before life had a chance to develop. He intends to use Mikaela to find the sun harvester on earth and activate it. With a new cube under his control, he would wage war against all the Cybertronians. Ultimately, he would use the cube to create life on worlds across the universe, essentially remaking it in his image and becoming a God. He wouldn't be so much of a villain as a tragic anti-hero. I should also add that, at some point, we would learn that when the cube comes in contact with a machine like the appliances in Sam's kitchen, it creates them in a feral, animal state, which is why they tend to attack straight away.

As for the third film, it would still concern the space race an the Cold War. We would learn that Megatron had discovered the knowledge that when cast into the void, the cube would default to the nearest planet with a sun harvester (throwing a cube halfway across the galaxy to hit a pyramid being an inexact science, the cube landed in the Arctic). He was not alone in his journey across the universe; he was followed by his first lieutenant, Shockwave, who followed when Megatron did not return. Shockwave landed in central Russia in 1908 - the Tunguska Event - where he was eventually discovered by the Russians. Unlike Megatron, who was kept in stasis, Shockwave was allowed to roam free in exchange for his knowledge. This gave rise to the Soviet space program. While Shockwave was initially friendly towards the humans (for a Decepticon, at least), probably because he knew a lot about killing as many people as efficiently as possible and the Soviets were interested in that, he turned on them when the KGB acquired intelligence on the Hoover Dam project. Realising that the humans had captured Megatron, Shockwave started the Cold War with a view to nuclear armageddon. With the humans dead, he could liberate Megatron and activate the sun harvester. Shockwave fell on April 26, 1986 when the Russians realised his plans and deliberately exposed him to radiation. The Russians built a containment facility similar to Megatron's, though it was really more of a tomb - the sarcophagus at Chernobyl. Shockwave remains imprisoned in the No. 4 reactor building, perpetually weakened by the radiation and unable to escape from under the iron shell over the complex. The film would deal with the consequences of the radiation steadily declining; the Russians had thought it would eventually kill him. As the area around Chernobyl steadily becoms safer, Shockwave's power grows and he is able to escape the sarcophagus (helped by the fact that it itself is weakening).
 
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^ The first one was doable. The second... let's just say that the twins (Skid and Mudflap) make Jar Jar look like a Nobel Prize winner and it goes downhill from there.

*insert scrotum "joke" here* :rolleyes:
Exactly. First was decent, 2nd was just terrible mainly because of those twins. I dont have high expectations for this one at all and I am a huge Transformers fan. I dont care for Nascar so that does not have me excited either. And I cant imagine this Victoria secret model being any better of an actor than Megan Fox. I am a sucker for special effects and lots of explosions. The less they talk the better the movie will be for me.
 
Whoa whoa whoa
Hey, Mikela. Need a ride?
Go go go go go!
Get in the car.
I think it's a japaneserobot.
Whoa whoa whoa

now it's a good summary.

On Bay subject. i think he's quite good in his purposes. Making entertaining, visual plastic films. that's his films 90min of entertainement. If i want a movie with a great story, caracteres, and deep plots,... i do not go for bay.

bad boys 2 was a cool funny movie btw
The Rock rooked (lame i know)

And on the subject of Cameron: he did marvellous movies (alien, t2), but i don't take that for granted (for any director, producer,...). He did also some pretty dull movies :as avatar which is just a copy of a subject that was been chewed on so long it became tasteless.

avatar = pocahontas with 3d


(it's also on the fail thread) Look on the name of the autor haha lolol
 
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