//Tuning comp?//

[De@tthwi§ho0]

I was just thinking last night,, We have all this skilled tuners at for example the 300mph club,, so I thought why not make a little competition out of it,, something like the Potomode comps,, I was thinking about somebody starting this thread,, and then names a car,, for example: The Saleen S7,, and then everybody who has the car fully tuned can join and tries to get the fasted speed with that specificly named car.. Pic of proof most be shown,, and then,, after the deadline of for example one week,, The one with the fastest speed is the winner and can name the nex car for the next comp,, Note that the cars just don't need to be fast,, any car which is tunable,, and were the settings can be changed should be included in my opinion,, maybe this is just a stupid idea,, but in my head it sounded fun,,
Oh well,, tell me what you think and maybe we could realise this,,

 

[guska]

not a bad idea you may have something there just need to work on some rules and regulations and your all set.

mods - sorry about the grammar my comma key is stuck down and i cant get it back up

 

[sucahyo]

A very good idea 👍, tuning competition is what I like to see in this section .
Do we tune it for B-Spec or for human driver?

 

[Scaff]

I would be quite willing to look at putting together something along these lines.

It is something I personally have considered before in the past, but common agreement on the rules and guidelines surrounding it would be needed.

The biggest potential problems with it that I can see are that tuning is a subjective 'art' at best and what work well for one driver may not for an other. Even leaving it down to just lap times can be an issue as not every tuner is a fast driver, and some of the fastest drivers around can adapt and drive around even a poor set-up.

What I would like are some posts detailing members who are interested and what your ideas and thoughts on how this could be done.

Regards

Scaff

BTW @De@tthwi§ho0, please not this is not an attempt by me to hijack your thread and/or idea. I think its a great idea and whould like to see it get off the ground. +rep given

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Yeah, I like this, and would be willing to participate as much as I can.

Scaff was right about peoples abilities, that has to be covered in some way, to avoid good tuners being punished for bad driving
Just for suggestion; all tuning should be for A-spec, since B-spec is very reliable, but not very fast.
The use of several testvenues should be implemented, and each venues 1-8 spots will be given points (say 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1). Then all venues get summed up, and the tuner with most points win. The venues I can think of are: 1/4 mile, Top speed test (use rules set for the 300 mph thread), and then two very different tracks, like Monaco and Suzuka or something.

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

I would be quite willing to look at putting together something along these lines.

It is something I personally have considered before in the past, but common agreement on the rules and guidelines surrounding it would be needed.

The biggest potential problems with it that I can see are that tuning is a subjective 'art' at best and what work well for one driver may not for an other. Even leaving it down to just lap times can be an issue as not every tuner is a fast driver, and some of the fastest drivers around can adapt and drive around even a poor set-up.

What I would like are some posts detailing members who are interested and what your ideas and thoughts on how this could be done.

Regards

Scaff

BTW @De@tthwi§ho0, please not this is not an attempt by me to hijack your thread and/or idea. I think its a great idea and whould like to see it get off the ground. +rep given

I don't at all think you stole or hijacked this post,, I don't have the skills or time to set up a comp myself,,, but I was just wondering what you guys thought of my little idea,, Maybe somebody wants to realise thois idea,,

Oh and can everybody who thinks tis is a good idea or who wants to participate leave a comment or something,, cause with 3 or 4 people participating,, that wouldn't be a cmop now would it

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Yeah, I like this, and would be willing to participate as much as I can.

Scaff was right about peoples abilities, that has to be covered in some way, to avoid good tuners being punished for bad driving
Just for suggestion; all tuning should be for A-spec, since B-spec is very reliable, but not very fast.
The use of several testvenues should be implemented, and each venues 1-8 spots will be given points (say 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1). Then all venues get summed up, and the tuner with most points win. The venues I can think of are: 1/4 mile, Top speed test (use rules set for the 300 mph thread), and then two very different tracks, like Monaco and Suzuka or something.

That is exactly what I thought mate,, 4 different things to participate in,, And in A spec

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Just another thought; To make this thread more appealing to others, the winner of each round should post his/her settings for all 4 venues.

 

[DuckRacer]

What if we all chose a car for the week, at a certain track, and we all make settings for that certain car/track combo? Then, we post our settings, and we test each others' settings. Then, we vote for the person with the best settings.

But then again, there probably should be a balance of top speed settings and normal settings, so people like me won't dominate each competition.

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

That's correct Duck,, I was thinking of something like that,, but then make a real comp. with for example four different catgories,, so everybody stands a chance..

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Something I just came up with,,

What if we make a competition: How should it be?,, a lot of people asked yourself this question I guess,, Here's what I think it should be...

I think whe should have four categories: A top speed test,, A 1/4 mile test at Las Vegas drag strip,, And then two tracks which should be changed ever new comp,, so there will be more variation in it.
For every comp the winner of the last comp will decide which car is going to be used: For example: The Chevrolet Corvette Z06..
I think it's quite obvious the car must be tuned fully,, Nitrous must be used at the top speed test but it shouldn't be allowed at the 1/4 mile and the two tracks..
The only thing I'm worried about is that the comp will take to much time,, because if we are going to make a comp with those four categories,, we can't close the comp for maybe a month??

Also I would like the idea of being awarded points for your position at each category,,

Some rules I was thinking about:
- Maybe we should begin with a qualifying round for the comp.,, when the car is announced we could make a qualifying time and/or speed,,
For example: Of the car is a Chevy Z06,, then somebody who runs the comp: (Me?) Will set a qualifying time/speed for every category,,
For example you want to participate in the top speed test,, If there's a qualifying speed of 280mph,, you must reach that speed or higher to be allowed to participate...
Same for the 1/4 mile and the two different tracks...

- Also usage of nitrous at the 1/4 mile and the two tracks shouldn't be allowed..

- Wheelies at the top speed test shouldn't be allowed and pic of proof that you reached that specific speed must be posted or you can't participate

- Only the specific car should be used for that specific comp..

- Also a point awarding system should be a good idea...

- Also I think it would be a good idea if more people whould help to host the comp: For example a person who sets qualifying times and speeds,, somebody who controls the point system..

- All races must be raced in A-spec

Anyone who has suggestions or has interest in hosting this comp or has serious ideas or suggestions for rules can always PM me or just leave a message here.. Maybe we can realise this
I would definetly want to help with building this comp. but I'm not too good at webistes and stuff

All

 

[Scaff]

Personally I think that having four events running at once is asking for disaster, just ask anyone who runs any of the OLR series, one event at a time is more than enough work.

Also as far as high speed runs and 1/4 runs go, well one is already well covered in the 300mph thread and 1/4 in my opinion has been done to death, anyone interested could well do with resurecting that thread.

One suggestion I have is a track and car combo is picked (possiably via a vote this worked well for the Nurburgring WLR series) and set-ups are then posted. The settings posts could be done either directly or via PM to an organisor, these could then be tested by interested memebers and a score and comments given.

I don't personally think that setting a lap time requirement would make for a long lasting series as some newcomers to tuning may well be put off.

Just some thoughst, keep them coming.

Regards

Scaff

 

[socomplayer2]

im in but i am not so good at tuning... i know what all the stuff does but dont know what part to change to make it work better considering i need to feel somthing to work on it... more of a hands on type of person like a real car

 

[DuckRacer]

I think whe should have four categories: A top speed test,, A 1/4 mile test at Las Vegas drag strip,, And then two tracks which should be changed ever new comp,, so there will be more variation in it.

I don't. 4 categories is way too confusing, and it takes too much time.

One suggestion I have is a track and car combo is picked (possiably via a vote this worked well for the Nurburgring WLR series) and set-ups are then posted. The settings posts could be done either directly or via PM to an organisor, these could then be tested by interested memebers and a score and comments given.

That's what I was thinking about. 👍

 

[RXGem]

My suggestions:

I think there should be a standard tyre. Sport Hards are what my friends and I have found to be the best for grip/drift racing for low power light weights with around 300+HP to heavy weights with 600+HP cars.

And, another idea would be to have drivers test the setups, post a time on a test track or two and get an average lap time per setup..

Just a few thoughts, for now..


I'm still not sure if this is a 'Tuner Challenge' or a competition to see who's setup people like most..

 

[sucahyo]

What about the score?

• lap time
• car balance (understeer / oversteer)
• braking / acceleration reaction
• roll control
• grip handling feel
• driftability for bonus score

?

 

[DuckRacer]

I think there should be a standard tyre. Sport Hards are what my friends and I have found to be the best for grip/drift racing for low power light weights with around 300+HP to heavy weights with 600+HP cars.

Agreed. I'm think more of sports mediums if we go full tuned, or racing hards (since that's what everybody but me uses to tune).

And, another idea would be to have drivers test the setups, post a time on a test track or two and get an average lap time per setup.

That should not be part of the scoring, since it uses driving skill, not tuning skill.

What about the score?

• lap time
• car balance (understeer / oversteer)
• braking / acceleration reaction
• roll control
• grip handling feel
• driftability for bonus score

Laptime - no, for reasons listed above.
Car balance - yes.
Braking / acceleration reaction - Umm... dunno what you're talking about? Could you explain?
Roll control - maybe.
Grip handling feel - that should be grouped together with car balance.
Driftability for bonus score - Heck no.

 

[Uncle Harry]

Agreed. I'm think more of sports mediums if we go full tuned, or racing hards (since that's what everybody but me uses to tune).

That should not be part of the scoring, since it uses driving skill, not tuning skill.

Laptime - no, for reasons listed above.
Car balance - yes.
Braking / acceleration reaction - Umm... dunno what you're talking about? Could you explain?
Roll control - maybe.
Grip handling feel - that should be grouped together with car balance.
Driftability for bonus score - Heck no.

Lap time should not be used to rate the winner, maybe we use a lap time by a good driver using stock suspension and power as a base and test suspension mods based on improvement in times by the same driver. More than 1 driver could be used.
Also judgements on ease of driving and corner speed improvement need to be factored in to the result.

I would like to see some comps on FWD cars. Also all aids need to be set to 0.

 

[sucahyo]

Laptime - no, for reasons listed above.
Car balance - yes.
Braking / acceleration reaction - Umm... dunno what you're talking about? Could you explain?
Roll control - maybe.
Grip handling feel - that should be grouped together with car balance.
Driftability for bonus score - Heck no.

Braking/acceleration reaction is to provide score for car problem when braking and accelerating. Like wheel spin, weak brake, fish tailing, spin when accelerating or braking, etc. everything that can make the car out of control. Maybe it's better to call it something else to include car hopping or straight line instability.

Everything that happen when the car is in control goes to car balance score.

Maybe the judge should decide the handling characteristic of stock car, and then decide how much score can be achieve by increasing certain handling.
For example:
a certain FF car decided by judge has acceleration understeer and weak braking. big point for neutral handling, small point for increased braking, point for decent gearing, point for nimbleness, point for grip everywhere, etc.

rally track included?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I say we can leave the tyres sort of up for grabs. The person who dictates what car and what track that shall be used, should also get the privilege of choosing what tyres to use.
If not, then this formula is what I would like to see:
All roadcars up to 300PS: N2
Roadcars 300+PS: N3
Rallycars: S1
All Racecars: R1

 

[Scaff]

I like a lot of the ideas that are coming through so far and would agree with a lot of what Duck has said so far.

I also think that drift settings should be left well alone, after all we have a dedicated forum and plenty of threads for that.

In terms of tyres I do think that we should have a set of guidelines at least (or a control tyre) as you can hide a flawed set-up by using sticky rubber; and as has been said no driver aids.

Regards

Scaff

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Scaff,, you said you had interest in hosting something like this,, what would be your rules guidelines etcetera?

I agree that four categories would be too much,, So what are we going to do?

- Are we going to pick one (or two) track(s) which will be different every comp or will we just pick one (or two) track(s) which will always be the same...?

- I think letting the one who decideds which car we are going to use will be picking the tires also,, and will be picking the one (or two) track(s) (<--- That is really annoying)

 

[zefff]

I am down for this as Ive only really just got into S tyres and this would be a good exercise to help me up my game.

The only problem I see is how would you manage 20, 30 or 40 entries? I personally havent really got the time to be testing more than 3 or 4 tunes at once so I think we would need group qualifying or small divisions etc.

One tyre on one car for one track sounds good to me although another potential idea is tuning to a set budget. You could even choose one model range of car so for example: If you have 150k budget to purchase and tune a Skyline GTR you could opt for an R34 Vspec II with less mods or a cheaper R32 N1 with more mods to bring it upto spec.

That might be a bit more complex though what with the extra work plus different currencies for PAL, NTSC etc.

Edit: Yeah after thinking about it - 1 car, 1 tyre, 1 track.

 

[Scaff]

OK if everyone is up for this I will put together a set of rules based around the comments and posts that we have had so far.

I don't think to begin with that we will have a major issue with too many people posting up settings, but if that does happen then we may have to limit places.

I will post something up within the next few days to get us started (it will take me a while to sort it out).

Regards

Scaff

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

OK if everyone is up for this I will put together a set of rules based around the comments and posts that we have had so far.

I don't think to begin with that we will have a major issue with too many people posting up settings, but if that does happen then we may have to limit places.

I will post something up within the next few days to get us started (it will take me a while to sort it out).

Regards

Scaff

Scaff,, you're great man,, thanks a lot,, And I would like to thank everybody who gave some feedback on my idea..
Can't wait to see what you come up with scaff👍

 

[DUNDA]

Cant wait for this comp to start, it doesnt look like its gona be crap like some of the other comps out there.

BTW I think posting settings is really going to kill the comp, I think photos of lap times would be sufficient. Just imagine 50 people posting their settings (WHAT A MESS). Each person can post once with four pics as proof, only the winners can choose to reveil their settings.Go to GT4 Race reports and check out the Tsukuba Monster thread for some hints.

Good luck with your comp.

 

[DuckRacer]

BTW I think posting settings is really going to kill the comp, I think photos of lap times would be sufficient. Just imagine 50 people posting their settings (WHAT A MESS). Each person can post once with four pics as proof, only the winners can choose to reveil their settings.

Instead of posting their settings in the comp itself, why not post them here? That way, it'll be easier to add them to the wiki, and it would be a lot more organized.

And about having 40 people in the comp, I doubt it'll reach half that mark. I'm thinking about 10 people will enter on average.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I don´t think everyone has to submit their settings. It is sufficient enough with the winner of each round.

 

[Uncle Harry]

I don´t think everyone has to submit their settings. It is sufficient enough with the winner of each round.

A tuning comp by name implies we are looking at good set ups and not just lap times. (we are trying to remove driver skill)

How can the judges rate each specific set up if the settings are not posted?..
Lap times, as said before, do not proove a set up is good or bad.

If we are just looking at lap times then you might as well just enter the OLR races for tuned cars.

How can you proove that the settings are yours and not borrowed from another web site?

All set ups would have to be posted to a non viewable link which I think Duck was refering to in his post.

 

[sucahyo]

Agree, since this is a tuning competition, we should allow people to post the car setting.

Maybe we should create a car setting database, just like leaderboard but this one for car setting. It would be great if this database is accessible with gtplanet login and people can only submit their own setting. One people, one setting for one car, one updatable record.

Not all people have gtplanet wikipedia access, and it canl be too much work for the people who have access to submit it.

All set ups would have to be posted to a non viewable link which I think Duck was refering to in his post.

what is a non viewable link? excel file ?

What happen when there are many people who has almost the same tuning?