Tyre and PP

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Why doesn't changing from sports tyres to racing tyres increase the PP? It's the biggest increase in performance you can get.

I'm sick of going online and people using racing tyres on sports cars and when I ask them to change it to sports only they act like I'm asking a stupid question.

Considering you get most sports cars with sports hard tyres, an upgrade to sports soft is considerable. I never have anything more than sports soft on a sports car.

YOU HEAR ME PD?
 
I know what you mean mate.
People praise GT for it's great console physics.

Then stick superglue handling mode on via racing tyre.

Barmy, it should atleast effect the PP system.

Good job I don't play anymore.
 
I totally agree
The only real thing to do is set up your own races with tire restrictions
But adding tires to pp would be a good thing you can chose extra power or softer tires

I'll use harder tires with extra power personally better consistency and faster average lap time and fewer pits I'm endurance events.
 
Oh thats not the only thing that's wrong believe me.One of the MANY along with this is that finding a track online is a :ouch: moment.PD do not listen to or show concern for it's buyers it seems..But just my 2 cents,try not to setup a thread like this.Narrow minded haters gonna hate.;)
 
Didn't the tyres originally effect PP? They did in GT5:P andIi believe they did in GT5 until V1.07 (odd considering PP was only added in V1.06)
 
Toronado
Tires were originally included in PP, but people were Min-Maxing so they took it out.
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Yes that's right. Originally PD included the tirechoice in the PP calculation, however as always someone started to rant about it and kaboom they are not included any more.

As always PD "improves" the game very wisely.
 
I'm sick of all the racing soft rooms online myself. Its funny though, some people still can't race worth a 🤬 with them. :lol:
 
plate88
I'm sick of all the racing soft rooms online myself. Its funny though, some people still can't race worth a 🤬 with them. :lol:
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Applying racing soft tyres to a car improves the driving behaviour of the car. However so does propper tuning, and for people who don't know how to tune the suspension, gear ratio and all the other stuff it's easier to just change the tires, and get better handling in the turns as would you get with propper suspension tuning. The higher grip you get when accerlerating out of the corner can also be compared to a propper LSD tuning and experience with the trottle. The reduction in the braking distance could be compared with driving with ASB 1 instead of 5 or higher.

So for a begginer who doesn't know how to drive and tune propperly it's just easier to change tires without giving them an overwhelming advantage. However when driving against a experienced player racing softs give them a significant advantage because all the advantages from above are combined with propper tuning and experience.
 
stadti
Applying racing soft tyres to a car improves the driving behaviour of the car. However so does propper tuning, and for people who don't know how to tune the suspension, gear ratio and all the other stuff it's easier to just change the tires, and get better handling in the turns as would you get with propper suspension tuning. The higher grip you get when accerlerating out of the corner can also be compared to a propper LSD tuning and experience with the trottle. The reduction in the braking distance could be compared with driving with ASB 1 instead of 5 or higher.

So for a begginer who doesn't know how to drive and tune propperly it's just easier to change tires without giving them an overwhelming advantage. However when driving against a experienced player racing softs give them a significant advantage because all the advantages from above are combined with propper tuning and experience.
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A beginner should be using a slow car to begin with. Its easier with that compound because the thresh hold is very wide when compared to a sport or comfort tire. Even with race softs, I will still try to take that car to its limits.
 
I think it's great that tyres are not included in the PP.

Let's say that I run a room where we are going to do a longer race (150 km or so). I put the max PP to 615. Tyres are optional. That means that it's up to the driver if he/she want to pull fast laps but do 2 pit stops, or stay concistant with racing hards and only pit once.

This kind of regulations could never be achieved if tyres was included in the PP. Because if it was, the one who starts the race on hards would probably tune the car to stay within the PP limit, and then throw the softs on in the next pit.

And if you think that most rooms only use race softs and that's boring to you. Just change room or create your own. 👍
 
It's always faster with racing softs no matter what strategy you are on. I've yet to enter a public room where the lap count is so much that I would need to think about tyre strategy.

I've wasted about a week trying to sort out my garage to give me a decent chance of a good race online, but there's only about a 1 in 10 chance of good public room racing. I'm not gonna go through all my normal cars and buy a 36G pair of racing tyres.

I made a thread in the online section asking for online racing purists, got about 10 people to add which is good.
 
Denilson
I think it's great that tyres are not included in the PP.

Let's say that I run a room where we are going to do a longer race (150 km or so). I put the max PP to 615. Tyres are optional. That means that it's up to the driver if he/she want to pull fast laps but do 2 pit stops, or stay concistant with racing hards and only pit once. 👍
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I thought It has been proved that both tires wear out the same.

Soft tires wear out because they are a softer compound.

Hard tires wear because of the lack of grip and sliding increases the wear.

Basically the tires last the same amount of laps but soft tires give you advantage due to maybe 5 secs a lap quicker.

That was my findings when I played anyway.

Has this been addressed in a patch or can anyone else who plays confirm this.

Being able to set tire strategy was a bonus to me but they screwed it up.
 
Hard (racing) compounds last longer if you care to go easy on them. Doing a 8:40ish rather than a 8:30ish on the 4 hours Nürburgring endurance gave me ~ 5 seconds bonus on the 5th lap, which was the one I pitted. Also fuel consumption dropped from 60 to 58 litres per 5 laps, adding another 2 seconds saved in the pits. That's of course only important in endurance races if you like your last lap on relatively good tyres.

Also dialing out the understeer helped conserving front tyres the way I drive. I prefer a slight oversteer in my cars. Finally setting brake bias to the rear was the final touch.

Compared to GT4 it's much harder to get some extra life out of the tyres.

From what I have learned most tune their cars to maximum grip adding way too much camber. As I only run offline races I prefer a balanced car and I don't do short races anymore, save the seasonals.

Personally I like tyres not adding to the PP. I dread to think back to my Forza 2 days: It was always a hassle when grip tuned cars on slicks met with speed tunes on sports. The latter took the lead on the straights only to be a road block in corners. Very annoying indeed.

Rather have a set compound and leave the rest to tuning. Keeps the field more level that way.
 
I also happen to think it was a good decision to remove tyres from the PP calculation.

Tyres are the only thing you can change in the race, so you would alter the PPs by switching to another compound. That would make PP-restrictions useless.

I honestly don't understand where the problem is when you're free to use a combination of PP- and tyre-restriction.
 
Yup. Tires were included in original PP calculation. But, after complaints they were removed. The logic is that hosts can set separate PP and tire restrictions.

But, when I create a room with Sports Soft restriction nobody joins. I like 550 PP and SS tire races. When I'm in a private lounge with friends we race this setting and it's a lot of fun.
 
JEMcG
Why doesn't changing from sports tyres to racing tyres increase the PP? It's the biggest increase in performance you can get.

I'm sick of going online and people using racing tyres on sports cars and when I ask them to change it to sports only they act like I'm asking a stupid question.

Considering you get most sports cars with sports hard tyres, an upgrade to sports soft is considerable. I never have anything more than sports soft on a sports car.

YOU HEAR ME PD?
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It doesn't effect the PP system because the tires are simply being treated like a rule, not a performance part. This is a great improvement to me, since the mismatched tire racing in GT5P was a little annoying.

As for tires, create and room with a Sports tire limit and everything is fine.
 
stadti
Yes that's right. Originally PD included the tirechoice in the PP calculation, however as always someone started to rant about it and kaboom they are not included any more.

As always PD "improves" the game very wisely.
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That's definitely NOT an improvement.
 
For a very short while I figured best tires might as well you them.
Man was I wrong.
I use a G27 and on softs the cat feels dead.
Never again above racing hard.
Plus its a waste of money.
 
I quickly figured out that the PP system tells you NOTHING about the handling & performance of the car.

You can have 2 cars, same pp, wildly different handling, wildly different power, wildly different torque... The difference with tires is diddly bop compared to all the other differences.
At least tires are something you can restrict to!

A good thread I found about the PP rating system flaws is here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=196351

Personally, I have not been able to glean why you can't set restrictions with ALL the options.

Like if you host a race, you should be able to say the cars have to have a 475pp cap, a 300hp cap, a minimum weight of 1200kg, and sports soft or less.
All at the same time!
(just taking numbers at random - that would be a pretty weird set of cars haha)

Even better would be if you could restrict for light cars, like have a MAXIMUM weight... restrict for drivetrain and class of car, and even tuning. This is possible because they do it for the seasonal cups & the aspec stuff... So why is it not an option when you host a race?
MYSTERY!

So most online leagues seem to restrict themselves... and sometimes some restrictions are an honour system.

stadti
However when driving against a experienced player racing softs give them a significant advantage because all the advantages from above are combined with propper tuning and experience.
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I've thought this same thing... Yet people always seem to say that racing tires gives newbies & especially "bad drivers" an advantage. I've never been able to understand that since, if EVERYONE is on slicks, doesn't everyone get the advantage? And the better drivers will still have it on the newbies...
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It's as if people think bad, unclean, cheater player types somehow suddenly become invincible on racing tires, but if you make the dirty tricksters put on sports tires, they're suddenly going to behave themselves?
I've never understood that reasoning, and I've never seen it explained. It's just handed down as a tenet that unruly kids can't bunt, block, and cheat unless they're on slicks. LOL And that's totally not true. I've seen plenty of unclean dirty tricks on lesser tires!
At least it's what it seems like people are saying. :D
 
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