Transmission whine in tuned cars

[ImprezaAddict]

PD made some questionable choices, because GT5 is meant to be a simulator but it's also meant for casual gamers. So slipstream is absurdly powerful while the annoying transmission whine could be much softer. I'm guessing most players would rather hear the engine than a transmission while driving in cockpit view. After all, it's a game. And it's a game about the cars, and that's pretty much what I mean by the whine is too annoying.

 

[TheCracker]

By putting a racing transmission in a car you have to be prepared for the sound.
It's GT5's problem that there isn't an alternative street transmission, which only has changeable final drive.
GT5 definitely needs a bigger choice of gearboxes.

I don't mind the sound, mostly due to the fact that I don't buy racing transmissions for street cars.

How many choices are there IRL?

GT5 has a standard, close ratio and full custom (race transmissions). It's pretty much your options in any real life scenario.

I understand what you guys are saying about having the option to at least change your final drive ratio, but in the real world can you actually buy alternative final drives for every car represented in GT5?

 

[shirakawaa]

How many choices are there IRL?

GT5 has a standard, close ratio and full custom (race transmissions). It's pretty much your options in any real life scenario.

Well, not at all!
In real life you have different choices, ranging from compatible gearboxes from similar car models (and here's where the generally hated "duplicate" cars of different years or versions would come into use), to racing gearboxes which can be of different types (synchronized/not syncronized, H-pattern/sequential, with some limited amount of possible customization/fixed ratios, some of them allow fully manual clutchless operation when upshifting, etc).

The "close ratio" and "super close ratio" gearboxes in GT5 (and in all previous games) are pretty much useless for most cars as they have an excessively short first gear (compared to other ones) an in general, a total ratio only suitable (often not even that) for stock car performance. And in general those transmissions would be intended in real life to be matched with custom final gear ratios depending on the use.

In the end people in GT5 are forced to get a fully customizable racing transmission, but that's something that in RL would be extremely expensive. Generally, except in the case the most wealthy racing teams, appropriate fixed transmissions are chosen from a more or less wide range of options. Some customization is sometimes possible, but it's never total, maybe not even on F1.

I understand what you guys are saying about having the option to at least change your final drive ratio, but in the real world can you actually buy alternative final drives for every car represented in GT5?

If it cannot be bought, it can be custom made. And certainly, it would be more realistic to have on a street car a custom made final gear ratio than a entire custom racing transmission.

PD made some questionable choices, because GT5 is meant to be a simulator but it's also meant for casual gamers. So slipstream is absurdly powerful while the annoying transmission whine could be much softer. I'm guessing most players would rather hear the engine than a transmission while driving in cockpit view. After all, it's a game. And it's a game about the cars, and that's pretty much what I mean by the whine is too annoying.

That's an annoying justification for PD. There's nothing preventing them to offer options to make the game easier and less realistic for those who want a casual gaming experience. There's no need for compromises to please the masses.

 

[GroupBmonsters]

So annoying! PD should make cars with straight cut gears in real life not as loud too! It's so annoying cars make any sound at all! I can't believe this!

 

[leexr2i]

Isn't a straight cut gearbox a sequential shifter?

You can get staight cut manual boxes.. A frined of mine had one in his mini turbo! Thing was so loud you needed ear plugs.. Also ther is a good video on youtube of a mclaren f1 lm road car driven by tiff, thats things box is super loud.. I like it!

 

[mstcle323]

Just lower the sfx sounds

 

[SkateNj]

you do know the tranny shouldnt be super loud in a street car because that car like most cars probably has a lot of noise reducing materials...

 

[mstcle323]

The sound is justway too loud,also changing your exhaust will make slightly different sounds

 

[chuyler1]

I'd be fine with it, if there was an option for a customizable gearbox that did not have straight cut gears. It is the most annoying in muscle cars which often have a gear-limited top speed of 100-120mph. The 5 and 6 speed close ratio boxes don't give you any better top speed, so pretty much every muscle car requires a custom tranny...thus drowning out that awesome muscle car sound.

 

[smrtb0mb]

I want PD to give us a "adjustable transmission volume" slider in an options menu. Those who want realism can leave it at 100%

This is probably a huge plus for games like Forza which forego a bit of realism for gamer enjoyment.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Yes yes, tone it down. I hate trying all four exhausts on a car I'm tuning, only to have my carefully selected sound drowned out by the whining transmission. That's why most of my cars have stock transmissions. Especially when I end up using the stock exhaust (*cough*EVERY CORVETTE I'VE DRIVEN IN THE GAME*cough*), it gets run over even in third person view.

Speaking of which, PD really got the performance exhausts wrong on the Corvette. A Corvette with side pipes does NOT sound like a rally car in real life!

 

[1241Penguin]

Yes yes, tone it down. I hate trying all four exhausts on a car I'm tuning, only to have my carefully selected sound drowned out by the whining transmission. That's why most of my cars have stock transmissions. Especially when I end up using the stock exhaust (*cough*EVERY CORVETTE I'VE DRIVEN IN THE GAME*cough*), it gets run over even in third person view.

Speaking of which, PD really got the performance exhausts wrong on the Corvette. A Corvette with side pipes does NOT sound like a rally car in real life!

Glad to know I'm not the only one who does that!

 

[TheCracker]

I'd be fine with it, if there was an option for a customizable gearbox that did not have straight cut gears. It is the most annoying in muscle cars which often have a gear-limited top speed of 100-120mph. The 5 and 6 speed close ratio boxes don't give you any better top speed, so pretty much every muscle car requires a custom tranny...thus drowning out that awesome muscle car sound.

Why would anyone want to buy or sell/market a customizable gearbox that was weaker and less efficient?

The issue shouldn't be that custom gearboxes in GT5 add a whine that some people find disagreeable, because it's a feature that accurately reflects real life. The complaints should be pointed towards the fact that engine sounds in GT5 are generally quite poor. When engine/induction/exhaust mods are carried out, a vast majority of a cars engine sounds appear to revert to a generic soundtrack, shared by many cars, that doesn't accurately reflect what those mods would do to the sound.

 

[BluEvo210]

Yes yes, tone it down. I hate trying all four exhausts on a car I'm tuning, only to have my carefully selected sound drowned out by the whining transmission. That's why most of my cars have stock transmissions. Especially when I end up using the stock exhaust (*cough*EVERY CORVETTE I'VE DRIVEN IN THE GAME*cough*), it gets run over even in third person view.

Speaking of which, PD really got the performance exhausts wrong on the Corvette. A Corvette with side pipes does NOT sound like a rally car in real life!

Ditto!

Straight-cut gears may be louder than normal gears in real life, but they never drown out the engine. I own a car with a little 1.4L engine and a small exhaust. I can say from experience, if your gears are louder than your engine, your gears are broken. Get them fixed before your transmission consumes itself and leaves you stranded.

I was baffled when I was driving a NASCAR racer for the first time in GT5. The gears drown out the engine in NASCAR? Not ****ing likely. The exhaust on those cars is designed to produce sound frequencies that stimulate the brain toward excitement. In other words, they're designed to sound cool. They're not loud just to be loud, but they're designed to be heard. What kind of revenue would NASCAR have if the cars went by the stands and the spectators just heard an ear-splitting gear whine? NASCAR would go broke pretty quickly.

I've also been around real musclecars enough to have heard a Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher" transmission. They're not straight-cut gears, but it has the gears cut at a shallower angle than most transmissions. It's one of the loudest transmissions ever, and I'm sure it's the loudest mass-produced for American cars. You can hear it if the car is cruising along at low RPM. If the driver gets on the gas, any V8 will drown out the transmission noise. The particular case I heard was a dead-stock Oldsmobile with a 2" peashooter exhaust. If the engine was revving, you could barely hear the transmission.

If PD wants to call their game "The Real Driving Simulator", they need to turn down the transmission noise to about a quarter of what it is now. Unless this kind of thing gets fixed, my chances of buying GT6 are pretty slim.

 

[uMadson?]

Ditto!

Straight-cut gears may be louder than normal gears in real life, but they never drown out the engine. I own a car with a little 1.4L engine and a small exhaust. I can say from experience, if your gears are louder than your engine, your gears are broken. Get them fixed before your transmission consumes itself and leaves you stranded.

I was baffled when I was driving a NASCAR racer for the first time in GT5. The gears drown out the engine in NASCAR? Not ****ing likely. The exhaust on those cars is designed to produce sound frequencies that stimulate the brain toward excitement. In other words, they're designed to sound cool. They're not loud just to be loud, but they're designed to be heard. What kind of revenue would NASCAR have if the cars went by the stands and the spectators just heard an ear-splitting gear whine? NASCAR would go broke pretty quickly.

I've also been around real musclecars enough to have heard a Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher" transmission. They're not straight-cut gears, but it has the gears cut at a shallower angle than most transmissions. It's one of the loudest transmissions ever, and I'm sure it's the loudest mass-produced for American cars. You can hear it if the car is cruising along at low RPM. If the driver gets on the gas, any V8 will drown out the transmission noise. The particular case I heard was a dead-stock Oldsmobile with a 2" peashooter exhaust. If the engine was revving, you could barely hear the transmission.

If PD wants to call their game "The Real Driving Simulator", they need to turn down the transmission noise to about a quarter of what it is now. Unless this kind of thing gets fixed, my chances of buying GT6 are pretty slim.

So the excessive whine made by my yellow BCNR33 "Wangan Cruiser" is actually unrealistic? (it only has sport exhaust by the way, titanium sounds obnoxious)

I am grateful for the enlightenment.

 

[D-Max]

This is all I really have to say on tune-able gearbox's :- Turn the volume down or your ears will bleed.....

Why do you think 90% of drivers on A track with A race setup car wear Earphones that drown out the sound or Ear plugs for that matter...

 

[shirakawaa]

That car (the very same video people keep taking as a prime example of transmission whine, while it's not) must have had a misaligned transmission or something.
There's a limit over which an excessively high transmission noise can be a symptom of mechanical problems.

 

[seanneedscar]

That car (the very same video people keep taking as a prime example of transmission whine, while it's not) must have had a misaligned transmission or something.
There's a limit over which transmission noise can be a symptom of mechanical problems.

lol you guys freaking crack me up

even when you get proved wrong:

"oh theres something wrong with that car"

FWIW the BMW touring car is exactly how these cars sound. there is nothing wrong with it, it sounds perfect.

If you guys want to hear the engine, use the 3rd person view.

 

[shirakawaa]

Not all gearboxes with straight cut gears are that noisy, relatively to the engine's tone. You can't take the video on Youtube where it's the noisiest as an example to justify GT5's rendition.

Nascar stock cars are one example that can be directly compared with GT5.

 

[MrDrift98]

I wish there was a way to edit GT5's files to remove the Tranny whine :\

 

[tuga703]

I think that instead of taking the transmission whine out there should be an alternative to the fully custom gearbox which uses normal gears instead of straight cut ones so we can tune street cars without ruining them with that high pitched noise

 

[shirakawaa]

I think that instead of taking the transmission whine out there should be an alternative to the fully custom gearbox which uses normal gears instead of straight cut ones so we can tune street cars without ruining them with that high pitched noise

I've already proposed that instead of being forced to buy a racing transmission to customize gear lenght, there could be one or more tuning parts for changing the final drive ratio (axle/differential gear) only. PD could separate that from the individual gear settings of each transmission.

They could do something like this:
Sports final drive: 4 or 5 available presets, shorter and longer than stock
Semi-racing " ": more granularity (maybe 8-10 presets)
Fully customizable " " : as the name states

In this way, the 5 or 6 fixed gears sports transmissions (they introduce some whine but not as much as the racing transmission) that are currently useless due to excessively short gears, could actually become useful together with custom final gear ratio. As a "compensation" for the added functionality, they could increase the fully customizable racing transmission cost.