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Has anyone noticed the AI's useless with tyre strategy?

I just started the Polyphony Cup in an NSX (Type Zero, I think) and ran the race on super hard tyres.

The nearest competition, the Nissan Z Concept car, stopped on lap 7, 13 and then lap 19 of 20 - who the hell would stop at the end of the second last lap!!!

I had the race well in hand, having my made my one stop at lap 12 (I always stop 2 or 3 laps after halfway so the tyres are fresher at the end in case I have to fight for the win) counting on the Z car making 2 stops, and I was astounded to see it make the third stop.
 
Interesting. In the European version (I guess it's equal in the NTSC one), in the Profi the FF/MH/4WD etc. races are terrible, my opponents NEVER use a stop in a total of 10 rounds. Neither they do it in the Boxer Spirit, Race of Turbo & NA and some more. Only in the Series (European, Gran Tourismo etc.) they do, but never the leading CPU (2nd one, because I'm always ahead :-p) goes in the box the last round, although all other racers DO. Strange? You bet!
 
Originally posted by vat_man
Has anyone noticed the AI's useless with tyre strategy?

I just started the Polyphony Cup in an NSX (Type Zero, I think) and ran the race on super hard tyres.

The nearest competition, the Nissan Z Concept car, stopped on lap 7, 13 and then lap 19 of 20 - who the hell would stop at the end of the second last lap!!!

I had the race well in hand, having my made my one stop at lap 12 (I always stop 2 or 3 laps after halfway so the tyres are fresher at the end in case I have to fight for the win) counting on the Z car making 2 stops, and I was astounded to see it make the third stop.
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i hope your not complaining.... this is a good thing isn't it? :confused:
 
sometimes I'm torn - the obvious choice is to go for as hard a compound as possible and just last longer than the AI fools who are prone to pitting on penultimate laps etc, or go for mediums, bank on them making at least one stop and get the benefit of better grip.

Either way, the longer the race, the better chance you have because the computer will always pit in when tyres go red and you don't need to.
 
When i did the Laguna Seca Endurance race the Gillet Vertigo stoped on lap 55! That was his only stop but he got 5th!
 
When i did the Laguna Seca Endurance race the Gillet Vertigo stoped on lap 55! That was his only stop but he got 5th!
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I haven't done that race yet so I don't know how close it is the first part of the race ... BUT ... how in the world do you keep up with the lap count of all the cars? I only pay attention to the one or two that are in close competition with me.

On the Cote de Azure (sp?) I was racing a GT One, expecting the 787B to do about 15 laps between pits. I was surprised when it pit on the 4th lap, but even more surprised when I got a full 8 laps before my tires were costing me more time than a pit would.

I usually only get 5 or 6 laps in the GT One before I pit, but I run on medium tires. Is that unusual, or am I on target? How often do you guys pit, what makes you decide to pit, what do you do to lengthen your lap count between pits?

~LoudMusic
 
Well it was actually on my lap 55 which was his 40 or somewhere around there. There are 90laps in the Laguna Seca Enduro, i think 90 not quite sure.

I pit every 5-7 laps on Mediums in my F094/S, i dont use mediums on any other car, Slicks or Super-Slicks all the way.

I decide to pit when at least one of my tires is blood red!

Take the corners easier and at slower speeds.
 
If I'm trying to preserve tyres I generally try braking earlier.

Heavy braking destroys front tyres, but also if you're braking earlier you're not counting on the initial turn-in doing part of the braking for you, so you take the pressure off the tyres with your initial turn it.

A good guide is actually the tyre noise in the game - if you can drive gently enough to avoid making the tyres groan, you're maximising the life of your tyres.

Brake early, easy turn it, and ease the throttle in as you pass the apex.

A pit stop will cost you around 20-30 seconds, once you figure in slowing, the time in pit lane, the time stopped and the time accelerating out again.

If you can save a pitstop in an Enduro by careful driving, you'll be well ahead.

Often, by driving more gently you find your times improve anyway!
 
Originally posted by vat_man

Often, by driving more gently you find your times improve anyway!
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True enuff-I have found that telling myself to drive more slowly often helps....I tend to keep my foot in it, you know? :burnout:
 
Originally posted by risingson77


True enuff-I have found that telling myself to drive more slowly often helps....I tend to keep my foot in it, you know? :burnout:
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:D

Guilty as charged - what's the point of having a high horsepower car if you can't slide it around!!

It was really noticeable with the stock NSX (well, apart from tyres) in the Polyphony Cup - you don't have a whole bunch of HP, and being mid-engined you shouldn't really upset it too much on the way into the corner because with the comparative lack of grunt you lose too much time recovering - slow in fast out really worked well, but I noticed I was carrying more speed through the corner more neutrally (ie. no over/understeer) and, particularly down the backstraight, having to grab fifth in the tunnel before the third gear right.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
Has anyone noticed the AI's useless with tyre strategy?

I just started the Polyphony Cup in an NSX (Type Zero, I think) and ran the race on super hard tyres.

The nearest competition, the Nissan Z Concept car, stopped on lap 7, 13 and then lap 19 of 20 - who the hell would stop at the end of the second last lap!!!

I had the race well in hand, having my made my one stop at lap 12 (I always stop 2 or 3 laps after halfway so the tyres are fresher at the end in case I have to fight for the win) counting on the Z car making 2 stops, and I was astounded to see it make the third stop.
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Yeah, but in the Amateur Mode it's even worse. Anyways why are you using an NSX. Im using the Toyota GT1 Road Car, and it runs like a dream. Im on the 6th race so far(Apricott Hill 2).
Oh and by the way I got super-slick tires on it, and they last me the whole 20 laps.
 
Originally posted by Supra897

Yeah, but in the Amateur Mode it's even worse. Anyways why are you using an NSX. Im using the Toyota GT1 Road Car, and it runs like a dream. Im on the 6th race so far(Apricott Hill 2).
Oh and by the way I got super-slick tires on it, and they last me the whole 20 laps.
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Er - because my GT1 road car makes over 1000 hp and weighs a lot less than when I first got it...

I thought this series was the equivalent of the old Production series (can't remember the correct name) from GT1 where you couldn't even touch the tyres, let alone anything mechanical. I had a look at the preview and see what was competitive, and picked one of those cars - actually, I tried a Viper at Midfield but it proceeded to destroy its tyres - but that was on standard tyres, before I realised you could change tyres.

I must I actually really enjoyed the race at Trial Mountain. I'm really enjoying driving with the Logitech wheel and drivng the NSX at its comparatively sedate pace really brought home how good the force feedback is, and also how good the graphics are - it was nice to have a bit of time heading down the back straight to look around.

The NSX was also quite rewarding to drive - I actually really enjoy driving cars where you need to maintain high corner speeds because you don't have the power to make up for it on the straights.

I won by a heap - lapped a couple of cars, got in by well over 40 seconds.
 
I should point my tyres were only just past yellow when I changed them.

I hate finishing on screwed tyres - finishing with a fastest lap is always a nice flourish.

Sends the message 'you know how I flogged you? Well, I could have gone even quicker!!!'
 
'you know how I flogged you? Well, I could have gone even quicker!!!'
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Ha! Trash talking the computer, that's funny.

Im using the Toyota GT1 Road Car, and it runs like a dream. ... Oh and by the way I got super-slick tires on it, and they last me the whole 20 laps.
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Man the GT1 Road Car is what I'm using now, it IS a DREAM. I think I was running 12 to 15 laps on medium tires. Oh, I did the Super Speedway endurance in it too, and only pit once because my hand hurt. Even with all four tires screaming 'CHANGE ME!!!' the car was still handling pretty good, even if just on a loop track. I was only loosing about 1.5 seconds per lap because of bad tires, and chaning them would have taken more time than I was loosing. On the endurance tracks I have enough laps to calculate all those numbers in my head [math r0x!] (:

Ok, someone explain this one for me. On the Test Course races, I still get tire wear about the same per mile. I'm not cornering my car hard and I'm surely not breaking hard. What's causing the tire wear on this track? Does extream speed really tear up tires that much if it's consistant?

~LoudMusic

ps: I want my 787B sooooo bad. HAIL ROTOR POWER!!
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Ha! Trash talking the computer, that's funny.

Ok, someone explain this one for me. On the Test Course races, I still get tire wear about the same per mile. I'm not cornering my car hard and I'm surely not breaking hard. What's causing the tire wear on this track? Does extream speed really tear up tires that much if it's consistant?

~LoudMusic

ps: I want my 787B sooooo bad. HAIL ROTOR POWER!!
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Trash talking (called sledging down here): Yeah, I know - I play alone. If you have one close opponent it helps to focus - like that gold NSX in the production car cup in GT1.

The tyre wear on the test track is because the tyres are completed loaded with lateral grip - the banking balances between forward and sideways speed, and of course you've got no downforce on so you're pretty reliant on mechanical group.

Think of this way - you're cornering at well over 200mph - that can't be good for your tyres.

The 787B is special - if only it had a sixth gear....
 
I dunno...I have the 787B in Arcade Mode, and it doesn't need a sixth gear.

To reiterate what I said in an earlier post:

This is the car God would drive if He had to.

:)
 
I plan on doing the Polyphony Digital Cup next. I have an untuned Speed 12 to do it with. Does anyone know how the tires are likely to respond, ie I imagine I will need to pit as these are 20 lap races, so what tires will last me 10 - 11 laps, also should I run harder tires on the rear?

How about the competition, what are their pit strategies?
 
Originally posted by TwinTurbo
I plan on doing the Polyphony Digital Cup next. I have an untuned Speed 12 to do it with. Does anyone know how the tires are likely to respond, ie I imagine I will need to pit as these are 20 lap races, so what tires will last me 10 - 11 laps, also should I run harder tires on the rear?

How about the competition, what are their pit strategies?
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I used the Zonda c12s for that race and it won too easily. From memory I pitted half distance and was using T3 (Hard) slicks. The Speed 12 however is alot more powerful and is likely to go through tires much quicker. I would make sure you had some T2 (Super Hard) just in case the T3 wear out too quick.
 
I used the Zonda c12s for that race and it won too easily.
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UGH! I can't stand the Zonda, it feels like it's floating, no traction at all. The Zonda races in Professional Leauge were my hardest ones so far. And all you win is ANOTHER ZONDA! Gotta get those golds though (:

What do you do to the Zonda to make it drive like a 'normal' race car? I've gone through all the normal tweaks but can't seem to make it stick to the road. I'd like to drive it because it looks and sounds really awsome.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


What do you do to the Zonda to make it drive like a 'normal' race car?

~LoudMusic
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I don't know off hand? Maybe the car just suits my driving style. I have friends that hate that car aswell, but I can do some pretty quick times using it!
 

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