Video showing my faults

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I've got three videos, all of them pretty much showing this one flaw I can't seem to figure out. When I drift, I can enter and maintain it somewhat decently, but my exits are always way to slow or I loose so much speed that the drift ends. I'm thinking it cause my tail end is kicking out to much, but I can't figure out a way to tuck it back in line. Whenever I let off the gas to let it tuck in, it completley tucks in and ends the drift. ANyways here's the videos, hopefully someone will notice something that's going wrong. The last video shows it really well on several of the turns (first turn on track)


s15

FC

Complete lap
 
To me it looks like:

S15 video - I think you backed off throttle too early mid-corner on this one.

FC video - Looked like you were too heavy on throttle.

Full lap S15 - Much of the same, looked like you were backing off too early on the throttle, before you really got that weight shifting. Don't be afraid to rev it way up there and then back off to let it settle.

Looks like you have good technique, you just need to have more confidence in your instinct I think! Keep it up!
 
Originally posted by pergatory
To me it looks like:

S15 video - I think you backed off throttle too early mid-corner on this one.

FC video - Looked like you were too heavy on throttle.

Full lap S15 - Much of the same, looked like you were backing off too early on the throttle, before you really got that weight shifting. Don't be afraid to rev it way up there and then back off to let it settle.

Looks like you have good technique, you just need to have more confidence in your instinct I think! Keep it up!

When you refer to mid corner, are you saying the first apex I hit of throughout the entire drift?
 
I believe the S15 is pushing around 350ish hp, but the major problem for me is I use an automatic w/ short powerbands so I don't really have much control over the gears. Is it normal for the car to loose that much speed during the drift though?

I'm actually using Cudamans FC setup

Settings:
SR - 6.0 / 7.9
RH - 102 / 102
Bound - 5 / 7
Rebound - 6 / 7
Camber - 3.0 / 0.5
Toe - -0.5 / 1.5
Stabs - 3 / 3

Brakes - 4 / 24

LSD: Initial = 50, Accel = 50, Decel = 18


Gears: auto level 24
1 - 3.000
2 - 2.160
3 - 1.700
4 - 1.370
5 - 1.147
6 - 0.965
Final - 3.980
 
Originally posted by See-Fu
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gosh damm. That's in a totally different league from what I'm barley capable of doing now.
well, i think im still in the same league as u but oh well :D
 
Originally posted by See-Fu
I believe the S15 is pushing around 350ish hp, but the major problem for me is I use an automatic w/ short powerbands so I don't really have much control over the gears. Is it normal for the car to loose that much speed during the drift though?

I'm actually using Cudamans FC setup

Settings:
SR - 6.0 / 7.9
RH - 102 / 102
Bound - 5 / 7
Rebound - 6 / 7
Camber - 3.0 / 0.5
Toe - -0.5 / 1.5
Stabs - 3 / 3

Brakes - 4 / 24

LSD: Initial = 50, Accel = 50, Decel = 18


Gears: auto level 24
1 - 3.000
2 - 2.160
3 - 1.700
4 - 1.370
5 - 1.147
6 - 0.965
Final - 3.980

First off, you need to switch to manual trans......... Drifting with automatic, can be frustrating, and not give you the control that is needed for a smooth drift.........

The settings are fine, just get some more confidence, and practice, practice, practice......

If you need some vids to help you see the correct lines, and technique, check these out........


Sim Adv. 2nd Stage

Monkey Factory

Preview

///SLIDE\\\

Enjoy.......


;)
 
Originally posted by See-Fu
When you refer to mid corner, are you saying the first apex I hit of throughout the entire drift?

In relation not to the position of the corner, but in relation to your technique during the drift:

Your initial set-in is good. You get back on the throttle at about the right time to keep the rear-end stable. However, at this point you seem nervous about spinning out, and seem to back off on the throttle prematurely. This is probably more because you know your own boundaries than because of a lack of understanding. I think you just need to become more comfortable with application of the throttle during drifting. It's very unnerving at first but becomes second nature after about 6 months of consistent drifting.

Specifically, let's examine your first video of the S15:

Your technique is a power slide, using power to the rear wheels to induce oversteer. You give it one blip initially to get the oversteer started, then another blip of throttle to make sure it sets in properly. Then a moment of hesitation to allow the weight to redistribute. This is all proper, and well-executed might I add! Then, you get back on the throttle again to prevent it from coming out of the drift and understeering, you give it another 2 blips of the throttle before your next hesitation. This is the key point where your stability was lost, the throttle should've been held longer/harder or given 3 blips or even more. After that, another hesitation while approaching the second apex because all your throttle has shifted weight back to the outside of the corner. Backing off prevents you from spinning out after all that throttle. Then back on the throttle again for the exit. Throttle is heavy during exit, so as soon as you can feel your weight stabilizing near that second apex you have to really go for it.

Remember, it's not how much power you're giving it that counts, it's the RPM. This is how light, low-power cars like the 86 are able to keep up with heavier high-power cars like the S15. If you can maintain the perfect RPM all the way through the corner, you don't need any blipping of the throttle at all or any hesitation to distribute weight. Unfortunately, you and I aren't that good yet, so we have to resort to correcting our mistakes.
 
try a feint drift or a brake drift, you will be able to enter the corner at a higher speed.

and like everyone else said, practice, dont be afraid to knock the tail out a little more. although had you drifted with more angle in the s15 you probably would have ended up on the inside wall, more speed would clear that up.

but thats just me.
 
ya.. like they all said, be more confident, don't be afriad of spin outs, if you do lose it, so be it, just keep on trying, eventually you'll get better after each spin outs, well, that's how it happens to me though :O
 
Originally posted by Bryan C.
settings are for noobs! just add some camber and go!!! lol.
That's very ignorant........ tuning is used to achieve the optimum balance that is possible with the car..... I can drift stock cars, as well as high power cars, and everything in the middle. However, a completely stock car is not ideal for drifting, and can be tuned to be a more balanced drift car.............


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Originally posted by silviadrifter
That's very ignorant........ tuning is used to achieve the optimum balance that is possible with the car..... I can drift stock cars, as well as high power cars, and everything in the middle. However, a completely stock car is not ideal for drifting, and can be tuned to be a more balanced drift car.............


;)

I think he was being sarcastic, and even if he was, it still was a worthless post.
 
I can't seem to figure this out.

When I get the tail end to really step out, how do I tuck it back in more? I've tried playing w/ the throttle, but i just usually end up spinning.
 
Originally posted by See-Fu
I can't seem to figure this out.

When I get the tail end to really step out, how do I tuck it back in more? I've tried playing w/ the throttle, but i just usually end up spinning.

As layzeeboi pointed out, in addition to not being afraid to nail the throttle and peg it while sideways, you also have to have the wisdom to know when to let off the throttle completely. You have to feel where the weight is balanced on the rear wheels. When you apply throttle that causes the tires to slide or if they are already sliding when you apply it, two things happen: First you will induce understeer or oversteer by applying forward power at a loss of traction, meaning you don't have enough traction once sliding to accelerate the car forward, so instead the rear just comes out to the side. Which direction the rear-end will go depends on which side has more traction, NOT on which direction the car is already sliding, which brings me to the second thing that happens. In doing this sliding, you also transfer even more weight to whichever side of the rear-end has more traction (meaning whichever already has more weight on it to begin with). This is because of inertia preventing the car's upper weight from the afforementioned change in direction.

So what I'm getting at is that, if you apply throttle when the weight in the rear is shifted to the outside, your car will turn into the corner more (oversteer). If you apply throttle when it's shifted to the inside, you can actually induce understeer. This is often done with an accel-off technique for linking two corners together. You can actually get on the throttle while still sliding through the first corner, but after you have transferred weight to the opposite side for the second corner. This allows for some very impressive linking of corners. That's the extreme, though. Knowing how to control that weight balance applys to every move you make in drifting. For preventing extreme angles, you need to keep your weight closer to center in the rear so that all your power isn't going to the outside wheel. So if you give it too much throttle and it pops out too far and you can feel it wanting to go further, let it glide for a sec with no throttle. When you feel the rear-end start dragging again because the weight is more evenly distributed, then you can apply throttle again.

The timing of this all depends greatly on the tuning of the car, of course. Stiffer suspension means that you can be more proactive in balancing that weight because there isn't as much travel in the suspension. The springs, dampers, and LSD must be tuned so that the driver is able to precisely control the weight distribution within the limits of the car's abilities. In my opinion, they are the 3 most important settings for tuning a drift car. If you use stock everything else, at least upgrade these parts.

Wow this got long. Hope it makes sense, I'm very tired.
 
Originally posted by silviadrifter
First off, you need to switch to manual trans......... Drifting with automatic, can be frustrating, and not give you the control that is needed for a smooth drift.........

;)
I use automatic. My brain would never be able handle both
throttle and gears :dopey:
 
Originally posted by zoxxy
I use automatic. My brain would never be able handle both
throttle and gears :dopey:

If you don't make the switch, your brain will never get used to it, and your progress will be slowed dramaticaly........ Trust me, if you just take the time to sit down, and get used to changing gears, you will find skill, that you didn't even know you had........


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