Unfinished Prologue Cars?

[Paulie]

Do you think that the cars in Prologue will be their respective finished product in the full game? For example, cars like the Evora and California seem like they just guessed and made them better than what they'll really be until they actually get to test them. I realise they probably don't test every single car in the game, but these new ones they probably do. I also wonder if the "cheater cars" as we've come to know them will be evened out in the full game, surely they can't have something between 400 and 1,000 cars with just a handful competitive in public races?

 

[Boffin]

I think they'll revise every car - but the Cali and the Evora seem spot on for what they were designed for. (GT and Cruiser respectively)

 

[Paulie]

I think they'll revise every car - but the Cali and the Evora seem spot on for what they were designed for. (GT and Cruiser respectively)

Maybe the Evora is spot on, but no way in hell the California is. Last I checked the California can lap faster than a Z06 in time trials, and no way a convertible GT car with less power and more weight like that could do that. I think the Ford GT might have a little too much grip as well, I would have thought an R35 GTR to be faster than it too.

 

[Boffin]

performance wise, maybe not - although I'd have to say that the boffins at Ferrari know a bit more about suspension than Chevy - and that could maje a difference.

I'm talking on feel. It feels on n2-s2 tyres it was made to be driven at 7/10ths - although on s3s, it's a very potent machine.

 

[Paulie]

performance wise, maybe not - although I'd have to say that the boffins at Ferrari know a bit more about suspension than Chevy - and that could maje a difference.

I'm talking on feel. It feels on n2-s2 tyres it was made to be driven at 7/10ths - although on s3s, it's a very potent machine.

And I'd have to day that the Z06 has comfortably beaten cars thrice its price with mo' power from other companies that also know about suspensions, like Lamborghini, Ferrari itself, and this isn't even considering the ZR1 yet. I still don't see how the California could be so fast (it's also level with the mighty GT-R roughly).

 

[peter_vod69]

I reckon the F40 is wrong in a number of ways, not least of which has got to be weight, as it weighs 1100kg stock, not the 1350-odd of the game! I'd suspect the gearing is wrong too.

 

[Soundtrack]

They could fine tune the Performance Points system further to balance the competition or dim the unrealistic advantage of some cars (like they did with the Elise). The question is can PD remain fully objective when it comes to certain car manufacturers and/or car models performances; adding new cars free of charge in the game is a great bonus and unfortunately a little performance bias could be the price we have to pay for it.

Anyway by the time GT5 is out, “losers” will probably be able to run the cars they want on “crappy” tyres in more “private” places

Also, hope you are right about the 1,000 figure, even thought I’ll be already happy if the full game comes with 400 (different) cars.👍

 

[L_Hamilton]

performance wise, maybe not - although I'd have to say that the boffins at Ferrari know a bit more about suspension than Chevy - and that could maje a difference.

I'm talking on feel. It feels on n2-s2 tyres it was made to be driven at 7/10ths - although on s3s, it's a very potent machine.

S3' can make a a slow car fast any day compared to the N tires.

I only like racing the Cali with other Cali's

And the zo6 feels so realistic Already.

What do you guys think about race cars. Who's gonna drive them unless they have driver puts on the actual makng of the game

 

[peter_vod69]

I can't wait for the racing cars, some of my favourites in GT4 were the racers. 787b, Pug 905, Ford Falcon Tickford XR8 Touring car and so on.

 

[Exorcet]

performance wise, maybe not - although I'd have to say that the boffins at Ferrari know a bit more about suspension than Chevy - and that could maje a difference.QUOTE]

You'd be surprised.

But anyway, the Cali is something like 600 lbs underweight (just like the 599). It's also seems a bit too track capable for a GT car. When MT tested it, it wasn't a match for the F430 like it is in game.

 

[balang_479]

I reckon the F40 is wrong in a number of ways, not least of which has got to be weight, as it weighs 1100kg stock, not the 1350-odd of the game! I'd suspect the gearing is wrong too.

Gearing is completely messed up... i seen many videos of the F40 and no way does 1st gear go that high.

 

[cpp214]

I agree with most of the quotes in this thread, especially about the unrealistic performance of the Cali in particular. I guess my main gripe is this: one of the reasons we assume it takes PD so long to come out with games, such as GT5, is that they are sticklers for making the cars as "realistic" as possible. I know prologue is just a demo, so maybe they did rush some of the cars to get them out for the game, but man...if GT5 has cars that perform as unrealistically as some of the ones in prologue--then why exactly have we been waiting so long for GT5 in the first place? All I can say is that Kaz and Co. better be straightening some of these issues out if they are making us wait this long...

 

[Kryz11]

Maybe the Evora is spot on, but no way in hell the California is. Last I checked the California can lap faster than a Z06 in time trials, and no way a convertible GT car with less power and more weight like that could do that. I think the Ford GT might have a little too much grip as well, I would have thought an R35 GTR to be faster than it too.

I am not sure about the California, but..

Ford GT seems to be most spot on car in the game, and the GTR. I was recently reading old car magazine reviews on the Ford GT, each magazine mention that the car has TONS of grip and perfect amount of power. For once in 21st century Ford did something nice.

 

[Nicksfix]

For once in 21st century Ford did something nice.

Henry would be proud wouldn't he ?

 

[Raitziger]

corvette comes with leaf springs But seriously i agree that some cars do not handle right in my opinion, but i only can speak about cars with advanced 4wd systems undesteering like a quatro from 80s.

 

[Exorcet]

I was recently reading old car magazine reviews on the Ford GT, each magazine mention that the car has TONS of grip and perfect amount of power

That describes just about any top model for a manufacturer. I can give you a few sources where the GT loses to the Viper and Z06, or where it barely manages to pull ahead. The dominance of the GT and GT-R found in the game is no where to be seen in reality.

 

[BMfan]

1st Gear Ratio: 2.77:1 2nd Gear Ratio: 1.71:1 3rd Gear Ratio: 1.23:1 4th Gear Ratio: 0.96:1 5th Gear Ratio: 0.77:1 Final Drive Ratio: 2.90:1

These are the ratios for the F40 someone check if its the same in GT5p

Gearing is completely messed up... i seen many videos of the F40 and no way does 1st gear go that high.

Just checked it and it is the same as the real F40.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I think they'll revise every car - but the Cali and the Evora seem spot on for what they were designed for. (GT and Cruiser respectively)

I hope they Real Evora does not have that rediculous Gear ratio. If so i feel bad for lotus..

 

[mPWRD]

I can't wait for the racing cars, some of my favourites in GT4 were the racers. 787b, Pug 905, Ford Falcon Tickford XR8 Touring car and so on.

+1. I would LOVE to drive things like the R15, peugeot 908, C6.R, Mosler, etc... and of course the f1 cars.

 

[Peter]

I can't wait for the racing cars, some of my favourites in GT4 were the racers. 787b, Pug 905, Ford Falcon Tickford XR8 Touring car and so on.

no one can ever forget the toyota gtone tso20. been in gt too long not to be again, and plus my favourite race car. and you liked that peugeot? it took a year to change gears.

 

[Boffin]

I hope they Real Evora does not have that rediculous Gear ratio. If so i feel bad for lotus..

It was not made to be a sick deranged track car - they already sell those. It was made to have sporting credentials but cruise happily at low revs on a highway.

 

[peter_vod69]

I hope they Real Evora does not have that rediculous Gear ratio. If so i feel bad for lotus..

Wouldn' suprise me if the Evora just uses the same transaxle as fitted to the Toyotas that share that particular V6. If so, its basically a family sedan (saloon) drivetrain.

 

[Obli]

Maybe the Evora is spot on, but no way in hell the California is. Last I checked the California can lap faster than a Z06 in time trials, and no way a convertible GT car with less power and more weight like that could do that. I think the Ford GT might have a little too much grip as well, I would have thought an R35 GTR to be faster than it too.

Are you comparing the cars as standard in the game? If not, standard power and weight are irrelevant if you're using the performance points system.

I'm sure the cars performance will be balanced out as and when required. I remember when the Lotus Elises used to be unbeatable, but that was addressed, thankfully. That was back when PD did updates...

 

[Paulie]

Are you comparing the cars as standard in the game? If not, standard power and weight are irrelevant if you're using the performance points system.

I'm sure the cars performance will be balanced out as and when required. I remember when the Lotus Elises used to be unbeatable, but that was addressed, thankfully. That was back when PD did updates...

Yes I'm comparing stock to stock.

 

[Clark]

The Cali weight is wrong. In GT it's 1450kg, yet the real car is just over 1700kg.

And despite the update it still has the F40 weight as 1350kg (in quick-tune), not the real 1100kg.

 

[Blitz187]

And despite the update it still has the F40 weight as 1350kg (in quick-tune), not the real 1100kg.

The monthly updates are only for the events... not updates to the game itself...