Two simple things missing from GT5 and most racing games.

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For some reason, in 99% of the racing games I play there are 2 minor things that are left out that really bother me.

Would it kill game developers to include some single-lug racing wheels in a game? I mean I want to make race cars with high-end super cars, or cars with odd bolt patterns (Dodge Viper) and there are no wheels that look right. Some of the worlds fastest and most beautiful cars are burdened with ugly wheels i.e: Mclaren F1. I just can't put 5 lugs on a car that never even came with them in the first place.

And the second minor thing. Why can't we have the ability to paint stock wheels? Thats all.

And for real...Please no responses about 2 fast 2 furious, rice, young punk crap. I have played various N4S titles, arcadey racers etc. I know the difference.
 
Centerlock, not single lug. A single lug wheel would be a very bad thing. Also, you definitely can change the bolt pattern on cars if you want, it would obviously cost more than a regular wheel swap, but it's not "fake".

Both options you mention would be cool from a visual standpoint but wouldn't be high on my wishlist.
 
And I thought you were going to ask for an accurately modeled cup holder on virtual interiors... that's A LOT more useful than painted wheels...

Honestly, there are many more useful things for a racing simulator: engine swaps, wider tires and wheels, turbo boost, tires pressure, etc, etc. The way the wheels look are not that important.
 
More racing wheels - Yes, definately.
5-lug wheels on a McLaren F1 - Couldn't care less. I'd put 4-lug wheels on a Ferrari if they looked good.
Painting stock wheels - Yes, especially on standard cars.
 
SpeedKills
Would it kill game developers to include some single-lug racing wheels in a game? I mean I want to make race cars with high-end super cars, or cars with odd bolt patterns (Dodge Viper) and there are no wheels that look right. Some of the worlds fastest and most beautiful cars are burdened with ugly wheels i.e: Mclaren F1. I just can't put 5 lugs on a car that never even came with them in the first place.
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Like freedomweasel said, those are call center locks, not single lug wheels.

But do you have any idea how much engineering must be done to make sure that the replacement hubs will match the performance of the original hubs, especially in a high performance car? Since so many forces go through the wheels, lug nuts, hubs and connected suspension components, it is not trivial to simply just "change the bolt pattern" and keep the weight and associated driving characteristics the same.
 
Crash852
Like freedomweasel said, those are call center locks, not single lug wheels.

But do you have any idea how much engineering must be done to make sure that the replacement hubs will match the performance of the original hubs, especially in a high performance car? Since so many forces go through the wheels, lug nuts, hubs and connected suspension components, it is not trivial to simply just "change the bolt pattern" and keep the weight and associated driving characteristics the same.
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actually changing the bolt pattern would be pretty easy and have little affect on anything as long as the wheel stays in the same geometric place. If you were to move the lugs in or out then you are redesigning everything from the ground up.
 
There are way more important things- like how you can't turn on the A/C in the cars. The car in real life has A/C, I want my A/C. Goddamnit I can feel the virtual heat.

They really missed some obvious stuff in this game.
 
speedracer_-44
actually changing the bolt pattern would be pretty easy and have little affect on anything as long as the wheel stays in the same geometric place. If you were to move the lugs in or out then you are redesigning everything from the ground up.
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You have to look at what the stress and strain of the hub and each of the bolt holes would be when you change the bolt pattern under both maximum load case and under typical load case. Changing the amount of holes will change how loading force is "distributed" to the hub. Specific stiffness may also be affected. Depending on how the hubs were originally designed, changing the bolt pattern will most likely change the factor of safety, possibly to an unacceptable level.
 
Zabiela
There are way more important things- like how you can't turn on the A/C in the cars. The car in real life has A/C, I want my A/C. Goddamnit I can feel the virtual heat.

They really missed some obvious stuff in this game.
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Yeah, and why can't we turn the heater on when on snow tracks?

I swear PD don't care about the customer.
 
Its threads like this that depress me about the state of humanity. Not the OP I hasten to add, he has a right to his opinion, he doesn't say that PD should drop everything and get what he wants into the game, he just says something that bothers him. Yet out of the woodwork comes the smarmy replies and downright rudeness. It seems that any thread with the barest hint of criticising the game gets the usual types out of the woodwork. Got nothing contructive to add to the thread then don't bother posting.
 
robbo6
Its threads like this that depress me about the state of humanity. Not the OP I hasten to add, he has a right to his opinion, he doesn't say that PD should drop everything and get what he wants into the game, he just says something that bothers him. Yet out of the woodwork comes the smarmy replies and downright rudeness. It seems that any thread with the barest hint of criticising the game gets the usual types out of the woodwork. Got nothing contructive to add to the thread then don't bother posting.
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To be fair, your post is hardly "constructive" - at least the ones hitting out at the OP were highlighting how trivial the things they have requested are through use of mocking comparison. There are after all, bigger issues than whether you can change and paint wheels.

Your post by comparison merely encourages people like me to reply arguing against it, which only results in the thread turning into an argument.

The fact is, what the OP has said in a roundabout way is exactly the same as what others have said many times over. More wheels. More paint options. I think the mockery gives a good indication as to how high up the list of importance these things are.
 
CarreraGT
One of the most pointless threads I have seen of late. There are much more pressing issues with GT5, like AI perhaps?
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No, lack of A-Spec events - and B-Spec as well, and which use more of the tracks.
 
yes, there are more pressing issues... but Come on can't paint standard cars rims only 1/5th of the cars are premium and some are the toyota prius the mistubishi mien and 3 fairlady Z's + countless other ones that no one will ever drive, the others are race cars or like the 12 nascars where you can't change the rims either. I agree with the post; if they can't give us more rims and rim swaps on standard cars, what chance do we have that they will fix the other major issues.
 
Crash
You have to look at what the stress and strain of the hub and each of the bolt holes would be when you change the bolt pattern under both maximum load case and under typical load case. Changing the amount of holes will change how loading force is "distributed" to the hub. Specific stiffness may also be affected. Depending on how the hubs were originally designed, changing the bolt pattern will most likely change the factor of safety, possibly to an unacceptable level.
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You're making it sound like rocket science, when it isn't. It's really not that big of a deal to change.
 
Kievit
You're making it sound like rocket science, when it isn't. It's really not that big of a deal to change.
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Most conversions I've seen are via "adapters" that add wheel weight (and may reduce strength, meaning, not meant to race use). They're for cosmetic purposes only.

Since there's no benefit in the game (and limited benefit as an aftermarket part in the real world) I'm not sure why anyone is really missing this...
 
SpeedKills
For some reason, in 99% of the racing games I play there are 2 minor things that are left out that really bother me.

Would it kill game developers to include some single-lug racing wheels in a game? I mean I want to make race cars with high-end super cars, or cars with odd bolt patterns (Dodge Viper) and there are no wheels that look right. Some of the worlds fastest and most beautiful cars are burdened with ugly wheels i.e: Mclaren F1. I just can't put 5 lugs on a car that never even came with them in the first place.
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Ridiculous. It takes months and years for the designers to create a couple hundred cars with visible interiors, people are complaining that there's still 800 cars left to go and you're complaining about this? failblog.com

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And the second minor thing. Why can't we have the ability to paint stock wheels? Thats all.

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I would agree here, I'd also like to see ability for us to swap rims on Standards, just like we did in GT2, GT3, and GT4. I believe this could be coming via DLC, but I'm not sure if it take new programming on PD's part.
 
So far of all the years I've played racing games I still have yet to found a single game that allows me to buy rims with proper offsets. You either have rims which are either have offsets that follows the cars original wheel offsets or have a pre-determined offsets chosen in game without you have a choice on what offset you want. Closest game I found that had custom offsets were NFS: ProStreet, but even that it still doesn't affect the the stance as much... (meaning, the rims would have a deep or small offsets but the track length would still be the same)

Also I've had yet to see a game which includes cut springs. Seriously, why not? Its cheap and fun, and you get your car to drive at a ground scraping heights... :p
 
A few center lock wheels from race cars were available in the used wheel section of GT4.

Stock wheels probably cannot be painted because of licensing issues. Like you mentioned, I have yet to see that in a game. It's not only painting of OE wheels that is missing, but also resizing of the wheels in games that allow the option. It could be something that developers have considered to be of little consequence, and simply have not explored in terms of the licensing.
 
GTShadowKing
Sorry if this a stupid question, but what is a single-lub wheel?:p
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He meant "center lock". Take a look at an LMP car, there is a single large nut that fixes the wheel, instead of a more traditional 5 lug wheel which has 5 smaller connections around the center, like on a regular road car.

Center locks are faster to change wheels but are heavier.

Compare this picture to the wheel in your avatar. The Porsche has centerlocks, and your Lamborghini has 5 lugs.
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freedomweasel
He meant "center lock". Take a look at an LMP car, there is a single large nut that fixes the wheel, instead of a more traditional 5 lug wheel which has 5 smaller connections around the center, like on a regular road car.

Center locks are faster to change wheels but are heavier.

Compare this picture to the wheel in your avatar. The Porsche has centerlocks, and your Lamborghini has 5 lugs.
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Oh, thanks mate:tup:
I was thinking that it was some kind of wheel like Logitech, or Thrustmaster...:dunce:, not the...car's wheels:)
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