Ultra Noob Question: Option Stream Z cannot win against stock Z33

[VietMan04]

I started playing Gt4 again, and I'm for some reason I CANNOT get my Nissan Option Steam Z to win the Club “Z” Tokyo race. I even tried B-Spec mode and the computer couldn't even win.

I have no idea if I changed some absolutely crucial setting for the car or what but it just cannot gain a lead. I tried with driving aids all on and off, but I did notice the car tends to understeer (as in taking turns is the most tedious thing ever). It can overtake on straightaways but on the rest of the course, it has no advantage over the other Z's because it handles so poorly. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MY CAR??

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This race is worth 1 A-Spec point btw...

 

[GTsail]

*snip*...I started playing Gt4 again, and I'm for some reason I CANNOT get my Nissan Option Steam Z to win the Club “Z” Tokyo race.....

You haven't messed up the settings!

Its the Option Stream Z! It does not like to change direction like you mention! Its like you are driving on ice!

I just drove my Option Stream in these races, and I had to strap on S3 (sports soft) tires to win against the normal Nissan Z lineups that show up in the Nissan One Make "Club Z" races.

So my recommendation is to upgrade your tires. And you can forget about any A-spec points.

This is an instance where the game does not recognize how badly a car drives with regular tires. The car's weight and horsepower just overwhelm the tire's grip, so turning is next to impossible.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[DK]

Why couldn't you have gotten a normal Fairlady Z? Or are you not the kind who goes for maximum A-Spec points?

 

[GTsail]

I agree driftking18594

If you want high A-spec points, then you need to use something other than the Option Stream Z.

A used Nissan Fairlady 2000 '68 would be a good choice.

I suspect that VietMan04 recently won the Option Stream as a prize car in the Tuning Car Grand Prix, and was seeing if it could be put to use in some other races.

In my opinion, the only good thing about the Option Stream is the paint scheme, otherwise it should be left in the very back of your garage!

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Austin343]

Yeah, the Option Stream Z doesn't get a lot of grip from its tires. But it's also very slow until about 100 mph because gear changes are sluggish and the car's power just gets converted into wheelspin (which, in your case, I assume is being fought by the TCS).

 

[Tornado]

It also has to be said that, no matter what tires you use in the game, the real life car wasn't designed for handling in the slightest. If you are having trouble with winning the race/don't care about A-Spec points, the Nismo Z-Tune 350Z would be 99% more practical for your uses. So would any of the Z32 300ZX models with bigger turbos strapped to them.

 

[Austin343]

Right, but then there are other real-life drift cars that have an iron grip on the road surface, like the Amuse S2000 R1 and GT1 as well as plenty of others.

 

[Tornado]

The Option Stream Z isn't a drift car.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

What was the OZ's purpose supposed to be then?

The OP isn't an ultra-n00b question, by the way. An ultra-n00by question is "How do u drft?!?" or "how come i cant win the world cup with my b-spec drivr?

 

[Famine]

What was the OZ's purpose supposed to be then?

This.

 

[-raVer-]

The Stream Z is a very nice car if you can handle it

This car can win all the "Club Z" races in stockform on N3s (against a 350Z)

you always gain 1 A-Spec even with N1s


Here the 1st Lap at Laguna Seca without much effort






raVer

 

[Parnelli Bone]

This.

Ah I see. That article doesn't really explain why that particular Z car has difficult handling in our game, though. I would guess it has something to do with the fact it's run on a highway (the real-life event described on that page) where speed is valued far more over handling?

But then, even that doesn't make sense. It's a Z33; how is it possible to destroy its handling?

I'm asking all the n00b questions, now.

 

[Tornado]

The Unlimited Class cars of the the Silver State Classic (which the Option Stream Z was put together for) race on open roads at full throttle going well over 150 MPH. The car probably has a very slow steering rack to help prevent it from being too fidgety at top speed (not that it helped ), which would explain why it plows everywhere on the track at low speeds.

 

[Rykon Zero]

But then, even that doesn't make sense. It's a Z33; how is it possible to destroy its handling?

I'm asking all the n00b questions, now.

Ever hybrid a Skyline engine into a Mazda AZ-1? I have. It took me a week to get it's handling sorted out. An AZ-1 has awesome handling, but you tend to lower that ability when the rear end wants to become the front end that much faster. And also tire spin.

 

[VietMan04]

You haven't messed up the settings!

Its the Option Stream Z! It does not like to change direction like you mention! Its like you are driving on ice!

I just drove my Option Stream in these races, and I had to strap on S3 (sports soft) tires to win against the normal Nissan Z lineups that show up in the Nissan One Make "Club Z" races.

So my recommendation is to upgrade your tires. And you can forget about any A-spec points.

This is an instance where the game does not recognize how badly a car drives with regular tires. The car's weight and horsepower just overwhelm the tire's grip, so turning is next to impossible.

Respectfully,
GTsail

oo..OK, so I'm not that terrible of a driver haha, I was curious because I've won other races with the car easily, but I never really noticed how bad its handling was until racing on Tokyo and this was after I changed some settings so I thought I had screwed something up.

And yeah, I don't have a Z and I didn't feel like buying one so I just thought I'd use the OZ to win the Z races and get the prize car.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The Unlimited Class cars of the the Silver State Classic (which the Option Stream Z was put together for) race on open roads at full throttle going well over 150 MPH. The car probably has a very slow steering rack to help prevent it from being too fidgety at top speed (not that it helped ), which would explain why it plows everywhere on the track at low speeds.

Gotcha.

Ever hybrid a Skyline engine into a Mazda AZ-1? I have. It took me a week to get it's handling sorted out. An AZ-1 has awesome handling, but you tend to lower that ability when the rear end wants to become the front end that much faster. And also tire spin.

Never hybrided anything. I don't have that sort of device.

 

[Nero9]

You can't win the race at Tokyo with THAT car???
I just did a run at that cup with this car, too easy. 20 secs behind me the cars were.
You need to practice at Tokyo with the Option Stream Z. Is there another track you can't win it with?

 

[VietMan04]

You can't win the race at Tokyo with THAT car???
I just did a run at that cup with this car, too easy. 20 secs behind me the cars were.
You need to practice at Tokyo with the Option Stream Z. Is there another track you can't win it with?

I think Laguna Seca also.

In the end, I stuck on soft tires and put on a little TCS to reduce burnout on the first gear, and won with a gigantic lead....

 

[Sir Dan]

Hey I'm new here, I just registered because of that very topic xD


I won the Option Stream as well shortly ago and have troubles with it too.
I pimped it out and won the Z races without a problem. HOWEVER I have big troubles now racing the Japan GT championship.

At first I would only make the 5th place after the qualifying round which annoyed me as hell. I really disliked the car, slow as **** from 1-3500 rpm, bad handling and a 6th gear that's SO useless.

Well I decided later to invest all my money into custom Options of the car (like adjusting the gears, the brakes etc yourself).

First I wrote down the settings of the Chevy Camaro LM that you win in the "Stars and Stripe" (only had good experiences with this car [at 912hp now]) and thought that would help. I altered the settings then a bit (the gear ratio - if that's the name, and the brakes)) and looky look I would get the first place in the qualifying round.

Now my problem is - this car seems slow as **** compared to the others even with all the mods. I start from the first position and after a few metres the second car (yesterday it was the NSX) went pass me like a launched rocked and in the next 4 rounds I wouldn't manage to take over.


I must admit I don't take all corners perfectly fine, but I think if I remained first I'd be able to win the race. But I think I topped the car out speed wise, I wouldn't know how to gain more hp (at 9xx hp right now and got rid of all the weight etc) to beat the NSX.

I also won a Mazda RX7 yesterday (I think in the Turbo class in the Pro races, not sure) but I have no Credits anymore. Should I save up and tune this one instead?

Any help appreciated.


Oh and if it helps the OP I can post my settings for the O Stream Z.

 

[GTsail]

I think Laguna Seca also.

In the end, I stuck on soft tires and put on a little TCS to reduce burnout on the first gear, and won with a gigantic lead....

Nice going!

Now you can retire the Option Stream Z!!

and use a Nissan Z that is actually fun to drive.

The Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71 that you just won in the "Club Z" races is a classic, and can be used to earn 200 points in the same Club Z Series.

The Datsun/Nissan 240Z is a car that I wanted to buy when I was in college. A friend of mine had access to one (his father's, though I don't know the year), and I remember enjoying its ride.

*snip*....I won the Option Stream as well shortly ago, and have troubles with it too. I pimped it out, and won the Z races without a problem. HOWEVER, I have big troubles now racing the Japan GT Championship......

I'm not sure which Japanese Championship you are working on.

Is it the first Japanese Championship, or is it the second one called "All Japan GT Championship"?

If you are working on the first Japanese Championship, I would recommend using a Mazda RX-8 Concept Type II '01 that can be won at the Tsukuba Wet (EASY) Special Condition Race (or use the Mazda RX-8 Concept Type I '01 that is earned after completing all the IB Licenses at Silver). Horsepower can be added if needed, its S2 tires should be fine.

Once you win the first Japanese Championship, you get a Nissan Fairlady Z LM Race Car '02 as the prize car.

Take this prize car to the All Japan GT Championship and win!!

*snip*...But I think I topped the car out speed wise, I wouldn't know how to gain more hp (at 9xx hp right now)....

900 horsepower in the Option Stream?

I bet you just fly down the straight at R246 and plow smack into the Turn One armco!

Good luck,
GTsail

 

[Sir Dan]

Nice going!
I'm not sure which Japanese Championship you are working on.

Is it the first Japanese Championship, or is it the second one called "All Japan GT Championship"?

If you are working on the first Japanese Championship, I would recommend using a Mazda RX-8 Concept Type II '01 that can be won at the Tsukuba Wet (EASY) Special Condition Race (or use the Mazda RX-8 Concept Type I '01 that is earned after completing all the IB Licenses at Silver). Horsepower can be added if needed, its S2 tires should be fine.

Once you win the first Japanese Championship, you get a Nissan Fairlady Z LM Race Car '02 as the prize car.

Take this prize car to the All Japan GT Championship and win!!

Good luck,
GTsail

Yeah I'm sorry I'm roughly translating here from German I don't know the correct english names I won the first Japanes Championship long ago with my Nismo 270 (or so? Not sure, won it when I frist started playing two years ago or so and yeah it's quite a nice car though) but I had no chance in the All Japan GT Championship. Now with the money I "wasted" on the Option Stream Z I'm pretty close but just not close enough (for me) to win the damn races. Anyone a tweaking idea for the car?

Or would you recon the afore mentioned RX7 would have the capabilities to win the All Japan Gt if I tune it well enough?

Saving up for a new car AND it's tuning seems like quite a hassle right now. I mean the car should be good enough maybe i'm just a **** driver - what's the big difference between this Z and the "normal" Z's?


In fact I'm not a big Nissan Z fan at all.

regards, Dan

 

[GTsail]

*snip*...
Or would you recon the afore mentioned RX7 would have the capabilities to win the All Japan Gt if I tune it well enough?

Saving up for a new car AND it's tuning seems like quite a hassle right now. I mean the car should be good enough maybe i'm just a **** driver - what's the big difference between this Z and the "normal" Z's?.....

There is no need to save up for a new car if you happened to have sold the Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car '02 that you won in the first Japanese Championship. Just re-run the Championship again, and you will get another Nissan. Hopefully you still have the NISMO 270R.

I recommend leaving the Option Stream in your garage and driving something else. The Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car handles so much better, which is why I recommend it.

There are many other cars that can win the All Japan GT Championship (such as any full-on race car), however, I'm not sure what else you have in your garage that is available.

Any of the Japanese "JGTC" race cars should be able to win (most without any HP upgrades) if you happen to have them (most cost about $1.3 million).

I have checked my records and see that I have driven 14 (crazy, I know) of these "JGTC" cars for at least one race in the All Japan GT Championship, so any of these cars should do the trick:

Honda ARTA NSX JGTC '00
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX JGTC '00
Honda Mobil 1 NSX JGTC '01
Honda Takata Dome NSX JGTC '03
Nissan Calsonic Skyline GTR JGTC '00
Nissan Loctite Zexel GTR JGTC '00
Nissan Motul Pitwork Z JGTC '04
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR JGTC '01
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR JGTC '01
Nissan Xanavi NISMO GTR JGTC '03
Toyota au Cerumo Supra JGTC '01
Toyota Castrol Toms Supra JGTC '01
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT JGTC '00
Toyota WoodOne Toms Supra JGTC '03

Its possible that the Mazda BP Falken RX-7 D1GP '03 that you mention could win with some tuning. Its not the best handling car, so its not a car that I have spent much time driving, so I'm not entirely sure what level of upgrades it might take.

Good luck,
GTsail

 

[Tornado]

If you still have the Camaro LM race car, you could also use that.

 

[Sir Dan]

There is no need to save up for a new car if you happened to have sold the Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car '02 that you won in the first Japanese Championship. Just re-run the Championship again, and you will get another Nissan. Hopefully you still have the NISMO 270R.

I recommend leaving the Option Stream in your garage and driving something else. The Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car handles so much better, which is why I recommend it.

There are many other cars that can win the All Japan GT Championship (such as any full-on race car), however, I'm not sure what else you have in your garage that is available.

Any of the Japanese "JGTC" race cars should be able to win (most without any HP upgrades) if you happen to have them (most cost about $1.3 million).

I have checked my records and see that I have driven 14 (crazy, I know) of these "JGTC" cars for at least one race in the All Japan GT Championship, so any of these cars should do the trick:

Honda ARTA NSX JGTC '00
Honda Castrol Mugen NSX JGTC '00
Honda Mobil 1 NSX JGTC '01
Honda Takata Dome NSX JGTC '03
Nissan Calsonic Skyline GTR JGTC '00
Nissan Loctite Zexel GTR JGTC '00
Nissan Motul Pitwork Z JGTC '04
Nissan Pennzoil Zexel GTR JGTC '01
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GTR JGTC '01
Nissan Xanavi NISMO GTR JGTC '03
Toyota au Cerumo Supra JGTC '01
Toyota Castrol Toms Supra JGTC '01
Toyota Denso Sard Supra GT JGTC '00
Toyota WoodOne Toms Supra JGTC '03

Its possible that the Mazda BP Falken RX-7 D1GP '03 that you mention could win with some tuning. Its not the best handling car, so its not a car that I have spent much time driving, so I'm not entirely sure what level of upgrades it might take.

Good luck,
GTsail

Yeah I still have the 270R I like that car (emotional binding xD). Well the handling of the Option Z was a big problem but isn't anymore. It's like you described with over 900 hp it'd just crash straight into the wall but with the finetuning I made it almost handles like the Camaro. It's the speed it's lacking. So I wouldn't really need a better handling car imo.

Well if I have the time today I'll try racing the first one and use it for the All GT japan races. Would I need to tune it or is it fine by letting it the way it is speed wise?

And thanks for the list, I'll look up where I could win one of these - maybe that'll be the easier step.

If you still have the Camaro LM race car, you could also use that.

I don't think you can use an US car to race the Japan Series could you?



And how many posts does it take until the mods don't approve them or will it always be like that?


- Dan

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I don't think you can use an US car to race the Japan Series could you?

Actually you can. That series (the All Japan GT) approves European and American cars as OK for some reason. Which makes Parnelli happy.

And how many posts does it take until the mods don't approve them or will it always be like that?


- Dan

Huh? Not sure what this means.

 

[Sir Dan]

Actually you can. That series (the All Japan GT) approves European and American cars as OK for some reason. Which makes Parnelli happy.



Huh? Not sure what this means.

Really? Well that's damn sweet my problem is solved now hahaha sweet!


Nevermind it's gone now. But for my first posts they wouldNt# be displayed right away but the mods had to approve first.

 

[GTsail]

If you still have the Camaro LM race car, you could also use that.

Toronado's recommendation is a good one.

The Chevy Camaro LM Race Car is certainly strong enough to win, and like Parnelli Bone says, American and European cars can enter the "All Japan GT Championship" for some reason.

For me, I could not bring myself to use an American or European car for this Japanese Series. However, I do confess to using the Ford Falcon XR8 Race Car in the Series (but then the Falcon is from Australia, so its ok!). HA!

Good luck,
GTsail

 

[DK]

The Chevy Camaro LM Race Car is certainly strong enough to win, and like Parnelli Bone says, American and European cars can enter the "All Japan GT Championship" for some reason.

I think the reason is that non-Japanese cars are allowed to enter Super GT.

 

[GTsail]

I think the reason is that non-Japanese cars are allowed to enter Super GT.

You're right driftking18594!

I found a nice link to the Super GT Series:

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/2005-JGTC.htm

It does seem that quite a few Porsches and McLaren's were present in the early years of JGTC, and more recently some Chevy Corvettes and Dodge Vipers. But you will notice a complete lack of Option Stream Z's.

Like many race Series it has evolved over the years.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Sir Dan]

Yeah it was no Problemo with the Chevy