*UPDATE* Troops blow up LM002 and 550

[Tornado]

+1

That and its a very ugly worthless car at that. Now if they blew up an actual cool Lamborghini like a Coutach THEN and only then would I be slightly irritated--but nothing like the overreactions like the others in this thread.

The LM002 has about 5000% more worth in the practicality sense (which was how you phrased it, so don't try to make it sound like you were talking about dollar value) than the Countach, based purely that tiny little ability it has over the Countach to be, you know, used.

 

[JCE]

The LM002 has about 5000% more worth in the practicality sense (which was how you phrased it, so don't try to make it sound like you were talking about dollar value) than the Countach, based purely that tiny little ability it has over the Countach to be, you know, used.

You are actually comparing this POS:

To this brilliantly great looking car:

Oh yea, I'd MUUUUUUUCH rather have that POS LM002 than a Countach. [/sarcasm]

*edit*
And something being "used" is subjective for each person. I WOULD drive my Countach around.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

You are actually comparing this POS:

To this brilliantly great looking car:

Oh yea, I'd MUUUUUUUCH rather have that POS LM002 than a Countach. [/sarcasm]

*edit*
And something being "used" is subjective for each person. I WOULD drive my Countach around.

I remember Top Gear test drove the Countach once. As James May said, it was a case "never meet your heroes". It is difficult to drive requiring "gorilla arms just to shift gears", is hot as hell inside, with very limited rear and side visibility, and required him to climb half out of the car to get the visibility needed to parallel park. It's a cool car, but I'd take a Muira or a Diablo over it any day. With the LM002, you could actually use it for practical things, plus you can go offroad. And not many Lamborghinis can do that

Just because you don't like a car, doesn't mean no one else does.

 

[Tornado]

*edit*
And something being "used" is subjective for each person. I WOULD drive my Countach around.

I'm sure you would until you realised how horrible it was to actually drive.
And I'd love to see you try to go shopping with it.
And the great thing is that practicality (as in, usefullness. ie: "worth") is not subjective and can be measured. Quite easily too.
And either way, you called a late model Countach a "brilliantly great looking car" when it was covered with more randam angles and poor design choices than the Pontiac Aztek.

I remember Top Gear test drove the Countach once. As James May said, it was a case "never meet your heroes".

I remember that episode. That was the last one the Discovery channel showed in America.

 

[McLaren]

You are actually comparing this POS:

To this brilliantly great looking car:

Oh yea, I'd MUUUUUUUCH rather have that POS LM002 than a Countach. [/sarcasm]

*edit*
And something being "used" is subjective for each person. I WOULD drive my Countach around.

I hope you know that "POS" used the Countach engine when it first came out.

So, the Lamborghini you love so much technically had its engine blown up.

 

[Barracuda]

Maybe Doug cares about Diablos. If they are all destroyed, are you going to tell Doug, "Why do you care? You'll never afford one."

If the topic was "All LM002's were destroyed" then ya, i would be right on with you guys. There are still some out there though, so your comparison is wrong.

Like it was also said, if it was something like a diablo or countach i may be a little miffed. But who doesn't know what a diablo or countach is, so i highly doubt any soldier would be stupid enough to destroy one.

I was also under the impression from you guys making such a big deal that it would be in the 100,000 - 300,000 range, thats why i compared the situation to an enzo situation.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Like it was also said, if it was something like a diablo or countach i may be a little miffed. But who doesn't know what a diablo or countach is, so i highly doubt any soldier would be stupid enough to destroy one.

You think it's not a big deal because you do not like the car. Yet you acknowledge that if it were a different Lambo, you would care. This makes you a hypocrite when you say things like:

First of all, what the hell do you guys care.

Just substitute LM002 with Diablo, and apparently you would.
We care because we like the car. Why do you care so much that we care, anyway?

 

[Tornado]

Like it was also said, if it was something like a diablo or countach i may be a little miffed.

OSNAPDOUBLESTANDARD!

I was also under the impression from you guys making such a big deal that it would be in the 100,000 - 300,000 range, thats why i compared the situation to an enzo situation.

And what the hell does price have to do with anything? I'm deeply saddened whenever I see Z32 300ZXs ruined by morons with stickers and paint, and those can be had for 10 grand for immaculate cars. CRXs pull similar heartstrings, and they can be bought for the average monthly pizza bill of college students.

 

[Barracuda]

You think it's not a big deal because you do not like the car. Yet you acknowledge that if it were a different Lambo, you would care. This makes you a hypocrite when you say things like:

Just substitute LM002 with Diablo, and apparently you would.
We care because we like the car. Why do you care so much that we care, anyway?

Because In my opinion I dont think its a car really worth caring that much about. so I am voicing my opinion on this matter which happens to go against your opinion.

Isn't bolding fun

 

[Tornado]

Because In my opinion I dont think its a car really worth caring that much about. so I am voicing my opinion on this matter which happens to go against your opinion.

That is not the problem. What is is that you are voicing your opinion in that it should apply to everyone, and that it is senseless if it does not.

Isn't bolding fun

Not as fun as italicising.

 

[McLaren]

Because In my opinion I dont think its a car really worth caring that much about. so I am voicing my opinion on this matter which happens to go against your opinion.

Isn't bolding fun

Then we are voicing ours by saying, "Why the hell do you care? You'll never be able to afford one anyways."

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Isn't bolding fun

Sorry, it just looked like you could use some help in recognizing double standards.

 

[Barracuda]

Then we are voicing ours by saying, "Why the hell do you care? You'll never be able to afford one anyways."

and thats perfectly acceptable, its you guy's opinion.

I need to work on my arguing, most of the time what say is close to what i mean, but ends up coming out all wrong and gets used against me plenty of times, lol.

your right, italicizing is pretty fun

 

[Joey D]

Yes, many things have been sent over there to entertain our troops but do you really think a couple of concerts and games makes the cut. These people are out there with families at home (maybe even children) fighting for our country and in constant awareness that their life may end at any second, so why be fun nazi's and set strict rules for when our soldiers are on their own time.

They chose to be in the military, therefore they chose to be there. They get more entertainment then any other profession I can think of. They should just do there job like the rest of the population (excluding the UAW because they don't do their job, they build shotty cars ).

America is heavilly in debt, over $40 trillion USD in debt in fact. It's over $100k USD per citizen worth of dept. I would think that money should be a very big issue for Americans

It's not and it makes me sick to send the government money from my taxes. They spend it so freely without regards to the people financing their little adventures.

Okay. Next time they want to have fun, they can play a game of Monopoly instead of wasting taxpayers money with explosives by blowing up rare cars. Since the money is so important to you.

Sounds like a first rate plan to me.

 

[harrytuttle]

My first reaction was "You **** ******* ****** ** **** ** * **!" Then I realized it was just a car, but thinking yet again, who cares what they blew up? The fact that these guys are blowing up random stuff in the first place is the problem. If this is a morale-booster, the troops need something else to do -- like come back home.

I mourn for many things from this story: the loss of one LM002 that didn't die of natural, rust-related causes; the ignorance of what was being destroyed; the lack of common sense or consideration from the troops; and the war in general.

Ironically, I still would love to see the video of the explosion. Sounds like it was funny to watch.

 

[JCE]

I remember Top Gear test drove the Countach once. As James May said, it was a case "never meet your heroes". It is difficult to drive requiring "gorilla arms just to shift gears", is hot as hell inside, with very limited rear and side visibility, and required him to climb half out of the car to get the visibility needed to parallel park. It's a cool car, but I'd take a Muira or a Diablo over it any day. With the LM002, you could actually use it for practical things, plus you can go offroad. And not many Lamborghinis can do that

Just because you don't like a car, doesn't mean no one else does.

I have strong Gorilla arms. I lived in Texas during the summer in a Camaro with no A/C or interior. I don't care about rear visibility, I care about forward and side visibility. I've owned a Corvette, 3000GT, and a Camaro and let me tell you that they aren't very easy to get in and out of being 6ft. 230lbs. The Countach is not my hero, it is however a car I really like.

I'm sure you would until you realised how horrible it was to actually drive.
And I'd love to see you try to go shopping with it.
And the great thing is that practicality (as in, usefullness. ie: "worth") is not subjective and can be measured. Quite easily too.
And either way, you called a late model Countach a "brilliantly great looking car" when it was covered with more randam angles and poor design choices than the Pontiac Aztek.

I remember that episode. That was the last one the Discovery channel showed in America.

Practicality is indeed subjective to each person. YOUR opinion of practicality is different from mine. "Worth" and "usefulness" aren't the same thing. If I had the Countach I'd have another vehicle to go
shopping in as do EVERY single Countach owner DOES. YOUR opinion about the exerior design is exactly that, your opinion...which you are entitled to. But comparing it to the Aztek? You are hitting below the belt on that one.

I hope you know that "POS" used the Countach engine when it first came out.

Doesn't matter, the vehicle is still a POS in my opinion.

 

[Dave A]

A guy who lives near me owns a Countach, he loves owning it but hates driving it. He much prefers his Capri (yes, as in Ford Capri) and his Rolls when it comes to getting behind the wheel. I'll have to snap a picture next time I'm near there, he has a few cars.

 

[Tornado]

Practicality is indeed subjective to each person. YOUR opinion of practicality is different from mine.

No, because practicality is not subjective. It either seats X amount of people or it doesnt. It either has Z amount of headroom or not It either has room for Y amount of items or not. The LM002 has far more X, Y and Z value than the Countach could even dream of.

"Worth" and "usefulness" aren't the same thing.

There are 2 definitions for worth: Monetary value or ability to be used (look at that, the same definition of usefullness). We already established that it has monetary value, so you were either being ignorant or you mean ability to be used.

If I had the Countach I'd have another vehicle to go
shopping in as do EVERY single Countach owner DOES.

I'm sure Countach owners put less miles on their car than kids who rent a limo for prom night.

YOUR opinion about the exerior design is exactly that, your opinion...which you are entitled to.

My opinion that is supported by the large majority of car designers and editors.
Doesn't really make it more valid than yours, but what have you.
Oh, yes the Countach started out really fantastic. The one you posted, however, was covered garish in scoops, spoilers and airdams slapped on to make it more "80's."

 

[McLaren]

Doesn't matter, the vehicle is still a POS in my opinion.

Then what does? What makes it a POS when it's actually more useful than a Countach?

It seats more, makes just as much power, was cheaper, has off road capabilities surpassing any Hummer, and being the first models used the Countach engine, probably gets just as bad gas mileage.

 

[Joey D]

The idiots blew up a Ferrari 550 belonging to the same Hussein as well.

Double Jeopardy: Iraqis destroyed Uday's Ferrari, too

Source: Autoblog

The International Criminal Court in The Hague has apparently rejected our petition over the destruction of Uday Hussein's Lamborghini as an indictable war crime, so we've come back with more evidence. (Just to be clear, we're not mourning the death of the car's notorious owner, but we maintain our position, in jest, that exotic Italian automobiles should be spared the ravages of war.)

The Rambo Lambo certainly wasn't Uday's sole daily driver. In fact, he was rumored to have a garage with some 2,000 cars in his possession. This little piece of double jeopardy reveals the destruction of a Ferrari 550 Maranello, which apparently suffered a worse fate than it did at the hands of Will Smith and Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys II. The empty husk of a burnt out Ferrari is all that remains after a rioting mob reportedly set fire to it and left it for dead. We'll share the sentiment that we can't really blame the Iraqi citizens who, in their newfound freedom, lashed out against the property of the late tyrant, who evidently purchased this two-hundred-thousand-dollar car while they were starving and he was cashing in on the humanitarian supplies furnished by NGOs that was supposed to be going to them.

And so, Ferrari aficionados, 550 Maranello s/n ZFFZR49B000112891 met its demise. With a bit of elbow grease and a sheet of thick glass, that engine block would make a beautiful coffee table. We've got more pictures after the jump, but we recommend you get a box of tissues, because the carnage is a bit of a tear-jerker.

More photos:http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/22/double-jeopardy-iraqis-destroyed-udays-ferrari-too/


Blazin's Thought: We are training these people to be idiots, if we want to promote our way of life to the Iraqi's the least we can do is not show them idiotic things. I wonder what else the American military is teaching these Iraqis?

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

The idiots blew up a Ferrari 550 belonging to the same Hussein as well.

Double Jeopardy: Iraqis destroyed Uday's Ferrari, too

Source: Autoblog

Blazin's Thought: The commanding officers need to get a hold of their troops, this is reckless and a blatant waste of weaponry and resources. This just adds to the reason why the rest of the world thinks all Americans are cowboys. We aren't but our "disciplined" and "greatest" military in the world makes even me question it.

It says it was done by Iraqis, unless I missed something.

 

[Joey D]

I read in another article that is was the Iraqi's under our military control. But maybe it was wrong?

Reading back I didn't state myself clearly, and for that I'll admit I failed at that post. Any who I fixed it to say what I was trying to say in the first place but sucked at.

Really we are teaching them all the wrong things, but what is to be expected

 

[Dave A]

Either way, you lead by example. Some example thoes US troops set.

 

[Joey D]

I'm pretty disgusted with our military, heck I'm pretty disgusted with this whole country. I'm going to the UK this summer and something tells me I won't want to come home.

 

[McLaren]

It was actually shown that most Iraqis showed their hatred for the Husseins by destroying just about every single car they owned including a rare '57 Mercedes sedan.

 

[Barracuda]

I don't see why they are idiots when he iraqi's themselves destroyed it, lol. you don't have to answer, i already read that you explained what you meant.

The Iraqi people are not little children if you didn't realize that. I highly doubt that if some American troops blow up an LM002 that the iraqi's are going to go on a car exploding rampage. And they've been blowing themselves up for years so we couldn't do any more damage to their actions from what they already do.

You also must remember, alot of these children are taught in school from as low as elementary that killing is ok and are taught throughout middle and high school skills on how to kill people. don't blame the U.S for everything, alot of the blame rests on the iraqi's own stupidity.

 

[JCE]

No, because practicality is not subjective. It either seats X amount of people or it doesnt. It either has Z amount of headroom or not It either has room for Y amount of items or not. The LM002 has far more X, Y and Z value than the Countach could even dream of.

You're missing something. YOUR definition of practicality doesn't reflect MY definition of practicality. What if I don't care about something that seats 5, but you care if it does? I don't care about headroom, but you do. You following me now? I don't care if the LM002 hauls more stuff, goes off road, and is somekind of super SUV--what I do care about is driving a Countach would give me more satisfaction than driving some inflated Lambo SUV. I don't feel "cool" driving 99.5% of all SUVs. There are only 3 SUVs that I have driven that give me any sort of satisfaction. And they are; Porsche Cayenne, Volkswagen Touareg, and the Infiniti FX. Ok, I'm done with this arguement. We've said all we needed to say and now are just beating a dead horse.

Now, the 550 destruction does irritate me, and only because it is only the second or third Ferrari worth a damn in my opinion.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

I'm pretty disgusted with our military, heck I'm pretty disgusted with this whole country. I'm going to the UK this summer and something tells me I won't want to come home.

Don't worry, the UK has plenty of its own problems. You could try Canada, though. They never seem to do too much that pisses their own people or other countries off

 

[Joey D]

Meh I got accepted at a study aboard program at Oxford, might as well try out another country for 8 weeks.

 

[Tornado]

What if I don't care about something that seats 5, but you care if it does? I don't care about headroom, but you do. You following me now? I don't care if the LM002 hauls more stuff, goes off road, and is somekind of super SUV

The problem is that you still fail to grasp that practicality is not subjective because it is a measurable trait. Therefore, it is essentially a fact more than it is an opinion.
In addition, whether you care whether it is more practical or not is irrelevant because it is STILL MORE PRACTICAL THAN THE COUNTACH BY PURE STATISTICAL FACT. Whether you use the expanded practicality is also irrelevant because the LM002 is still more practical.
In addition, you have given no alternate (and undoubtedly incorrect) definition of the term for which to base your opinion that the LM002 is not infinitely more practical.
All you have talked about is how it would be a more satisfactory drive, or how it is worth more or looks better. Not one of your rebuttals to my point on its practicality has anything to do with practicality, leading me to believe that you don't actually know what it is. In addition, you have countered the fact that it is more practical with opinions that are completely irrelavent to the discussion.