Twin Turbo Specific Kits - Why don't we have them available?

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I know some cars have twin turbo kits stock, like the premium 300ZX, but, there other cars actually have the ability to use either a single turbo or a twin turbo kit in real life.
The RX7 (FD) for example has aftermarket single turbo kits and aftermarket twin turbo kits available. The differences between a single turbo and a twin turbo are enough (in my opinion) to change the handling characteristics of a car, even if the power ends up being the same for either kit.



Also, there are twin turbo kits available in real life for some cars on GT5 with no forced induction (I think that is the right word) available in the game. These would include a bunch of Lamborghinis and Ferraris currently in GT5.
These are basically the only cars that I really have planned out how the part would be installed that would work correctly.

Murcielago & Murcielago LP670-SV - currently no forced induction kits
Ferrari 458 Italia - currently no forced induction kits
Gallardo LP560-4 - currently no forced induction kits
Ferrari F430 & F430 Scuderia - Currently no forced induction kits.

These are just some of the more notable examples of Twin Turbo kits available.

One issue with these twin turbo kits is that to get real power out of them, the engine needs to be modified. So, here is my solution for that issue:
  • Make "Twin Turbo Kit Engine" a seperate tiered tuning part in the Engine Tuning area of the Tuning Garage.
  • With the tier system, this will be the teir classes:
    Level 1 Twin Turbo Kit Engine = Install straight to engine.
    Level 2 Twin Turbo Kit Engine = Install to Turbo-modified engine.
    Level 3 Twin Turbo Kit Engine = Install to Highly Turbo-modified engine.​
  • Make the "Twin Turbo Kit Engine" modifications unable to be uninstalled.

This plan would only work with cars that currently have no forced induction kits available. This is because the "Engine Tuning" that is currently available in the Engine Tuning area of the garage is for tuning a N/A engine, not a forced induction engine.




I have no plan yet of how Twin Turbo Kits would work for cars with forced induction kits already available to purchase in GT5. But, if we can at least get some forced induction kits to cars that don't have any available, I think that would be a step in a positive direction.
 
vrs2000
Murcielago & Murcielago LP670-SV - currently no forced induction kits
Ferrari 458 Italia - currently no forced induction kits
Gallardo LP560-4 - currently no forced induction kits
Ferrari F430 & F430 Scuderia - Currently no forced induction kits.


WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?
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Because, why not have more power in these amazing supercars.

I am not one that drives those very often even. I love the cars between 420pp and 520pp and drive those very often. But, when I feel like being crazy with Ferraris and Lamborghinis, I want to be able to be as crazy as I possibly can.
 
I dunno I kinda think the other way, its fine to put a huge turbo on a skyline or a supra, but with lambo's, ferrari's(excluding f40) etc I feel its better to have them as they were meant to be NA ;)

Maybe there should be more NA tuning?
 
^Sorry I nubbed it,

Just in GT & RL I prefer to have cars like those mentioned as they were intended, but thats just my opinion.

There are plenty of other tuning methods that arent in gt5 ;)

OP: another thought how about being able to RM (some) of the supercars? then u can stick as many turbos on their as u want :)
 
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vrs2000
^Sorry I nubbed it,

Just in GT & RL I prefer to have cars like those mentioned as they were intended, but thats just my opinion.

There are plenty of other tuning methods that arent in gt5 ;)

OP: another thought how about being able to RM (some) of the supercars? then u can stick as many turbos on their as u want :)
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The problem with that is that there are RM versions of all those cars currently, and they aren't equipped with these powerful Twin Turbo kits because of the racing class regulations that they are built for.

Murcielago RSV-LM
Murcielago LP670 R-SV
Gallardo LP560-4 Super Trofeo
Ferrari F430 GT2/GTC
Ferrari F430 Scuderia GT2
Ferrari 458 Italia GT2
 
vrs2000
^Sorry I nubbed it,

Just in GT & RL I prefer to have cars like those mentioned as they were intended, but thats just my opinion.

There are plenty of other tuning methods that arent in gt5 ;)

OP: another thought how about being able to RM (some) of the supercars? then u can stick as many turbos on their as u want :)
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I agree here. What's the point on dropping turbos in every car, or having your garage full of 800hp cars. The beauty about the automotive industry is its diversity. But that's just me.

About the twin turbo option, that would be interesting to have this option in really small turbocharged engines. You could use a small/big turbo combo. Small for low rpms, and big for high rpms. That way you would eliminate turbo lag.
 
HuskyGT
I agree here. What's the point on dropping turbos in every car, or having your garage full of 800hp cars. The beauty about the automotive industry is its diversity. But that's just me.

About the twin turbo option, that would be interesting to have this option in really small turbocharged engines. You could use a small/big turbo combo. Small for low rpms, and big for high rpms. That way you would eliminate turbo lag.
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It's not even about eliminating lag. Twin turbo kits would make more power in cars that need it to make make good power. Cars like the s2k or even the 350z would be nice with more go. I also have to admit I NEED an 800 hp twin turbo corvette or camaro. You must admit some of the LPE/ Hennessy specials are too cool not to be replicated.
 
Have to agree with this, simply because it's possible in real life. As far as super cars I currently have 2 of each. Like the 458 and Aventador, one street version (because I like the clean stock look) and one I fully mod to perform in races, complete with a body kit and fixed wing.
 
vrs2000
^Sorry I nubbed it,

Just in GT & RL I prefer to have cars like those mentioned as they were intended, but thats just my opinion.

There are plenty of other tuning methods that arent in gt5 ;)

OP: another thought how about being able to RM (some) of the supercars? then u can stick as many turbos on their as u want :)
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You have to listen to some Lambos and Ferarris with a Turbo/Supercharger. Espically a turboed Lamborghini, they sound like music to the ears, trust me. ;)

HuskyGT
I agree here. What's the point on dropping turbos in every car, or having your garage full of 800hp cars. The beauty about the automotive industry is its diversity. But that's just me.

About the twin turbo option, that would be interesting to have this option in really small turbocharged engines. You could use a small/big turbo combo. Small for low rpms, and big for high rpms. That way you would eliminate turbo lag.
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But also being unique and innovative is another thing that adds to diversity too. ;)

Yeah I understand what you and vrs2000 are saying but you have to listen to some of the NA cars with either forced induction applied with them. Even though I love to listen to a NA VQ of a 350/370/G35/G37 or the high reving of a VTEC F20/F22 and a C30/C32 of the S2000 and the NSX. But turbo charge them, you will be in shock with their new power numbers and the beauitful spooling noises from the turbo.



savage388
It's not even about eliminating lag. Twin turbo kits would make more power in cars that need it to make make good power. Cars like the s2k or even the 350z would be nice with more go. I also have to admit I NEED an 800 hp twin turbo corvette or camaro. You must admit some of the LPE/ Hennessy specials are too cool not to be replicated.
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I'm with you there! ;)👍

But with twin turbos setup the car has less lag even in bigger horsepower numbers. Because a Skyline GTR with 800awhp with lag isn't a good thing for racing, even everyday driving, it will put stress on the engine and the turbo system, plus the car I mentioned has a TT setup stock. So for a NSX-R or even a Corvette Z06/ZR1, you want them to have little or no lag at all even with a medium sized single turbo(which has less lag than a large single turbo).

Less lag always means more power. Even if your car has torque, lag will slow its power and in a heated race or a time attack, in which is not a good invite to your car IMO.
 
VspecZR1GT2RS89
I'm with you there! ;)👍

But with twin turbos setup the car has less lag even in bigger horsepower numbers. Because a Skyline GTR with 800awhp with lag isn't a good thing for racing, even everyday driving, it will put stress on the engine and the turbo system, plus the car I mentioned has a TT setup stock. So for a NSX-R or even a Corvette Z06/ZR1, you want them to have little or no lag at all even with a medium sized single turbo(which has less lag than a large single turbo).

Less lag always means more power. Even if your car has torque, lag will slow its power and in a heated race or a time attack, in which is not a good invite to your car IMO.
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With smaller engines reducing lag is a big help, especially for racing. But 900+ horsepower plus even from bigger engines always have lag and aren't made for circuit racing anyway. Gt5 doesn't even take boost buildup or lag into consideration anyway. Lag isn't bad, big power comes at a cost, even with two smaller turbos and I would welcome some realistic lag from an 850 horsepower r34 or corvette.
 
vrs2000
^Sorry I nubbed it,

Just in GT & RL I prefer to have cars like those mentioned as they were intended, but thats just my opinion.

There are plenty of other tuning methods that arent in gt5 ;)

OP: another thought how about being able to RM (some) of the supercars? then u can stick as many turbos on their as u want :)
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As they were intended? Just because a car comes NA doesn't mean that it can't be force inducted. Who set this rule that a NA Ferrari or Lamborghini shouldn't be supercharged or turbocharged?

HuskyGT
I agree here. What's the point on dropping turbos in every car, or having your garage full of 800hp cars. The beauty about the automotive industry is its diversity. But that's just me.

About the twin turbo option, that would be interesting to have this option in really small turbocharged engines. You could use a small/big turbo combo. Small for low rpms, and big for high rpms. That way you would eliminate turbo lag.
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That's the idea of sequential turbocharging in the first place. Having two turbos on the same bank to eliminate the lag produced by the first one and create almost automatic power like that seen in superchargers. :ouch:

Not having two different size turbos.
The RM versions have better tuned and refined NA engines. You don't need to supercharge and turbocharge those.
 
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savage388
With smaller engines reducing lag is a big help, especially for racing. But 900+ horsepower plus even from bigger engines always have lag and aren't made for circuit racing anyway. Gt5 doesn't even take boost buildup or lag into consideration anyway. Lag isn't bad, big power comes at a cost, even with two smaller turbos and I would welcome some realistic lag from an 850 horsepower r34 or corvette.
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Which is true, but even with bigger or smaller engines, does the lag get in the way of the car in a drag racing event or a drift event?

Even in the 1/4 mile you need all the power from your engine and that isn't a great idea because for this short period of time the engine needs to use it power with no problems, just like a good or perfect shifting to achieve the quickest time.

Same with drifting without lag. If a Silvia S15's SR engine with a large turbo will have a harder time engaging in a drift than one with a smaller turbo or one with two turbos. Though lag in the turbo engined cars are natural. But when you need the performance from the engine, that's when lag becomes the problem, it dosen't care if it's a Skyline, Supra, Corvette, Viper, 911 GT2 or a Bugatti Veryon; SR20DET to a customed tri-turboed 8.3 V10.

Though a little amount of lag is okay, but it is still looked down by thousands of people and tuners.
 
Having twin turbos instead of one makes very little difference to the driving physics of the car (especially as lag is not modelled very well). And with todays turbo technology, there is actually very little difference in lag between a twin and a single setup.

Most twin turbo setups exist for ease of plumbing with a V-type engine config.

It is for these reasons why I think adding a twin turbo option in tuning would be pointless.
 
We should first have the ability to control the boost ourself. Upping those stock turbo psi could be a cheap method to gain HP.
 
MasterFocus
We should first have the ability to control the boost ourself. Upping those stock turbo psi could be a cheap method to gain HP.
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Agree'd. Sadly, something so simple as that (which was even in GT1), has been left out. :(

Now, I'm no so sure we need a twin turbo although it would be neat. I think a Stage 4 would suffice. PD still needs to ad proper Supercharger whine & maybe even a blower somewhere down the line. Things I imagine might come with an official Drag mode. Who knows, maybe it would include Twin turbo set ups. But who knows?
 
XPLOSV
Most twin turbo setups exist for ease of plumbing with a V-type engine config.
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this and in the case of older vehicles twins were used to increase streetability (ie. one low lag small turbo that ran out of steam in the upper rpms and one bigger turbo that worked great at high rpms but lacked in the low range)

since racing involves staying in the upper rpms, a little snail is not needed.
 
As of now there is a guy working on a TT lp670 sv
He has already taken out the 4wd to make it 200kgs lighter
And the goal of that build is 1600 horsepower (or was it 1500?)

1600hp rwd twin turbo mucielago sv? yes please
 
Antonisbob
Agree'd. Sadly, something so simple as that (which was even in GT1), has been left out. :(

Now, I'm no so sure we need a twin turbo although it would be neat. I think a Stage 4 would suffice. PD still needs to ad proper Supercharger whine & maybe even a blower somewhere down the line. Things I imagine might come with an official Drag mode.Who knows, maybe it would include Twin turbo set ups. But who knows?
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This will never happen so we can all just quit wishing.
 
themartlab
There's never enough!
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As a result of this obsession with power and going in a straight line, the cars that come from this country can only do straight line until recently they found out that there's a place in Germany called the Nurburgring :lol:
 
dr3w
As a result of this obsession with power and going in a straight line, the cars that come from this country can only do straight line until recently they found out that there's a place in Germany called the Nurburgring :lol:
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I prefer acceleration than top speed. Wouldn't be fun keeping a 1000hp E46 M3 on the track?
 

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