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[MistaY]

How did Africa become an anarchy in the first place? (I too am 16 years of age :-/)

This should answer the majority of your questions.

Edit: Damn you Gluck! Damn your helpfull ass!

 

[Mike Rotch]

How did Africa become an anarchy in the first place? (I too am 16 years of age :-/)

I had to count to 10 before answering this. Flaming = no no, and this thread is meant to educate

Africa is not a country and thus cannot be classified as an "anarchy". Africa is composed of 48 Sub-Saharan countries and 6 North-Saharan countries. A handful of countries in the north and south are run by dictatorial leaders who shame the Devil with the amount of corruption they indulge in. It is not uncommon for leaders to enjoy 10 - 30 year stays as president, usually with the help of the Army and an illiterate, gullable majority of voters. It is these countries that abuse human rights and are forever involved in civil wars. The ironic thing, is that of the 'rebel's in a civil war win, the entire cycle repeats.

Zimbabwe, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and now Sudan are amongst the troubled nations. Why dont other African leaders do something about the war? Because they themselves are more concerned on how their popularity will rise or fall as a result of intervention. Add to that lack of funds, untrained and undersupplied armies and all that ever gets done is the odd "Summit" where "Peace talks are to be held".

How did it all begin? I guess colonialism is a good start. Along with the miriad of greedy rulers along the timeline.

 

[Duke]

I was, in fact, aware of the Sudanese situation, and the huge refugee problem in Chad. However, I was not familiar enough to recognize the name of the province.

On an only semi-related note, I'd like to point out that 50,000 people is at least 3 times as many people dead as have been killed in Iraq in the same time period.

 

[ShobThaBob]

After voting, I quickly educated myself on the meaning of this "Darfur", however, going along with the rules of the thread, I decided not to post that I had.

 

[1X83Z]

So what? We can't do anything abour Darfur. Every liberal in the United States put a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker on their Volkswagen the last time we sent our troops somewhere, and Iraq was arguably far worse. Sorry - can't blame the "Western leaders" on this one. It's been made abundantly clear by the European leaders that we're not welcome outside North America. Either force the EU leaders to do something, or force the UN to do something.

 

[911_Carrera]

Yes.

 

[Ev0]

So what? We can't do anything abour Darfur. Every liberal in the United States put a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker on their Volkswagen the last time we sent our troops somewhere, and Iraq was arguably far worse. Sorry - can't blame the "Western leaders" on this one. It's been made abundantly clear by the European leaders that we're not welcome outside North America. Either force the EU leaders to do something, or force the UN to do something.

Americans love their freedom, yet they are not willing to fight for the freedom of others... (I wish Iraq was a good war that was actually for the Iraqi people, but it clearly isn't at this point). A bit oxymoronic...

But I do agree, someone has to step up to the plate and help sort this whole mess out. I don't care whether it's the EU, the UN, the US, or someone else, someone has to stop the genocide. Otherwise, we'll have another Rwanda on our hands, although that already seems to be the case. And if the UN does step up and try to solve the problem, GIVE ADEQUATE FUNDING AND TROOPS TO ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION THIS TIME. And don't give ridiculous rules of engagement too, this made it virtually impossible for Gen. Dallaire to stop the genocide in Rwanda. It also cost the lives of Beligan peacekeepers, since they weren't allowed to use their weapons...

Relating back to the first point, and going on the results of this admittedly skewed sample, more people are unaware of the genocide, then arent.

And stories such as Janet Jackson's nipple get more coverage than a genocide. Really shows what state not only the media is in, but the public too. I may be going a bit off the wall here, but I think a genocide is more important news than some idiot's publicity stunt. I hate society. Too many stupid people.

 

[Duke]

Americans love their freedom, yet they are not willing to fight for the freedom of others... (I wish Iraq was a good war that was actually for the Iraqi people, but it clearly isn't at this point). A bit oxymoronic...

Are you freaking KIDDING ME?! What in bloody hell do you think we're doing over there, working on our goddam SUNTANS?!

Out of curiousity, if we're not FIGHTING for Iraq's freedom, how in hell have we managed to kill all the "innocent" people we've supposedly killed? Are we just bad drivers or something?

The only reason that the Iraq war is not fot the Iraqi people is the large number of radical Muslims coming into the country from elsewhere in the Middle East. If they weren't hysterically set on their anti-America agenda, and weren't willing to kill hundreds or thousands of their fellow Muslims - let alone the Jews - then we'd have Iraq looking pretty damn shipshape by now.

With all due respect, this is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while.

 

[ShobThaBob]

What the hell? That is just friggin stupid. I'd be more than happy to send our troops anywhere in the world under certain circumstances, and freedom has nothing to do about it. It's all about money for me, why should the government spend my tax dollars to go help out some poor nation in Africa that isn't gonna give us **** back? That's just....****ing stupid. And neon_duke....why should we be fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people? Ok, to get WMD...whatever, if they're there (heheheh), then we got em. If they aren't, who cares. We got Saddam, which I think was Bush's whole agenda anyway, and that's cool, cuz he sucks. And yet, Americans are still dying, nothing is getting accomplished, and it seems like nothing will. So answer me this - why should Americans pay with their lives and pocketbooks for the freedom of other countries?

Edit - Mr. eVo - what do you think the media wants to do? If you think it's supposed to tell us all that's happening in the world and such, you are gravely mistaken and should find another way of getting your information. The media wants to make money, it shows what will get people to watch, and what people care about. End of story. It is not the media's fault, but our own as a people. If we really wanted to see some genocide on TV, I can almost garuntee you the media would find a way of putting it up there.

 

[Solid Lifters]

What is America to do in this situation? Go an ivnade another country and help protect yet another struggling abused nation of people? So, where the hell is the UN? Asleep, and bickering endlessly about trade policies of third world countries, and listening to rock stars talk about the AIDS epidemic.

If America invades a country, there has to be some amount of worth to it. Saving the lives of an estimated one or two million people sounds great, but what are they to do afterwards? Continue living in poverty, and wait for the next dictator to start the corruption all over again? No thanks, we already gave in Iraq.

 

[Gen.]

I had to count to 10 before answering this. Flaming = no no, and this thread is meant to educate


Africa is not a country and thus cannot be classified as an "anarchy". Africa is composed of 48 Sub-Saharan countries and 6 North-Saharan countries. A handful of countries in the north and south are run by dictatorial leaders who shame the Devil with the amount of corruption they indulge in. It is not uncommon for leaders to enjoy 10 - 30 year stays as president, usually with the help of the Army and an illiterate, gullable majority of voters. It is these countries that abuse human rights and are forever involved in civil wars. The ironic thing, is that of the 'rebel's in a civil war win, the entire cycle repeats.

How did it all begin? I guess colonialism is a good start. Along with the miriad of greedy rulers along the timeline.

Thank you Mike, I'm sorry if I peeved you off a little bit... I was just under the impression that since all of Africa that I knew of was "anarchy", So I just stated it as one.. Sorry If I peeved anyone off once again...

 

[halfracedrift]

No.

 

[Ev0]

Just saw Colin Powell on the news admitting that there is a genocide occuring in Sudan, and that 'it may still be occuring'. About bloddy time. Now do something about it! If Bush wants the US to fight a good war, he may have one ready (unless he uses it to fulfil his own agenda).

 

[Pupik]

I am a moderator who feels the need to pull a childish stunt on a fairly-respected member, as well as a fellow moderator.

Actually, I was being honest. I put no, because I didn't fully understand the ramifications behind Darfur. I'm not trying to BS anyone. At least I'm thinking about something while mowing my lawn...

 

[heero 12]

Ok then, does anyone know why we should fear North Korea?

 

[Solid Lifters]

Ok then, does anyone know why we should fear North Korea?

Kim Jong IL is insane, and should be called Men Tally IL, and he's trying to restart North Korea's nuclear weapons programm. But, he, and North Korea, is not America's most concerned nation right now. Pakistan is.

 

[Ev0]

Kim Jong IL is insane, and should be called Men Tally IL, and he's trying to restart North Korea's nuclear weapons programm. But, he, and North Korea, is not America's most concerned nation right now. Pakistan is.

I agree. Pakistan doesn't seem likely to use nukes against anyone other than India, but I'd think that would be a longshot due to their close proximity (a nuke in west Inida could send radiation across the border to Pakistan) and the fact that the conflict there hasn't escalated to the point where the two sides are willing to nuke eachother (as far as I can tell). North Korea is dangerous, and I think the US is downplaying that fact. They have a nuclear program (and we know that's a fact, not like the WMDs in Iraq), and Kim Jong Il is insane. From the few documentaries of the country that have been made, the whole country has a sort of 1984 or Brave New World vibe to it. Not a good place to live.

 

[rollazn]

No.

 

[demon of speed]

So what? We can't do anything abour Darfur. Every liberal in the United States put a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker on their Volkswagen the last time we sent our troops somewhere, and Iraq was arguably far worse. Sorry - can't blame the "Western leaders" on this one. It's been made abundantly clear by the European leaders that we're not welcome outside North America. Either force the EU leaders to do something, or force the UN to do something.

European leaders are too scared to do anything, they just stand by and watch other nations go about business. The UN go in and survey but don't follow up their work. Sadly this problem and many others will go on forever.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

No

 

[demon of speed]

Monosyllabic, one word replies. I like that

 

[Jpec07]

State of nature...
Anarchy...
Genocide...

Yeah, I know what's going on behind the word, "Darfur"