TV options - regular / LCD / plazma - PS2/GT4 advantage?

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Civicbus
get an HDTV of some kind. A regular CRT will go out of date within the near future.
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Is my 100hz digital 36inch widescreen considered HDTV?
Because to be quite honest it knocks spots of all the Plasma/LCDs (within £1000 of what I paid for mine) ive seen for sheer crisp clear picture quality.
 
GTXLR
Is my 100hz digital 36inch widescreen considered HDTV?
Because to be quite honest it knocks spots of all the Plasma/LCDs (within £1000 of what I paid for mine) ive seen for sheer crisp clear picture quality.
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should be, it's pretty much just the CRT's with the regular aspect ratio's that'll be obsolete.

Yeah the "flatpanel" widescreen's are killer, but if you want a bigger display you HAVE to go plasma/LCD
 
Civicbus
should be, it's pretty much just the CRT's with the regular aspect ratio's that'll be obsolete.

Yeah the "flatpanel" widescreen's are killer, but if you want a bigger display you HAVE to go plasma/LCD
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errrrr. wrong answer.

Convential direct view CRT's offer the best picture as of yet. Pricy LCDs and plasmas still don't offer the brightness and black levels that direct views provide.

They're bulky and heavy, and the max size you can find them is under 50 inches, but they're also much cheaper. While plasmas are aimed at the high end consumer, they do not perform vastly better (sometimes much worse, actually) than a good 16:9, HDTV capable direct view. For gamers that want a nice big display and have the cash to pour into it, go with a DLP rear projection LCD, or if you're mister moneybags, a DLP HDTV projector.
 
kinigitt
errrrr. wrong answer.

Convential direct view CRT's offer the best picture as of yet. Pricy LCDs and plasmas still don't offer the brightness and black levels that direct views provide.

They're bulky and heavy, and the max size you can find them is under 50 inches, but they're also much cheaper. While plasmas are aimed at the high end consumer, they do not perform vastly better (sometimes much worse, actually) than a good 16:9, HDTV capable direct view. For gamers that want a nice big display and have the cash to pour into it, go with a DLP rear projection LCD, or if you're mister moneybags, a DLP HDTV projector.
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I prefer CRT too ... if you watch tv or play games in daytime or in a bright room
plasma seems not bright enough
I have a Toshiba 25' flat screen CRT .... its very good already for a small apartment
if I have money ... I am going to get a Sony widescreen CRT
 
kinigitt
errrrr. wrong answer.

Convential direct view CRT's offer the best picture as of yet. Pricy LCDs and plasmas still don't offer the brightness and black levels that direct views provide.

They're bulky and heavy, and the max size you can find them is under 50 inches, but they're also much cheaper. While plasmas are aimed at the high end consumer, they do not perform vastly better (sometimes much worse, actually) than a good 16:9, HDTV capable direct view. For gamers that want a nice big display and have the cash to pour into it, go with a DLP rear projection LCD, or if you're mister moneybags, a DLP HDTV projector.
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whoa whoa whoa, I didn't comment anything on quality. I was merely pointing out the fact that any non-HD capable TV WILL be obsolete within the near future so it would be wise to skip those. I also used the term CRT as in 99% of what people have in their homes, the bigass bulky/heavy 4:5 (or whatever the ratio is) ones. Projection is NOT the way to go with video games. Maybe some newer better ones are out that I'm not aware of, but the current ones played long enough will burn an image into the screen.
 
Civicbus
whoa whoa whoa, I didn't comment anything on quality. I was merely pointing out the fact that any non-HD capable TV WILL be obsolete within the near future so it would be wise to skip those. I also used the term CRT as in 99% of what people have in their homes, the bigass bulky/heavy 4:5 (or whatever the ratio is) ones. Projection is NOT the way to go with video games. Maybe some newer better ones are out that I'm not aware of, but the current ones played long enough will burn an image into the screen.
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If you mean 4:3 displays, then I agree with you; they're a thing of the past.

Burn in with current DLPs and plasmas is a myth, or at best, a gross exageration. Maybe with slightly older stuff (especially rear projection CRTs) it was a problem, but you'll be hard-pressed to find it occuring on even demo sets (the ones that are left on all day in showrooms) nowadays.
 
I was thinking of an alternate solution. I wanna hook up my ps2 to my computer monitor, which is a NEC 15" Multisync LCD 1530V. What is the best way of doing this? VGA Box (compliant with LCD)? TV tuner card??...i need some ideas cuz i think GT4 would look super crisp at 1024 x 768 on my PC LCD :dopey:
 
Carlos_23
SCART = Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs.

Meaning.. don't know...lol...:P
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No really lol I always tought it was another of those damn english name lol
seems like : c'est une abréviation française en fait ;)
 
amar212
Golden coating for European RGB SCART cables don't improve anything - the best RGB SCART cable money can but is an official Sony's RGB SCART cable. I was strictly reffering to that.

Word.
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That is not true. The Sony RGB cable does not use luminance as sync and therefore the picture shows artifacts/patterns. My Game Cube Y/C (s-video) cable has the same problem:

Composite/RCA:
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Y/C / S-Video:
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As you can see, there are visible artifacts/patterns in the s-video picture. the pictures looks way better than composite, but the patterns are annoying. That is because of the false type of sync. The Sony RGB cable has the problem. At least the one I bought some years ago. It is the grey cable on the following picture:
http://www.rouven-rult.de/bilder/kabel2.jpg (bigger picture, therefore no tag)

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For European televisions without YUV-In buy an RGB cable. The picture qualitiy is better than with a composite or a s-video cable. Someone already explained how these cables work, so I won´t explain it again. However the better quality is a result of a higher bandwith.

RCA/composite: 5 MHz for the whole video signal
Y/C / s-video: 5 MHz for luminance and 5 MHz for chrominance = 10 MHz overall
RGB: 5 Mhz for (the color) red, 5 Mhzfor green and 5 MHz for blue = 15 MHZ overall

You can say RGB -> s-video -> composite

Here is a comparison:
http://www.rouven-rult.de/bilder/progressivescan.jpg

RGB is about as good as YUV interlaced. The native color space of all three consoles (XBOX, GC, PS2 - even PAL) is YUV however. This means there is a color space conversion inside the PS2. And color space conversion means loss of quality, although I doubt someone will notice it. But I prefer YUV over RGB.
 
A TV I am thinking of getting is this- link
It's a CRT TV but has component input and accepts 1080i signal and costs a mere £514. Not too shabby I think.
Of course if I had the money I'd go for this But I don't...
 
I have a PAL system and a Philips 16:9 100Hz TV and my PS2 is just connected with the standard cables you get it with. But if I want better quality on my TV I have to buy RGB cable, right? How much does it costs?
 
Liquid Li0n
I have a PAL system and a Philips 16:9 100Hz TV and my PS2 is just connected with the standard cables you get it with. But if I want better quality on my TV I have to buy RGB cable, right? How much does it costs?
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18-30€ depending on the brand
 
I have the Sharp Aquos 20" HDTV compatible LCD 4:3 TV/Computer monitor. Other than this unit not being widescreen, it does a nice job for gaming. It handles 480p, 720p, and 1080i very nicely. It has 2 component, 1 S video, 1 composite, 1 analog, and 1 RGB for computer hookup. I have satellite tv, a computer, a Dreamcast/PS2/XBOX and a VCR connected to it. The tv was a bit pricey at just over a grand, but it was worth it to me to get rid of my HUGE CRT, as my gaming area is a bit small. I am very happy with the set and can't wait to run GT4 through it!
Bubba04
 
the Interceptor
- Component signal (YUV) is known to be the best, although I don't see much difference to RGB. You need a component input on your screen (red, green and blue plug) to be able to use this


Cheers,
the Interceptor
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...depending on the TV then I reckon... on my 50" Philips plasma the difference is just amazing ! -> far better with the "YUV" one...
 
Having both the S-Video and Component video cable on a 43" Sharp HDTV, I can say that Component is alot clearer, especially when you look at the B-Spec mode...

worth every penny imo...


the video cables I bought are OEM packaged by Sony .. Im not sure there are better ones, If there are any better component , I'd be more then willing to give it a try!! ;)
 
i just wish i have money to change my 9yrs old tv.... dun even have s-video!!! >_<
played GT4 at my friend's place with a smaller flat screen (not flat panel) still with regular composite cables, the images are still much sharper and brighter... makes me dun wanna play at home.. :P
 
I'm using a standard tv with a scart-rgb cable, just 3-4 euros everywhere in italy, and the result is flawless, clearly better than s-vhs. just make sure your tv supports this standard (I think blue scart-in means rgb compatible...) and your eyes will thank you

edit: the cable I am using is the same of the old psx, so, if you got one, you can use it instead of buying a new one, 100% compatible (and free :dopey: )
 

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