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I have been playing GT since 2, and have always used a controller. Took the plunge and bought a wheel. It is a DFGT and it is not bad if I have a 4wd drive car. I can control my GTR with some ease. The problem comes with rear wheel drive cars. I found out with my Super GT NSX that I can't mash the gas like I do the stick/gas on a controller especially in second gear I will be doing donuts, not a problem got to find the touch. The biggest problem I am having is in mid to high power Rear wheel cars is that I am unable to successfully countersteer when I initiate a slide or if my car has a propecienty to understeer, I steer opposite the slide an it does nothing. I need help is it something I can do setting wise or do I need to develop a new skill set. I have my ffb set at 3, amateur settings with power steering off.
 
I did the same back when I got my DFP for gt3/4 little learning curve. I figured out to feather that gas but forgot the brake and was mashing the crap out of it still now I just 2 foot it.

Weening off the sticks was hard but I did get used to it and eventually was faster.
 
Hello ! I bought a GT Force wheel like yourself for the first time to use in GT5 and had a hell of a time learning it for the first week or two. Purely me treating it similar to the joypad, keeping forgetting that its 900 degree wheel and full lock is a lot of hard work compared to a flick of the thumb haha....

in terms of the pedals, as ridiculous as this sounds....., i put a kitchen sponge ( one of those square-ish ones with a scouring pad on one side? ) jammed under each pedal giving them a lot more resistance, helping with accelleration becoming a lot more subtle i think...

try that, like i say it sounds a bit crummy, but i couldnt go ack to my pedals without sponges under them any more...
 
Hang in there Cavalryblood - you'll find your technique soon enough. Hãt©h is right about the feathering. The other thing to keep in mind is that even though the wheel makes you feel like you're driving a real car (sort of) you don't feel a slide in the same way.

I've got an R32 GTR in real life and when it's on RWD only you feel the back end sliding out from your seat as well as the steering wheel. In GT5 with the DFGT you don't have actual lateral movement so you only feel it through steering wheel. Over time you'll pick up the signals through your hands and be able to correct before you completely lose the backend. I've found that after so much driving in GT I can pick up a slide in real life much earlier
 
Practice makes perfect, can't stress this enough.

However, don't put yourself in over your head right away, you'll just be frustrated. You do have to more or less learn to race all over again, so get something slow and easy to control and start from there. You'll be just as fast or faster than before in very little time at all!
 
It just feels that once my car starts the understeer I have control no matter the amount of wheel movement and when I countersteer almost to lock a get a little correction by that time it is too late. The lotus Elise that I'm trying to win the British lightweight with has be the worst to far especially in like the second turn on London I barely touch the gas while taking the turn in third gear it's race over.
 
Terminology correction: Under-steer is when the front end starts sliding and "pushes/plows" off the track.

What you are referring to is over-steer. Over-steer happens when the rear wheels lose grip first and the car gets loose in the rear or spins out when proper counter-steer is absent to correct.

Cavalryblood
It just feels that once my car starts the understeer I have control no matter the amount of wheel movement and when I countersteer almost to lock a get a little correction by that time it is too late..
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Your right, fingers moving faster than my head. Maybe I'm so used to complaining about problems associated with understeer.
 
Cavalryblood
I have been playing GT since 2, and have always used a controller. Took the plunge and bought a wheel. It is a DFGT and it is not bad if I have a 4wd drive car. I can control my GTR with some ease. The problem comes with rear wheel drive cars. I found out with my Super GT NSX that I can't mash the gas like I do the stick/gas on a controller especially in second gear I will be doing donuts, not a problem got to find the touch. The biggest problem I am having is in mid to high power Rear wheel cars is that I am unable to successfully countersteer when I initiate a slide or if my car has a propecienty to understeer, I steer opposite the slide an it does nothing. I need help is it something I can do setting wise or do I need to develop a new skill set. I have my ffb set at 3, amateur settings with power steering off.
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Well IMO you need to set the FFB higher, to 8-10. Helps feel the sliding better.
But the main problem is you just need to learn to countersteer. Either by trial and error or just looking it up and trying to learn it.
 
UPDATE: things are falling into to place changed my settings to simulation and ff to 7 and finally beat that stupid British lightweight with the lotus. London was kicking my ass especially that second turn. Played some other challenges restored my confidence with some front wheel drive cars. Then bought a Gallardo and tuned it a little that wheel is fun when you have some power going to the ground. I'm going to have to mod the brake but the accelerator control is coming around. I'm not have to race with any aids except abs 1. Maybe one day I will be able to be able to compete with you Andreti's online.
 
You're describing the same issue I had with recovering from oversteer when I first used my wheel. Just keep racing. Trust me that in a week you'll suddenly realize that the problems are gone. Getting the car in reverse is the hardest part.

And you'll actually find the wheel to be more consistent and smooth if you put it on simulation with the power steering off.
 
I'm thinking of changing my reverse to the right "paddle" shifter or R1 button because I can never find the triangle when my wheel is cranked in some direction I wasn't paying attention to. That just seems easier to find. Is power steering considered an aid?
 
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I'm thinking of changing my reverse to the right "paddle" shifter or R1 button because I can never find the triangle when my wheel is cranked in some direction I wasn't paying attention to. That just seems easier to find. Is power steering considered an aid?
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Not sure, but I actually think it works against you. You get more feel for the general pull of the car without it on, which improves steering, imo. I've actually gotten much better at finding the triangle button. As was mentioned, practice makes perfect. You might try assigning reverse to the GT button (horn). It would be hard to miss that one. :)
 
Half the battle with oversteer is to know when it's coming. Forewarned is forearmed and it doesn't take much to correct it if you nip it in the bud early. Just keep going with the same car, on the same track, and you'll learn all the spots where it's likely to happen. Once you get there, go proactive with your countersteer and throttle control and you'll find yourself acing it in no time.
 
Cavalryblood
I'm thinking of changing my reverse to the right "paddle" shifter or R1 button because I can never find the triangle when my wheel is cranked in some direction I wasn't paying attention to. That just seems easier to find. Is power steering considered an aid?
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If you can drive using the 'paddle' buttons (on the back of the wheel) to shift gears comfortably enough, then re-assign reverse to pushing the shift stick away from you, I use this method and also re-assigned pulling the shift stick towards you for the handbrake. First used this method when I tried drifting with prologue but it actually quite handy if you ever loose it in a race and need to get sorted quickly.
 
I might be weird but I like the the shifter because I always know where it is and it's sensitive enough to use with both hands on the wheel if need be. I would be comfortable to not ever need reverse wouldn't that be great.
 
I like the idea of using the shifter as reverse/handbrake - but sometimes when i've got the wheel turned on a big angle i use the shifter instead of the paddles to change gear until the wheel is straighter.

But yeah - i'm having trouble counter-counter steering with the DFGT - hard to tell when the car wheels and the steering wheel you're holding are centered again, so i usually end up with the car flicking in whatever direction the wheel is still pointing. :( I love getting cars sideways, but makes it almost impossible to recover big slides most of the time. Might try change to Simulation settings, even though i think i remember it being harder last time.
 
I don't know if this was the problem before but I started tuning my cars different. Going on the basis that stiffening the rear reduces understeer so I have been softening up my rear springs and reducing compression and extension on my rear wheel drive cars this has made a world of difference I spin out still sometimes but only when I hit the grass which is to be expected. This has been successful on two straight car I just acquired, the (p) RX-7 Spirit R tuned to 394 bhp and one of my new favorite cars the BMW M3 GTR at 400 something bhp. The is my theory if anybody is in the same boat try it out.
 
Turn Power steering on, That will make it easier to quickly counter steer.

Eventually you will learn, its all about experience.
 
I'm pretty sure the amateur/pro/sim setting has NO effect on the DFGT. it's for the older driving force And the dfpro, the blue ones.
 
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I'm pretty sure the amateur/pro/sim setting has NO effect on the DFGT. it's for the older driving force And the dfpro, the blue ones.
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I think it has an effect of no feeling when you use those assists, and I think it slows you down. I'd advise no assists on. Really, what I'd advise is to turn everything off and play with FFB on 10 for about 3 or 4 days no matter how bad you may do. Then try the lower settings and assists and see what you think. The simple fact is that it's just something that requires an amount of time, and you're going to have to get used to it. It will take a bit, and be frustrating for a week or so, but it will come and you'll stop noticing things as it begins to feel natural. I was actually really disappointed in the wheel at first, now I love it, and that's saying something coming from me.
 

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