V10 or V12?

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but that doesn't mean that Audi didn't use Lambo's V10 as a base for their engine.

It proves that Audi had the 5.2 before Lamborghini did doesn't it?

edit from evo magazine
Still, the S6 has a healthy 429bhp, almost as much as the last RS6, and will cost �55,330 (�1270 more for the Avant) when UK deliveries begin in July. That price is not a lot more than the �50K for the RS4, which has marginally less power - 414bhp from its high-revving V8 - and there's arguably more kudos to driving a fast Audi with the Gallardo engine under its bonnet.

That's not quite what you're getting, though. Audi describes the 5.2-litre V10 as a 'derivative' of the Lamborghini's V10, and in fact the 5.2 shares very few components with the 5-litre Lamborghini unit, the only significant shared parts being the drivetrain for the four camshafts. The reason is that the Audi V10s are built at the same factory as every other Audi engine, which, for economies of scale, has been configured to produce engines with a common 90mm bore spacing. The bore spacing of the Gallardo engine is 88mm. This is how the Audi V10 ends up with a different cylinder block, a new crankshaft, different pistons and new camshafts, while the more restricted engine bay, plus Audi's desire to give the engine its FSI direct injection, result in bespoke induction and exhaust systems and a new sump.

It's a new engine, then, and a marvel of packaging. Lift the S6's bonnet, walk to one side and stand level with the centre cap of a front wheel. From here you can see that the whole of the V10 is ahead of the front axle line. Having 220kg of engine hanging out beyond the front axle isn't the best starting point for a dynamic drive. The problem with adding more cylinders isn't simply the weight, it's that the further forward the weight is, the greater its effect on weight distribution.
 
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Its...confusing. The Gallardo's original V10 was heavily Audi V8-based (regardless of what Audi actually says on the matter). The V10 in the S8, however, is even more Audi V8 based (only in this case being based on the direct injection Audi V8), to the point of being closer in commonality to the newer Audi FSI V8 than the original Gallardo V10. And then, to make matters more confusing, they tossed the engine in the Gallardo and just put the Audi V10 in it for the LP-560 rather than increasing the displacement on the Gallardo.

The engine in the RS6 is even more interesting, because it is the 5.2L de-stroked rather than a variation of the Lamborghini engine, and is actually a tad larger.
 
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The Gallardo V10 shares some Audi bits but was engineered in-house. The V10 in the RS6 was derived from the original Gallardo V10 (but had a pair of turbos bolted on). The V10 in the S8 was based on the FSI V8 Audi already had, but was re-engineered to be quieter and smoother for applications in the high-end sedans. Then, what they did was scrap the original Lambo V10 and modify the existing FSI V10 for raw performance and more power. For the R8 5.2, they took that and detuned it.

I think that sums up the chronology and logic behind Audi's V10s...
 
RS6 V10 isn't Gallardo based other than by both being from the same source. Bigger bore, shorter stroke, bigger cylinder spacing, different type of crankshaft and larger overall displacement.
 

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