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What about the NSX Concept?

I have the car, it has no specs even in car settings.

**563hp, 1500kg...**

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- Thread starter MonGnoM
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- 86,056

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- GTP_Famine

What about the NSX Concept?

I have the car, it has no specs even in car settings.

- 8,945

- F1 chimp land

- AnotherStory

If you want to convert horsepower to "metric" horsepower (the most awful unit in the universe)...

We use Metric HP in the whole Europe, except you, on that island...

You should join us and be united

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We use Metric HP in the whole Europe, except you, on that island...

You should join us and be united

'Metric' horsepower is nothing of the sort. It's a rough approximation of Imperial horsepower and cannot be derived from other SI units - the metric unit is kW.

Actually all of Europe uses kW and has done since 1972. Any other unit is supplementary.

No. In practise, everyone uses HP not KW, and in case of Europe, thats Metric HP (ofcourse). Sometimes both types are used too (KW and HP), but you still have HP (metric) everywhere. Almost every car dealer, car advert or any other source of spec will use HP (metric)

'Metric' horsepower is nothing of the sort. It's a rough approximation of Imperial horsepower and cannot be derived from other SI units - the metric unit is kW.

Well no. It is a concrete unit, and not an aproximation and it has direct ratio with KW: 1.36

1KW = 1.36 Metric HP

1KW = 1.34 Imperial HP, used by UK and US (should be dropped imho )

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No. In practise, everyone uses HP not KW, and in case of Europe, thats Metric HP (ofcourse). Sometimes both types are used too, but you have HP (metric) everywhere. Almost every car salesman, car advert or any other source of spec will use HP (metric).

It has been law in the EU for 40 years that power ratings must be displayed in kW with any other unit as supplementary. What units your manufacturers choose to supplement kW with is their business, but it must be done so alongside kW.

Well no. It is a concrete unit, and not an aproximation

PS (or however it is termed locally) is an approximation of hp using metric units.

1hp is, as I'm sure you know, the amount of power required to move a 550lb mass through 1 vertical foot in one second. 1hp = 550lbft/s.

Non-avoirdupois countries don't have these units, so to adapt Watt's unit for the same purposes - advertising the equivalent power of mechanical engines compared to horses - it was approximated into kg and metres. There's about 3.3 feet in a metre and 2.2 pounds in a kilogram, so 550 was divided by 3.3 and 2.2 to reach 75.7. This is a bit messy, so it was rounded to 75 and 1PS was defined as 75kgm/s.

ALL SI units can be defined by dividing or multiplying 1 of any SI unit by 1 of any other SI unit. PS cannot - because it is not a proper metric unit.

Thus avoirdupois countries should use hp and metric ones should use kW - while the fictional PS should be confined to the scrapheap.

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- TRL_Andromeda

Correct.It has been law in the EU for 40 years that power ratings must be displayed in kW with any other unit as supplementary. What units your manufacturers choose to supplement kW with is their business, but it must be done so alongside kW. Wrong on both counts.

That is correct for imperial hp.1hp is, as I'm sure you know, the amount of power required to move a 550lb mass through 1 vertical foot in one second. 1hp = 550lbft/s.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that a metric hp is the force that is required to move 1kg of mass, 1 vertical meter, in one second. This is the formula that I have been told since I was a kid.PS (or however it is termed locally) is an approximation of hp using metric units.

Non-avoirdupois countries don't have these units, so to adapt Watt's unit for the same purposes - advertising the equivalent power of mechanical engines compared to horses - it was approximated into kg and metres. There's about 3.3 feet in a metre and 2.2 pounds in a kilogram, so 550 was divided by 3.3 and 2.2 to reach 75.7. This is a bit messy, so it was rounded to 75 and 1PS was defined as 75kgm/s.

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- GTP_Famine

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that a metric hp is the force that is required to move 1kg of mass, 1 vertical meter, in one second. This is the formula I have been told since I was a kid.

Convert 1000 metric hp to Imperial horsepower using 1hp = 550lbft/s and 1PS = 1kgm/s

Convert 1000 metric hp to Imperial horsepower using 1hp = 550lbft/s and 1PS = 75kgm/s

1kg = 2.2048lb

1m = 3.281ft

The correct answer - as you know from the Bugatti Veyron - is 986hp. The former calculation will give you 13hp:

2.2048 (kg) x 3.281 (m) = 7.233kgm

7.233kgm * 1 = 7.233

7.233/550 = 0.013

0.013 * 1000 = 13hp

The latter calculation will give you... 986hp:

2.2048 (kg) x 3.281 (m) = 7.233kgm

7.233kgm * 75 = 542.54

542.54/550 = 0.986

0.986 * 1000 = 986hp

Incidentally, the SI system also gives us a unit for kgm/s, sort of. Kilograms here means "kilogram-equivalent force" (mass times acceleration), which has the unit of "Newtons". Newtons multiplied by metres (force times distance) has the unit of Joules (work). Joules divided by seconds (work divided by time) has the unit of... guess what... Watts (power)!

1 Watt is 1 Nm/s, or about 0.1 kgm/s (actually 0.102, because a Newton is the equivalent force to 1 kilogram accelerated by 1g, which is about 9.81m/s - so 1N = 9.81kg).

So "PS" is a completely superfluous name for the wholly arbitrary value of 735.5 Watts.

Like I said, the most awful unit in the universe.

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The math, it hurts!Nope - you can do the math for yourself, if you don't believe the math I laid out for you above.

Convert 1000 metric hp to Imperial horsepower using 1hp = 550lbft/s and 1PS = 1kgm/s

Convert 1000 metric hp to Imperial horsepower using 1hp = 550lbft/s and 1PS = 75kgm/s

1kg = 2.2048lb

1m = 3.281ft

The correct answer - as you know from the Bugatti Veyron - is 986hp. The former calculation will give you 13hp:

2.2048 (kg) x 3.281 (m) = 7.233kgm

7.233kgm * 1 = 7.233

7.233/550 = 0.013

0.013 * 1000 = 13hp

The latter calculation will give you... 986hp:

2.2048 (kg) x 3.281 (m) = 7.233kgm

7.233kgm * 75 = 542.54

542.54/550 = 0.986

0.986 * 1000 = 986hp

Incidentally, the SI system also gives us a unit for kgm/s, sort of. Kilograms here means "kilogram-equivalent force" (mass times acceleration), which has the unit of "Newtons". Newtons multiplied by metres (force times distance) has the unit of Joules (work). Joules divided by seconds (work divided by time) has the unit of... guess what... Watts (power)!

1 Watt is 1 Nm/s, or about 0.1 kgm/s (actually 0.102, because a Newton is the equivalent force to 1 kilogram accelerated by 1g, which is about 9.81m/s - so 1N = 9.81kg).

So "PS" is a completely superfluous name for the wholly arbitrary value of 735.5 Watts.

Like I said, the most awful unit in the universe.

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- TRL_Andromeda

@Famine , Yeah... read it 2 times and I'm still not sure I get it to 100%, but its obvious that you're right. my bad.

I'd say ditch hp and bhp alltogether, by all countries, KW is a far better way of measuring power.

Anyway, back on topic:

@MonGnoM: What exactley are we looking for here? Because there are alot of cars that lack specifications in the dealership, but once you have bought them the spec's are visible in the garage, (like the ones @iName listed). And then there is the cars that lack specifications alltogether (i.e. the NSX concept, GT-R 2020 VGT, Toyota FT-1 etc.)

I'd say ditch hp and bhp alltogether, by all countries, KW is a far better way of measuring power.

Anyway, back on topic:

@MonGnoM: What exactley are we looking for here? Because there are alot of cars that lack specifications in the dealership, but once you have bought them the spec's are visible in the garage, (like the ones @iName listed). And then there is the cars that lack specifications alltogether (i.e. the NSX concept, GT-R 2020 VGT, Toyota FT-1 etc.)

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What is your guess? I can't really guess anything really. I may understand concept cars since they don't have necessarily all the specs set in stone but what about the cars that aren't concept cars? It's frustrating.That's a question no-one but PD can answer. I can take a guess at it, but it'd be no better than anyone else's guess - also, it really irritates me.

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"metric" horsepower (the most awful unit in the universe)

Getting back to that after the next quote:

Actually all of Europe uses kW and has done since 1972. Any other unit is supplementary.

'Metric' horsepower is nothing of the sort. It's a rough approximation of Imperial horsepower and cannot be derived from other SI units - the metric unit is kW.

While this might be true for Europe (about the metric unit being kW - I haven't researched that fact), PD isn't European and cares like I don't want to know about kW.

If "metric" horsepower, such as "PS" is like 'the most awful unit in the universe', how come PD are using it internally inside GT6 to derive all other power units from it - at least when the value is shown? Same goes for distance. They're metric and I like that. But, I can also understand that you don't like that, as you're used to (in my opinion 'weird') imperial measures

It's just too bad that I am - per AUP - not allowed to post hard facts about that here..

So, just feed for thought or other speculation

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If "metric" horsepower, such as "PS" is like 'the most awful unit in the universe', how come PD are using it internally inside GT6 to derive all other power units from it - at least when the value is shown?

They also pair power PS with torque in Nm, which is so infuriatingly idiotic that I can't even begin to fathom it (PS = kgfm/s, so torque should be in kgfm; similarly hp = lbfft/s, so torque should be in lbfft).

They're metric and I like that. But, I can also understand that you don't like that, as you're used to (in my opinion 'weird') imperial measures

No-one who's studied science, mathematics or engineering should be happy with the PS unit because it's an Imperial unit masquerading as a metric one, not an actual metric unit.

It's just too bad that I am - per AUP - not allowed to post hard facts about that here..

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It's a Japanese company and the Japanese car market uses PS as standard...

I can deal with that, we're still used to the "PS" measure here in Germany as well. Although regulations want to make us use "kW" for quite some years now. I can recall the factor for kW to PS conversion from mind. 1.36..

But on the other side.. it's really annoying for me, that "kW" also shows up on my OFW PS3 - while I know that PD are using "PS" internally. And I couldn't just switch it to anything else. I would have

They also pair power PS with torque in Nm, which is so infuriatingly idiotic that I can't even begin to fathom it (PS = kgfm/s, so torque should be in kgfm; similarly hp = lbfft/s, so torque should be in lbfft).

Bare with me, I'm not calling you out on what is about to follow..

I must admit, that's way too much techno-babble for me.. See below..

Uhh, no? I don't like arbitrary measures that pretend to be metric when they aren't. Read this post and this post again, where I literally spell out what the PS unit is, from where it's derived (Imperial horsepower) and why it isn't an acceptable metric unit.

To be honest, I'm afraid to read these posts. Like I stated above, and with the next quote come to my conclustion:

No-one who's studied science, mathematics or engineering should be happy with the PS unit because it's an Imperial unit masquerading as a metric one, not an actual metric unit.I have absolutely no idea what this means.

Yeah. There's the difference. I've never studied anything, yet I know nothing about all this fancy conversions. And how they apply or not.

But, I still noticed you've completely avoided my original question: "how come PD are using it internally"?

I do however have some other abilities (without studying at all), and they would allow me to reply to this:

I have absolutely no idea what this means.

Posting stuff that isn't covered/allowed to be posted by the AUP.. Like what PD are using internally to determine measures of power - which is then derived to any other measure being shown on localized screens. And where all of this nice data is stored at all - plus more data that just shouldn't be unveiled in public.

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You said you've covered all cars in terms of their power. Regardless of the unit - I just wondered where and how you derived all that values. While you where complaining about "PS" - where I think I know better about their original power mesasure as used in the game

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For example:

Honda NSX Concept: 563hp / 1500kg

If Wolfram Alpha doesn't show you the unit conversion you want straight away, you can suffix "to [desired unit]" in the query (e.g. 1500kg to ounces).

Also, if you type something like "1500kg" in a Google search, there will be unit conversion tools.

Hope this helps everyone! Good to see the hidden stats for these cars.

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For example i want to know how heavy this particular car is.

So I start guessing the weight.

Instead of clicking around for hours by guessing the weight, could you create a list of all cars where the power/weight values cannot be seen in game?

I might help out on the list then..

I couldn't realible determine if the cars I'm suspecting are all the cars where the specs are hidden.

At a best guess, we're talking about 82 cars for Patch 1.19 in total..

And from that 82, 22 are Nascars from '10 and '11.

But as said, at a best guess.. there might be other facts that may lead to if all values are shown or not.. That's why I'm asking for a list.

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- ZedMan1996

The method that I use, as I have a crap load of cars in my garage, I just set the cars list to power, or weight, and see where the car with the unknown specs lands within the list, giving you a near 100% accuracy if you have a heap load of cars, saves alot more time than using the lobby function.

Buying them doesn't always reveal specs like weight and power - it works for some cars but not for all of them.

The method that I use, as I have a crap load of cars in my garage, I just set the cars list to power, or weight, and see where the car with the unknown specs lands within the list, giving you a near 100% accuracy if you have a heap load of cars, saves alot more time than using the lobby function.

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But, I still noticed you've completely avoided my original question: "how come PD are using it internally"?*EDIT*with the additional question of: "when it is THAT bad?"

It's a Japanese company and the Japanese car market uses PS as standard...

A large proportion of the motoring world also likes to use PS because it gives the biggest numbers. They even include it in the names of their cars. But it doesn't change the fact that it is a redundant, Imperial-derived unit.

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[...]

A large proportion of the motoring world also likes to use PS because it gives the biggest numbers.

[...]

THIS.

(And also the owner like to talk about PS instead of kW because of the larger number...)

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Aside from that being literally my first response to your question: PS is what the Japanese car market uses as standard, thus PD are more familiar with (and will naturally use) PS units.

When re-reading what I've posted on the next day, I already suspected that my real point would get "lost" as I sometimes like to digress on minor things. But I'm not a friend of re-editing what I've written - fully tearing it out of context this way.

Nevermind, I think we can safely put this to rest then..

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However, it's been a week since I've posted an offer about the matter and no one cared about a single car, let alone setting up a complete list.

This means, I'll cancel my offer about sharing some light about how things are working internally.

Have fun clicking for hours, to determine an approximate value

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However, it's been a week since I've posted an offer about the matter and no one cared about a single car, let alone setting up a complete list.

Have fun clicking for hours, to determine an approximate value

I should mention that they're all in GTPEDIA, for all cars in all of the games which brandish any power or weight stat of "-".

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This one?

Oh and @Famine

kW and Nm for life

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- MonGnoM

Now included the Mitsubishi

CZ-3 Tarmac '01: ................................................................................... 225hp / 1200kg

Tajima Sports E Runner: .......................................................................... 887hp / 1640kg

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@MonGnoM : Here is the complete list of all hidden specs (bhp and weight only).

And to clarify, they're all in imperial bhp.

The bolden ones are the ones that are completely hidden (i.e. spec's dont show up in the garage even after buying them)

Abarth 1500 Biposto Bertone B.A.T 1 '52 - 73bhp/870kg

Acura DN-X '02 - 1400kg

Acura HSC '04 - 324bhp/1150kg

**Acura NSX CONCEPT '13 - 564bhp/1500kg**

Acura NSX LM Race Car '91 - 373bhp/1045kg

Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale '11 - 1552kg

Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo - 616bhp/1120kg

Amuse S2000 Street Version '04 - 1190kg

Art Morrison Corvette'60 - 536bhp/1437kg

Audi TT-R '02 - 1080kg

Audi Nuvolari quattro '03 - 1550kg

Audi Pikes Peak quattro '03 - 1900kg

Audi R8 LMS '09 - 528bhp/1300kg

Audi R8 LMS (Team PlayStation) '09 - 528bhp/1300kg

Ayrton Senna DAP Racing Kart #17 '80 - 29bhp/63kg

Ayrton Senna LOTUS 97T '85 - 999bhp/540kg

Ayrton Senna West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna - 164bhp/455kg

BLITZ DUNLOP ER34 SKYLINE '07 - 1252kg

BLITZ ER34 D1 SPEC '04 - 1180kg

BMW Concept 1 Series tii '07 - 304bhp/1520kg

BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 - 602bhp/950kg

Cadillac CIEN '02 - 1450kg

Chaparral Chevrolet Chaparral 2X Vision Gran Turismo - 905bhp/450kg

Chevrolet 2010 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/ National Guard CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Jeff Gordon #24 DuPont CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot/Old Spice CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/ NG CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Jeff Gordon #24 Drive to End Hunger CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 National Guard CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Jeff Gordon #24 Drive to End Hunger CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Tony Stewart #14 Bass Pro Shops CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car - 592bhp

Chevrolet Camaro SS Touring Car '10 - 575bhp/1210kg

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car '69 - 423bhp/1085kg

Chevrolet Corvette C7 Test Prototype - 455bhp/1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette StingRay Racer Concept '59 - 1150kg

Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 - 1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Gran Turismo Concept '13 - 453bhp/1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car '06 - 656bhp/1090kg

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) LM Race Car '09 - 817bhp/1100kg

Citroën GT by Citroën Race Car - 599bhp/1200kg

Citroën GT by Citroën Road Car - 500bhp/1450kg

Dodge Challenger R/T Race Car '70 - 601bhp/1260kg

Ferrari 458 Italia '09 - 1485kg

Ferrari California '08 - 1630kg

Ferrari F40 '92 - 1352kg

Ferrari SP1 '08 - 495bhp/1450kg

Fisker Karma EcoSport '12 - 398bhp

Ford 2010 AJ Allmendinger #43 Best Buy FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2010 Carl Edwards #99 Aflac FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2011 AJ Allmendinger #43 Best Buy FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2011 Carl Edwards #99 Aflac FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2013 Aric Almirola #43 Farmland FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2013 Carl Edwards #99 Fastenal FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford Focus RS '02 - 1050kg

Ford GT '06 - 1451kg

Ford GT Concept '02 - 1451kg

Ford GT LM Race Car - 606bhp/1140kg

Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II - 606bhp/1130kg

Ford RS200 Rally Car '85 - 980kg

Gran Turismo Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car - 590bhp/1165kg

Gran Turismo Formula Gran Turismo - 891bhp/550kg

Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance GRAN TURISMO 350Z RS - 491bhp/1450kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 100 - 22bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 100 SPL. - 22bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 SPL. - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 Shifter - 49bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart Junior - 11bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull Racing Kart 125 - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 Prototype - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 S.Vettel - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2011 Prototype - 1556bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Fan Car - 1193bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Junior - 246bhp/550kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Standard - 798bhp/560kg

High End Performance G37 - 1450kg

Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) Touring Car '97 - 247bhp/845kg

Honda CR-Z Touring Car- 199bhp

Honda DUALNOTE '01 - 1400kg

Honda HSC "The 37th Tokyo Motor Show Concept Car" '03 - 324bhp/1150kg

Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04 - 298bhp/950kg

Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car - 305bhp

**Honda NSX CONCEPT '13 - 564bhp/1500kg**

Honda NSX-R Concept '01 - 1270kg

Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car - 1120bhp

Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car - 1230bhp

Honda S2000 LM Race Car - 315bhp

HPA Motorsports FT565 twin turbo Audi TT - 1338kg

Hudson Mario Andretti's 1948 Hudson - 145bhp/1292kg

Hyundai CLIX '01 - 1320kg

Hyundai Click Type-R '04 - 950kg

Hyundai HCD-6 '01 - 1150kg

Hyundai Tuscani CCS '03 - 1440kg

Infiniti CONCEPT Vision Gran Turismo - 535bhp/1680kg

Infiniti Coupe Concept '06 - 330bhp/1665kg

Infiniti FX45 Concept '02 - 1500kg

Isuzu 4200R '89 - 1500kg

Jay leno Tank Car '03 - 3500kg

Lamborghini Miura P400 Bertone Prototype CN.0706 '67 - 980kg

Lancia STRATOS Rally Car '77 - 880kg

Lexus IS F CCS-R '11 - 1400kg

Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08 - 525bhp/1350kg

Lexus IS F Touring Car '07 - 619bhp/1185kg

Lexus LF-LC GT "Vision Gran Turismo" - 612bhp/1075kg

Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04 - 261bhp/720kg

Lotus Elise Race Car '96 - 173bhp/645kg

Lotus Evora '09 - 1330kg

Mazda Atenza Concept '01 - 1300kg

Mazda Atenza Touring Car - 295bhp

Mazda Furai '08 - 500bhp/675kg

Mazda KUSABI '03 - 900kg

**Mazda LM55 Vision Gran Turismo - 791bhp/830kg**

Mazda MX-Crossport '05 - 255bhp/1600kg

Mazda Mazda6 Concept '01 - 1300kg

Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car - 304bhp

Mazda Mazdaspeed Atenza '05 - 1500kg

Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car - 500bhp

Mazda RX-7 Touring Car - 463bhp

Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) '01 - 1200kg

Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car - 500bhp

Mazda Roadster Touring Car - 205bhp

Mercedes-Benz AMG 190 E 2.5 -16 Evolution II '92 - 980kg

Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes CLK-LM '98 - 1000kg

Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01 - 225bhp/1200kg

Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car - 314bhp

Mitsubishi Concept XR-PHEV EVOLUTION Vision Gran Turismo - 502bhp

Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car - 423bhp

Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car '74 - 825kg

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR Touring Car '05 - 401bhp/1080kg

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Rally Car - 441bhp

Mitsubishi PAJERO Evolution Rally Raid Car '03 - 1825kg

NISMO Fairlady Z S-tune concept by GRANTURISMO (Z33) '02 - 273bhp/1320kg

NISMO Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03 - 384bhp/1250kg

Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car - 499bhp

**Nissan CONCEPT 2020 Vision Gran Turismo - 697bhp/1575kg**

Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car - 608bhp

Nissan GT-R Black Mask '07 - 502bhp/1740kg

Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01 - 447bhp/1560kg

Nissan GT-R Concept LM Race Car - 616bhp

Nissan GT-R LM Nismo '15 - 604bhp

Nissan mm-R Cup Car '01 - 137bhp/672kg

Nissan GT-R N24 GT Academy '12 - 1700kg

Nissan GT-R Proto '05 - 445bhp/1730kg

Nissan GT-R R35 Touring Car - 654bhp

Nissan OPTION Stream Z '04 - 1440kg

Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car '02 - 355bhp/1000kg

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R32 Touring Car - 495bhp

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R33 Touring Car - 520bhp

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R34 Touring Car - 555bhp

Nissan Zytek Z11SN Greaves Motorsport '13 - 900kg

Opera Performance 350Z '04 - 345bhp/1340kg

Opera Performance S2000 '04 - 270bhp/930kg

Pagani Zonda LM Race Car - 650bhp

Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car '98 - 741bhp

Pescarolo C60 Hybride - Judd '05 - 900kg

Pescarolo Courage - Judd GV5 '04 - 900kg

Pescarolo Courage C60 - Peugeot '03 - 900kg

Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60 - 1500kg

RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7 - 1240kg

Renault Sport Clio V6 Trophy 24V '00 - 293bhp

Renault Sport Lutecia R.S. Trophy V6 24V '00 - 293bhp

Scion FR-S '12 - 1230kg

Spoon CR-Z - 142bhp/1130kg

Spoon FIT Race Car '03 - 123bhp/990kg

Spoon INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99 - 216bhp/1080kg

SRT Challenger SRT8 Touring Car - 604bhp

SRT Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 - 587bhp

SRT Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #91 '00 - 587bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype '01 - 300bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI Rally Car '05 - 410bhp/1065kg

Subaru IMPREZA Super Touring Car - 415bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Touring Car - 454bhp

Subaru IMPREZA WRC 2008 - 1230kg

Suzuki CONCEPT-S2 '03 - 176bhp/1000kg

Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) Race Car '95 - 91bhp/590kg

**Tajima 2012 Monster Sport E-RUNNER Pikes Peak Special - 887bhp/1640kg**

Toyota 2010 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Matt Kenseth #20 Dollar General/Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 86 Race Car Base Model '12 - 1230kg

Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car - 300bhp

**Toyota FT-1 - 486bhp/1320kg**

Toyota FT-1 graphite - 486bhp/1320kg

Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo - 614bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 - 227bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10 - 298bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86II concept '11 - 198bhp/1230kg

Toyota GAZOO Racing TOYOTA 86 #166 '12 - 1230kg

Toyota PRIUS Touring Car - 201bhp

Toyota RSC '01 - 276bhp/1350kg

Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car - 416bhp

Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00 - 207bhp

Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12 - 529bhp/900kg

TVR Tuscan Speed 6 Touring Car '00 - 495bhp/885kg

Volkswagen GTI Roadster Vision Gran Turismo - 551bhp/1200kg

Volkswagen GTI Supersport Vision Gran Turismo - 551bhp/1200kg

Volkswagen Golf IV GTI Touring Car '01 - 216bhp/980kg

Volkswagen W12 Nardo '01 - 1300kg

And to clarify, they're all in imperial bhp.

The bolden ones are the ones that are completely hidden (i.e. spec's dont show up in the garage even after buying them)

Abarth 1500 Biposto Bertone B.A.T 1 '52 - 73bhp/870kg

Acura DN-X '02 - 1400kg

Acura HSC '04 - 324bhp/1150kg

Acura NSX LM Race Car '91 - 373bhp/1045kg

Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale '11 - 1552kg

Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo - 616bhp/1120kg

Amuse S2000 Street Version '04 - 1190kg

Art Morrison Corvette'60 - 536bhp/1437kg

Audi TT-R '02 - 1080kg

Audi Nuvolari quattro '03 - 1550kg

Audi Pikes Peak quattro '03 - 1900kg

Audi R8 LMS '09 - 528bhp/1300kg

Audi R8 LMS (Team PlayStation) '09 - 528bhp/1300kg

Ayrton Senna DAP Racing Kart #17 '80 - 29bhp/63kg

Ayrton Senna LOTUS 97T '85 - 999bhp/540kg

Ayrton Senna West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna - 164bhp/455kg

BLITZ DUNLOP ER34 SKYLINE '07 - 1252kg

BLITZ ER34 D1 SPEC '04 - 1180kg

BMW Concept 1 Series tii '07 - 304bhp/1520kg

BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 - 602bhp/950kg

Cadillac CIEN '02 - 1450kg

Chaparral Chevrolet Chaparral 2X Vision Gran Turismo - 905bhp/450kg

Chevrolet 2010 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/ National Guard CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Jeff Gordon #24 DuPont CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2010 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot/Old Spice CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/ NG CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Jeff Gordon #24 Drive to End Hunger CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2011 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot CHEVROLET IMPALA - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 National Guard CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Jeff Gordon #24 Drive to End Hunger CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet 2013 Tony Stewart #14 Bass Pro Shops CHEVROLET SS - 849bhp/1565kg

Chevrolet Camaro LM Race Car - 592bhp

Chevrolet Camaro SS Touring Car '10 - 575bhp/1210kg

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Race Car '69 - 423bhp/1085kg

Chevrolet Corvette C7 Test Prototype - 455bhp/1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette StingRay Racer Concept '59 - 1150kg

Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 - 1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Gran Turismo Concept '13 - 453bhp/1500kg

Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car '06 - 656bhp/1090kg

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) LM Race Car '09 - 817bhp/1100kg

Citroën GT by Citroën Race Car - 599bhp/1200kg

Citroën GT by Citroën Road Car - 500bhp/1450kg

Dodge Challenger R/T Race Car '70 - 601bhp/1260kg

Ferrari 458 Italia '09 - 1485kg

Ferrari California '08 - 1630kg

Ferrari F40 '92 - 1352kg

Ferrari SP1 '08 - 495bhp/1450kg

Fisker Karma EcoSport '12 - 398bhp

Ford 2010 AJ Allmendinger #43 Best Buy FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2010 Carl Edwards #99 Aflac FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2011 AJ Allmendinger #43 Best Buy FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2011 Carl Edwards #99 Aflac FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2013 Aric Almirola #43 Farmland FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford 2013 Carl Edwards #99 Fastenal FORD FUSION - 849bhp/1565kg

Ford Focus RS '02 - 1050kg

Ford GT '06 - 1451kg

Ford GT Concept '02 - 1451kg

Ford GT LM Race Car - 606bhp/1140kg

Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II - 606bhp/1130kg

Ford RS200 Rally Car '85 - 980kg

Gran Turismo Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car - 590bhp/1165kg

Gran Turismo Formula Gran Turismo - 891bhp/550kg

Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance GRAN TURISMO 350Z RS - 491bhp/1450kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 100 - 22bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 100 SPL. - 22bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 SPL. - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 Shifter - 49bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Racing Kart Junior - 11bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull Racing Kart 125 - 29bhp/80kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 Prototype - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2010 S.Vettel - 1482bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2011 Prototype - 1556bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Fan Car - 1193bhp/545kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Junior - 246bhp/550kg

Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Standard - 798bhp/560kg

High End Performance G37 - 1450kg

Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) Touring Car '97 - 247bhp/845kg

Honda CR-Z Touring Car- 199bhp

Honda DUALNOTE '01 - 1400kg

Honda HSC "The 37th Tokyo Motor Show Concept Car" '03 - 324bhp/1150kg

Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04 - 298bhp/950kg

Honda INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car - 305bhp

Honda NSX-R Concept '01 - 1270kg

Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car - 1120bhp

Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car - 1230bhp

Honda S2000 LM Race Car - 315bhp

HPA Motorsports FT565 twin turbo Audi TT - 1338kg

Hudson Mario Andretti's 1948 Hudson - 145bhp/1292kg

Hyundai CLIX '01 - 1320kg

Hyundai Click Type-R '04 - 950kg

Hyundai HCD-6 '01 - 1150kg

Hyundai Tuscani CCS '03 - 1440kg

Infiniti CONCEPT Vision Gran Turismo - 535bhp/1680kg

Infiniti Coupe Concept '06 - 330bhp/1665kg

Infiniti FX45 Concept '02 - 1500kg

Isuzu 4200R '89 - 1500kg

Jay leno Tank Car '03 - 3500kg

Lamborghini Miura P400 Bertone Prototype CN.0706 '67 - 980kg

Lancia STRATOS Rally Car '77 - 880kg

Lexus IS F CCS-R '11 - 1400kg

Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08 - 525bhp/1350kg

Lexus IS F Touring Car '07 - 619bhp/1185kg

Lexus LF-LC GT "Vision Gran Turismo" - 612bhp/1075kg

Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04 - 261bhp/720kg

Lotus Elise Race Car '96 - 173bhp/645kg

Lotus Evora '09 - 1330kg

Mazda Atenza Concept '01 - 1300kg

Mazda Atenza Touring Car - 295bhp

Mazda Furai '08 - 500bhp/675kg

Mazda KUSABI '03 - 900kg

Mazda MX-Crossport '05 - 255bhp/1600kg

Mazda Mazda6 Concept '01 - 1300kg

Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car - 304bhp

Mazda Mazdaspeed Atenza '05 - 1500kg

Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car - 500bhp

Mazda RX-7 Touring Car - 463bhp

Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) '01 - 1200kg

Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car - 500bhp

Mazda Roadster Touring Car - 205bhp

Mercedes-Benz AMG 190 E 2.5 -16 Evolution II '92 - 980kg

Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes CLK-LM '98 - 1000kg

Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01 - 225bhp/1200kg

Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car - 314bhp

Mitsubishi Concept XR-PHEV EVOLUTION Vision Gran Turismo - 502bhp

Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car - 423bhp

Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car '74 - 825kg

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR Touring Car '05 - 401bhp/1080kg

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Rally Car - 441bhp

Mitsubishi PAJERO Evolution Rally Raid Car '03 - 1825kg

NISMO Fairlady Z S-tune concept by GRANTURISMO (Z33) '02 - 273bhp/1320kg

NISMO Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03 - 384bhp/1250kg

Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car - 499bhp

Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car - 608bhp

Nissan GT-R Black Mask '07 - 502bhp/1740kg

Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01 - 447bhp/1560kg

Nissan GT-R Concept LM Race Car - 616bhp

Nissan GT-R LM Nismo '15 - 604bhp

Nissan mm-R Cup Car '01 - 137bhp/672kg

Nissan GT-R N24 GT Academy '12 - 1700kg

Nissan GT-R Proto '05 - 445bhp/1730kg

Nissan GT-R R35 Touring Car - 654bhp

Nissan OPTION Stream Z '04 - 1440kg

Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car '02 - 355bhp/1000kg

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R32 Touring Car - 495bhp

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R33 Touring Car - 520bhp

Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R34 Touring Car - 555bhp

Nissan Zytek Z11SN Greaves Motorsport '13 - 900kg

Opera Performance 350Z '04 - 345bhp/1340kg

Opera Performance S2000 '04 - 270bhp/930kg

Pagani Zonda LM Race Car - 650bhp

Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car '98 - 741bhp

Pescarolo C60 Hybride - Judd '05 - 900kg

Pescarolo Courage - Judd GV5 '04 - 900kg

Pescarolo Courage C60 - Peugeot '03 - 900kg

Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60 - 1500kg

RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7 - 1240kg

Renault Sport Clio V6 Trophy 24V '00 - 293bhp

Renault Sport Lutecia R.S. Trophy V6 24V '00 - 293bhp

Scion FR-S '12 - 1230kg

Spoon CR-Z - 142bhp/1130kg

Spoon FIT Race Car '03 - 123bhp/990kg

Spoon INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99 - 216bhp/1080kg

SRT Challenger SRT8 Touring Car - 604bhp

SRT Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 - 587bhp

SRT Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #91 '00 - 587bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype '01 - 300bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI Rally Car '05 - 410bhp/1065kg

Subaru IMPREZA Super Touring Car - 415bhp

Subaru IMPREZA Touring Car - 454bhp

Subaru IMPREZA WRC 2008 - 1230kg

Suzuki CONCEPT-S2 '03 - 176bhp/1000kg

Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) Race Car '95 - 91bhp/590kg

Toyota 2010 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2010 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2011 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 2013 Matt Kenseth #20 Dollar General/Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY - 849bhp/1565kg

Toyota 86 Race Car Base Model '12 - 1230kg

Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car - 300bhp

Toyota FT-1 graphite - 486bhp/1320kg

Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo - 614bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 - 227bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10 - 298bhp/1000kg

Toyota FT-86II concept '11 - 198bhp/1230kg

Toyota GAZOO Racing TOYOTA 86 #166 '12 - 1230kg

Toyota PRIUS Touring Car - 201bhp

Toyota RSC '01 - 276bhp/1350kg

Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car - 416bhp

Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00 - 207bhp

Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12 - 529bhp/900kg

TVR Tuscan Speed 6 Touring Car '00 - 495bhp/885kg

Volkswagen GTI Roadster Vision Gran Turismo - 551bhp/1200kg

Volkswagen GTI Supersport Vision Gran Turismo - 551bhp/1200kg

Volkswagen Golf IV GTI Touring Car '01 - 216bhp/980kg

Volkswagen W12 Nardo '01 - 1300kg

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I downloaded mcsqueegy's list and have been updating it with the new cars and cars with hidden values; and I have been trying to get all the in-game categories on the list. My updated list is here.

Excellent list kukenjitsu. Cheers.

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