Unpopular Motorsport Opinions

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I don't know how unpopular this is and the tide might be turning on this opinion but at non-oval circuits IndyCar is way more exciting than Formula One.

The cars look better, frequently follow each other better and have more interesting battles.
I do believe it is made to be artificially closer thanks to overeager officials throwing a Full Course Caution for any reason they can.

Oh look, a tissue blew across the track > FCC.

It is in this series & NASCAR, where you can have a car as dominant as Verstappen's Red Bull, and still end up nowhere for the weekend.
Why? The cards just didn't fall your way with the 'yellows'.
 
I do believe it is made to be artificially closer thanks to overeager officials throwing a Full Course Caution for any reason they can.

Oh look, a tissue blew across the track > FCC.

It is in this series & NASCAR, where you can have a car as dominant as Verstappen's Red Bull, and still end up nowhere for the weekend.
Why? The cards just didn't fall your way with the 'yellows'.
We must be watching different IndyCar series'. :odd:
 
If anything that's been a problem with F1 and too many Red Flags when just Yellows would be good enough
I find that to be the case too.

All around the globe, officials are too quick to go Safety Car/Full Course Caution when a local yellow would do the job just like it used to.

The technology today is so much better than it used to be, so policing offenders that don't slow enough is as easy as producing numbers.

Red Flags are a whole other story.
 
Well, I guess seeing Will Power robbed so many times has polluted my.opinion.
As an Australian I agree a little bit but not too much... Will Power has legend statistics in qualifying so you know in competitive field of similar cars he is a very good driver.. He is the current series champion, has won before and won the big show indy 500... Is a top 5 in a genuinely competitive series less exciting interesting than a F1 driver managing a slow car into top ten, or a top 5 in a midfield car or a podium for one of the top teams? It's just hard to know how much of a difference the drivers in F1 make, you know the best are better than the rest, but how much is just a few percentages - more impressive might be there consistency... but the whole show it getting so so boring.

Here's one that is not mine but it must exist despite clearly being wrong:

"More pitstops would make F1 races worse"

It just seems so wrong that almost every race is a boring one pit stop event with minimal chance of not just being a procession.
  • Why Why Why can't they make more pitstops for F1?
  • They have 3 tyre grades, just tweak the rule so they use all three tyres in a dry race?
  • It's a team sport but the team is just spectating for most of the race if it goes to plan, mores stops can be done with same people and not affect that evil costs?
 
Here's one that is not mine but it must exist despite clearly being wrong:

"More pitstops would make F1 races worse"

It just seems so wrong that almost every race is a boring one pit stop event with minimal chance of not just being a procession.
  • Why Why Why can't they make more pitstops for F1?
  • They have 3 tyre grades, just tweak the rule so they use all three tyres in a dry race?
  • It's a team sport but the team is just spectating for most of the race if it goes to plan, mores stops can be done with same people and not affect that evil costs?
More pit stops isn't the answer, IMO. I honestly think there shouldn't be stops unless it's a wet weather race. No more of the stupid "must use two compounds" rule in the races. F1 is trying to control costs and look more "environmentally friendly", so why not go back to the tires that will last a race distance and a special Super Soft qualifying tire to show the pace that these cars can do. Make the qualifying one 15 minute session and a top ten shootout like at Bathurst. F1 is also chasing that "Game 7" moment like NASCAR is. That moment is memorable because its rare, and both series are trying to create that moment every race weekend. that was what pushed me away from NASCAR 15 years ago and F1 is feeling the same way to me. DTS brought a new fan into the F1 world, but I've not sure that's a good thing.

Here's one of mine:
All F1 circuits should be lined with walls up against the first set of kerbs and white lines. Thats how you solve track limits.
 
Cutting LMP2 from WEC and 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2024 is a good move.

It didn't serve a purpose once LMP1 got replaced with Hypercar (especially when it became an Oreca spec series so it doesn't help non Oreca LMDh cars much either) which Hypercar and LMGT3 are likely to gain a lot of traction. It is just going to take up unnecessary space and 2 Classes will be easier to follow for new viewers
 
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Refueling needs to come back to F1.

Monaco is a garbage racetrack layout that is only alive today because F1 is way too stuck on its old ways and traditions, the track as it is simply has no place in the sport right now.

V8 engines should come back now that e-Fuels are an alternative to downsizing the engines, but V10 and V12 would be not good if those engine can't be as reliable as the V8.
 
Cutting LMP2 from WEC and 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2024 is a good move.

It didn't serve a purpose once LMP1 got replaced with Hypercar (especially when it became an Oreca spec series so it doesn't help non Oreca LMDh cars much either) which Hypercar and LMGT3 are likely to gain a lot of traction. It is just going to take up unnecessary space and 2 Classes will be easier to follow for new viewers
Except they are allowed for Le Mans,but limited to very few spots due to the massive swelling entries for Hypercar.
 
Monaco is a garbage racetrack layout that is only alive today because F1 is way too stuck on its old ways and traditions, the track as it is simply has no place in the sport right now.
Popular opinion these days and I agree.
 
This isn’t necessarily a serious unpopular opinion, but any car with a red/black/white/silver livery should be BOP’d into oblivion. Audi, Porsche, and Toyota have tried to make it look good, but it always ends up looking kind of bland.

If a team is gonna go that route, at least do what Porsche did years ago and give the 3 cars a different base color.
 
This isn’t necessarily a serious unpopular opinion, but any car with a red/black/white/silver livery should be BOP’d into oblivion. Audi, Porsche, and Toyota have tried to make it look good, but it always ends up looking kind of bland.

If a team is gonna go that route, at least do what Porsche did years ago and give the 3 cars a different base color.
I think Audi have made it look good, I think the only Audi race cars I don't like are the original R15 and the final R18 but that's more their visual design than their colours.

Porsche did a decent job though I think it got worse over time with the 1st 919 livery still being the best one

I think Toyota are the most consistently worse out of the 3, their original White/Blue scheme was much better.
 
I think Audi have made it look good, I think the only Audi race cars I don't like are the original R15 and the final R18 but that's more their visual design than their colours.

Porsche did a decent job though I think it got worse over time with the 1st 919 livery still being the best one

I think Toyota are the most consistently worse out of the 3, their original White/Blue scheme was much better.
Isn't Toyota just running country colors by using red & white? A bit bland, but it at least has some meaning.
 
I'd put the red tarmac from Paul Ricard right next to the white line on any corner that gets track limits all the time on every track. The red tarmac is designed to rip tyres to pieces. I'd start watching motor racing outside of WEC again if that happened.
 
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Isn't Toyota just running country colors by using red & white? A bit bland, but it at least has some meaning.
Technically, its their company colors which the ran for a while at the Nurburgring but it just so happens to also match Japan's national colors (Though I'd argue the Nissan was alot closer since it was basically solid red with only the white fin)
 
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My brother always used to have this grand idea that alongside that, having a limited amount of sensors on the car would also do the trick.

I.E: Only XX amount of non-FIA mandated sensors that can be used by the team across the car (think tyre temp sensors, etc)
There's too much data available in real time and taking some of that away will make things better.
 
Compared to the previous era of turbo F1 cars, the current version with its long wheelbase, virtually no lag motors, 8-speed gearboxes, power steering....
.....are ridiculously easy to drive.
 
Compared to the previous era of turbo F1 cars, the current version with its long wheelbase, virtually no lag motors, 8-speed gearboxes, power steering....
.....are ridiculously easy to drive.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. I don't think anyone would argue that the 80's turbo-era cars were in anyway easy to drive.
 
Challenge today is that you have to be way more perfect in precise driving, braking, cornering while having higher g-forces. Also way more to do in an F1 car with fiddeling brake bias, diff, battery recovery and deployment, DRS and pit communication together while saving fuel and tyres and the nowadays way more important managing of tyre temps. Beeing fast alone doesn't do the trick anymore. Rookies struggeling way more coming to F1 and nowadays needing minimum a whole season to get up to speed or even close to two seasons. I'm pretty sure things like Michael Schumacher jumping into the Jordan 191 in Spa '91 on a track he had never really driven before and managing a superb (quali) result will never happen again due to this complexity of modern F1 cars. He was just fast driving cars which just isn't enough in modern hybrid F1. Same for Montoya, Villeneuve jr., Hamilton or even K-Mag which all had good debuts or managed to adapt very quickly. Today even a guy like Piastri with 1000s of laps in F1 testing/preparing is struggeling hard in his first season.

Problem with all that is that you can't see it on TV and so it seems just boring. No one is wrestling with oversteer like in the F1 up to the late 90s and it was easy to see Senna, Schumacher, etc. driving on the absolute edge even on trackside cameras let alone onboards. Today a new spectator isn't even able to see it from a onboard if the driver is in quali mode or in a race lap. You just can't see the challenges of modern F1 on TV.
 
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It's a tricky balance because manufacturers want to pursue newer technology to experiment and potentially put in actual cars people can buy which is great marketing

Also as Supercars Gen3 has shown us, harder to drive =/= better.
 
More pit stops isn't the answer, IMO. I honestly think there shouldn't be stops unless it's a wet weather race. No more of the stupid "must use two compounds" rule in the races. F1 is trying to control costs and look more "environmentally friendly", so why not go back to the tires that will last a race distance and a special Super Soft qualifying tire to show the pace that these cars can do. Make the qualifying one 15 minute session and a top ten shootout like at Bathurst. F1 is also chasing that "Game 7" moment like NASCAR is. That moment is memorable because its rare, and both series are trying to create that moment every race weekend. that was what pushed me away from NASCAR 15 years ago and F1 is feeling the same way to me. DTS brought a new fan into the F1 world, but I've not sure that's a good thing.

Here's one of mine:
All F1 circuits should be lined with walls up against the first set of kerbs and white lines. Thats how you solve track limits.
The risk with having no stops is a year like 2005 where the tyres did a whole distance and there was almost no overtaking on track.

I'm surprised that there is so much support for fewer pitstops is better - in the current situation.

From sustainability point I would like them to just have 8 or 10 sets of tyres for the season and they have tyres manufactured that provide similar performance for 2000km for eg. However this would require some considerable changes and some other variables to introduce a strategy element.

Without strategy, it is just like a chess game with only 1 move each left - the player with better position or equipment is almost certain to win.

Have arbitrary rule to use all 3 is not the best solution, but it's one that would cost almost nothing to try out and in my opinion there have been so many races that are far more interesting when there is a second pitstop it is worth trying. Single pitstop is easy to cover, however if there are two stops a team has much more possibility to stagger pit times to gain track advantage...

For example monaco last year the extra pitstops due to changeable conditions enabled Perez to overcut 1 ferrari and undercut the other. Simpletons might not like that there wasn't a "exciting on track pass" but the driver had to do the laps to make it work and it was 100% a deserved win.

Another example is Hungary 1998 where Schumacher's car couldn't match the McLaren's in qualifying so it looked like they could easily cover with a conservative two stop strategy... Ferrari put Schumacher onto an extra stop and he ran a blinding set of qualifying speed laps to pull the gap for the win - the McLaren pitwall just about had their mouths open in disbelief and surprise that they were getting beaten...

Generally I think the most logical basis for the less pitstops is better is from a group of Anti-Schumacher fans who forever confused and frustrated how a driver that lost out in qualifying would be able to run a different strategy (over cut, or undercut, more stops or less stops) and be able to win on race day.

Does anyone have statistic with pole positions converting to wins? I would guess boring single stop strategy that is easy to protect in the recent seasons (and reliability) would mean the last 10-20 years would be much more consistent than the earlier years...

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On the walls, I think not every circuit should have the walls - but maybe many should... otherwise they put some underfloor heating or cooling on the runoff so that if a driver runs off he instantly looses tyre performance and then needs to cool tyres or heat them up - problem with that is that the engineers would figure out some solution to combat it.

Challenge today is that you have to be way more perfect in precise driving, braking, cornering while having higher g-forces. Also way more to do in an F1 car with fiddeling brake bias, diff, battery recovery and deployment, DRS and pit communication together while saving fuel and tyres and the nowadays way more important managing of tyre temps.
Also the racing line gets rubbered up so much and marbles offline so that there is a single lane of optimal performance - to go off this any be quick requires much more from the machine.

Yep, I think they should make the cars smaller, way less downforce and slower corners, way longer braking distances, ban the team from having detailed tyre temp data - the driver should manage tyres by feel... probably ditch DRS and replace with a time-limited equal-for-all-driver push-to-pass that works well in Indycar.

Look at Formula E - sure it's not a direct comparison for many reasons, but the cars "look" exciting by the amount they slide.

Fl is just probably too self important to take on ideas from other sports... I think somethings they should try to keep consistent, but other things they should not be too scared to try new things - change them straight back if it doesn't work.

Refueling needs to come back to F1.

Monaco is a garbage racetrack layout that is only alive today because F1 is way too stuck on its old ways and traditions, the track as it is simply has no place in the sport right now.

V8 engines should come back now that e-Fuels are an alternative to downsizing the engines, but V10 and V12 would be not good if those engine can't be as reliable as the V8.
Nah Monaco is still great track - qualifying on the circuit with no run-off, crazy tight hairpins, medium chicanes, fast corners - it is a brilliant challenge...

Even they way the drivers avoid the bump near casino - it just about the only part of the calendar where driver treat their vehicle like a "car"... if you drive a sportscar you avoid hitting bumps too hard and definitely not into walls haha Evey modern circuit releases the driver to "pilot" their grounded aeroplanes especially with the swathes of tarmac runoff - they should just cover those with broken records.

Just the design of the cars is broken at the moment - look at formula e had a cracking race at Monaco.

My unpopular opinion is that they should use Monaco as the template circuit to design the cars. If they make a good race at monaco they they would make good races in other circuits...

Furthermore the cars should be designed to run on more 'realistic' grade of tarmac and deal with bumps, have suspension that works more like real cars etc - Tracks could be upgraded for safety and spectator facilities and less money need to be spend on making perfect tarmac?
 
Challenge today is that you have to be way more perfect in precise driving, braking, cornering while having higher g-forces. Also way more to do in an F1 car with fiddeling brake bias, diff, battery recovery and deployment, DRS and pit communication together while saving fuel and tyres and the nowadays way more important managing of tyre temps. Beeing fast alone doesn't do the trick anymore. Rookies struggeling way more coming to F1 and nowadays needing minimum a whole season to get up to speed or even close to two seasons. I'm pretty sure things like Michael Schumacher jumping into the Jordan 191 in Spa '91 on a track he had never really driven before and managing a superb (quali) result will never happen again due to this complexity of modern F1 cars. He was just fast driving cars which just isn't enough in modern hybrid F1. Same for Montoya, Villeneuve jr., Hamilton or even K-Mag which all had good debuts or managed to adapt very quickly. Today even a guy like Piastri with 1000s of laps in F1 testing/preparing is struggeling hard in his first season.

Problem with all that is that you can't see it on TV and so it seems just boring. No one is wrestling with oversteer like in the F1 up to the late 90s and it was easy to see Senna, Schumacher, etc. driving on the absolute edge even on trackside cameras let alone onboards. Today a new spectator isn't even able to see it from a onboard if the driver is in quali mode or in a race lap. You just can't see the challenges of modern F1 on TV.
I became a fan of Formula One at the peak of the turbo era. When drivers strapped themselves into cars with hand grenade engines, on gumball tyres & the only controls they needed made the car do the very basics. Just as you would in your road car.
They had enough faith in their own ability, that they could do a better job at controlling a ground-based missile than the competition.
And it was fantastic.

Then the technology started to show up & ruin the show.

Semi-auto gearboxes, active suspensions, ABS brakes, tune on the go for power or economy, how the diff reacted under different circumstances...

It was fine in the beginning because it wouldn't always work, and the guy that didn't have a.bag of tricks at his disposal could end up winning the race. Yes, his car was slower, but it was reliable.

To finish first, first you have to finish.
A saying as old as the hills and yet with today's tech making today's F1 a mobile lab on wheels, some still can't get it right on any given day.

We ultimately ended up with the scenario of Lando Norris being coached over the final laps of a race to his debut podium.
Congrats to the guy, he still had to pilot the car, but could he have got the same result without a guy in his ear? No, sorry. I don't believe so.

If we never see a Senna at Estoril 1985, his qualifying lap at Monaco '88, Mansell versus Piquet at Silverstone, Alesi versus Senna at Phoenix in '90, Schumacher on debut at Spa & taking his first win a year later, ever again?

I'm afraid the sport isn't the only loser.

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You mention Oscar Piastri. He is a rarity in what he has achieved on his rise to Formula One.
He's from my home town so I've followed his career very closely.

He is not the next Senna, Schumacher or Lewis. I'm yet to see the sheer speed of those guys.
What I do see is a Lauda, Prost or Nico Rosberg that plays the role of the tortoise, never losing sight of the main objective - He who has most points after the final chequered flag has fallen, wins the biggest trophy 🏆

Lauda used that tactic to defeat Prost in '84 when he realised he couldn't out qualify his teammate. As soon as the car rolled out of the transporter & onto the track, Lauda was working on his race setup. Races are where they award the points, not on Saturday post qualifying.

Prost employed the same tactics against Senna in 1989, as did Roseberg in his championship year. Playing the long game. Watch this space.
 

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