Unpopular Motorsport Opinions
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Not something I can agree on, but this thread obviously isn't called the "Unpopular Motosport Opinions" thread for nothing. Not the best livery, but certainly not terrible. Good color combination, and great flow of lines along the body. I'd honestly much rather see this on an M6:
(what really downgrades the livery is those endplates and bright green bits. Why IMSA
)than this:
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- Wellington
Not something I can agree on, but this thread obviously isn't called the "Unpopular Motosport Opinions" thread for nothing. Not the best livery, but certainly not terrible. Good color combination, and great flow of lines along the body. I'd honestly much rather see this on an M6:
(what really downgrades the livery is those endplates and bright green bits. Why IMSA
than this:
I don't mind the actual lines too much, it's just the colours clash too much imo.
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- MMR_LukeMitchell
I honestly wouldn't mind that if the red was a bit darker at the back.
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- Hammerhead Garage
But it's not single car. It's man and machine versus mother nature on some of the most difficult pieces of road that you can muster. It might not be wheel-to-wheel action, but that's the beauty of it: you're chasing down the other guy, almost completely blind. And the cars are only getting faster this year - they'll be at least as quick as the legendary Group B monsters of the 1980s.
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I'll counter with this...when you see a Turner BMW do you instantly recognize it at distance, etc? If so, I think the livery (whether or not you or I find it attractive) is successful. It's been around for what 15+ years now? I think a successful livery is partially one which is immediately recognizable - particularly in a pack. In a world of silver/white cars with blue and red stripes...it's refreshing to see a car so instantly identifiable in the pack.
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- GTP_Dylan_GTP
I like it...If you think they're bad, (and they're not great are they) have a look at this monstrosity that'll race in the Bathurst 12hr.
Someone brought Castrol money & another organised a donation from Vodafone. End result...
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A white base color, instead of a black/carbon one, would probably improve the livery a lot.If you think they're bad, (and they're not great are they) have a look at this monstrosity that'll race in the Bathurst 12hr.
Someone brought Castrol money & another organised a donation from Vodafone. End result...
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I don't think I have seen any previews beyond early artists' impressions.
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That's my point, all the preview's we have seen look awful
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I don't think it's meant to improve the racing. I mean in the last few years the number of overtaking per season has skyrocketed with the introduction of DRS and control tyres and such but people still think the races are dull because the cars aren't exciting enough to watch and they don't work the driver too hard physically.
Speculative renders aren't really much to go off, wait for the official reveals and, most importantly, wait until you see them in action.
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Jacques Villineuve was good. No seriously. He just never matured, probably got too full of himself, and his ability regressed instead of improving. His legacy may have been very different if he never went to BAR.
Shamefully he's made himself so unlikeable these days that no one ever gives him a second thought.
Shamefully he's made himself so unlikeable these days that no one ever gives him a second thought.
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I've said it before; Jacques Villeneuve is proof that you can't just put anybody in a top car and have them win. There has to be some actual talent there.
As for the rest of his career, I think it's easy to overlook just how badly his title defence went. Williams' 1998 car was unquestionably gorgeous but it was not anywhere near as good as the McLaren or Ferrari. They had lost Adrian Newey and their Renault engines. Villeneuve was hopelessly outclassed and Frentzen was even worse. We know what Jacques' ego is like and such a terrible year in the number 1 car is something which must have really stayed with and depressed him. The fact that Pollock's promises did not turn into anything meaningful at BAR would have left him pretty unmotivated and his loyalty to Pollock certainly cost him good drives during his peak driving years.
What he did in 1996 (pole on debut, 4 wins) and 1997 (win the title) could not have been done by any debutant or even any of that time's F1 up-and-comers like Barrichello or Fisichella. If you want to break it down another way, only two drivers have walked into a top drive, been runners-up in their debut season and won the title in their second; Villeneuve is one and Lewis Hamilton is the other. Villeneuve even secured pole in his first race.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't like Jacques Villeneuve; he might be an unpopular champion but I don't think it's fair to call him an undeserving champion.
As for the rest of his career, I think it's easy to overlook just how badly his title defence went. Williams' 1998 car was unquestionably gorgeous but it was not anywhere near as good as the McLaren or Ferrari. They had lost Adrian Newey and their Renault engines. Villeneuve was hopelessly outclassed and Frentzen was even worse. We know what Jacques' ego is like and such a terrible year in the number 1 car is something which must have really stayed with and depressed him. The fact that Pollock's promises did not turn into anything meaningful at BAR would have left him pretty unmotivated and his loyalty to Pollock certainly cost him good drives during his peak driving years.
What he did in 1996 (pole on debut, 4 wins) and 1997 (win the title) could not have been done by any debutant or even any of that time's F1 up-and-comers like Barrichello or Fisichella. If you want to break it down another way, only two drivers have walked into a top drive, been runners-up in their debut season and won the title in their second; Villeneuve is one and Lewis Hamilton is the other. Villeneuve even secured pole in his first race.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't like Jacques Villeneuve; he might be an unpopular champion but I don't think it's fair to call him an undeserving champion.
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Yeah, I tend to believe a few elements were at hand back then.
It was the transition to the narrow cars on grooved rubber,
Newey's arrival at McLaren explains their turnaround in fortunes, and,
The Ferrari Superteam of Talents, Schumacher, Brawn, Byrne et al was really beginning to gel and approaching their peak powers of dominance.
Add to that, Renault pulling the plug and the end result was what took place in late 90's F1.
It was the transition to the narrow cars on grooved rubber,
Newey's arrival at McLaren explains their turnaround in fortunes, and,
The Ferrari Superteam of Talents, Schumacher, Brawn, Byrne et al was really beginning to gel and approaching their peak powers of dominance.
Add to that, Renault pulling the plug and the end result was what took place in late 90's F1.
