Vista Delayed...Anyone else see it coming?

[Swift]

http://wbal.com/news/story.asp?articleid=42605

There you have it. I'm not surprised, I just wish they would've said that last year when they KNEW it.

 

[standard235]

At least they are TRYING to improve the security before it comes out.

 

[Tourettes Guy]

Like they are still TRYING at every other Microsoft product?

 

[Swift]

Like they are still TRYING at every other Microsoft product?

Good one!

 

[skip0110]

Eh, couldn't care less. It'll be at least 2010 before I upgrade to it (with a new computer), if ever.

 

[TheWizard]

Yeah, I can see it coming...

The new and improved Blue Screen of Death, that is

Oh, well, gotta have Windows... But it will be a long time before I'll have a computer that can support it, though. So it's not a big deal for me.

Good ol' reliable Win XP Pro will have to do, for now.

The Wizard.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Yes, I think it was pretty well telegraphed that Vista would not make H2-06. More depressingly, it seems that some of the really cool stuff is being stripped out of it, and it may not even end up being Windows NT 6.

Of course, now all the OEMs know that it's not going to be ready in time for pre-Christmas shipment, it basically means Microsoft have another year to get it ready.

 

[Flerbizky]

I'm about to be proven right :-)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2089446&postcount=2

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

,

All the 'new' features of Vista; 'virtual folders' & so forth are already in the latest stable Linux release, (last years release in fact 2.16.15/16), albeit in computing-lovers inotify form.

 

[Tedehur]

I've been using Windows since 1991 (currently using XP Pro) but I've been replacing all my software by open source apps and the next step will be to get rid of Windows to install Fedora.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

:tup:that, open office org is cleaner, clearer, more compact and, of course, more inexpensive

 

[Flame-returns]

I've been using Windows since 1991 (currently using XP Pro) but I've been replacing all my software by open source apps and the next step will be to get rid of Windows to install Fedora.

Why Fedora?
Ubuntu is the way forward, basic, simple and yet covers absolutly all bases. Easiest to learn operating system and you can order a pack (free shipping) which contains 64 bit install CDs, Live CDs, standard install CDs and Mac CDs.

 

[Electric.......]

I've been using Windows since 1991 (currently using XP Pro) but I've been replacing all my software by open source apps and the next step will be to get rid of Windows to install Fedora.

You sir,just earned 1000 respect points from me.

I have been running Mandriva(Ex Mandrake) Linux on my other computer for quite some time,and I am not complaining.....

Linux: first 2 weeks you don't know what,who and how,but after you get the grip,it goes super stable and without any flaws or crashes.Atleast for me.

Winsux: B.S.O.D,crashes(even when your friend who is System Admin at one well known computer firm sets up your PC),freezing without no reason....

I can see it already:
"Windows Vista: You can try cruising the Vistas,but only in the rush hour!"

or
"Windows Vista: We suck your resources,we screw your PC,but we look cooler than XP!"

or
"Windows Vista: The Revenge of B.S.O.D-crashing soon on a computer near you!"

ok that is sooo not funny because it's true....

 

[Tourettes Guy]

Since I have my desktop and I don't really use my laptop much I'm thinking of trying one of these alt. OS you guys are talking about. Is this a good idea for someone that's never done this before?? Is it worth doing? I can see so many issues from drivers to compadibility with stuff.

 

[dougiemeats]

Laptops are a little more difficult (not by much though) than desktops when it comes to Linux. I suggest trying a live CD first before installing it to your hard drive. If you are going to install it to your hard drive, i recommend Ubuntu. Pretty good distro and it has a great forum community and you can have all of your questions answered. As for "is it worth doing?" i say... why not? Might as well see what else it out there

To stay on topic... is anyone here going to purchase Vista, or are the majority of you guys just going to get Vista because it will be preinstalled when you purchase your next computer?

I'm going to wait awhile and see how Vista is after it is released. If its good (which I think it has a chance to be despite what many people are saying) then I'll probably buy a new computer with it preinstalled. If not, then I'll probably buy another mac when OS X Leopard comes out.

 

[Carl.]

Bleh.

The last upgrade that was really worth it was w2k.

Honestly, can't say I've experienced much (if at all) BSOD or OS instabilities since w2k... hardware/software issues yes, but nothing caused by the OS itself.

 

[skip0110]

Bleh.

The last upgrade that was really worth it was w2k.

Honestly, can't say I've experienced much (if at all) BSOD or OS instabilities since w2k... hardware/software issues yes, but nothing caused by the OS itself.

Well said, at work, we still have not transitioned to XP from W2K on a company-wide basis, and with Vista coming out in a matter of months, development of a company XP build has pretty much been put on hold...so MS can probably not expect any upgrade dollars from us for a few more years yet...

FPS_n00b: I used Fedora, Mandrake, and Gentoo on a laptop, all the hardware worked but ACPI/hibernate had problems (which you can expect on a desktop as well)...the biggest thing is the embedded media support in webpages is pretty poor...I hear Ubuntu is pretty easy to get running...

 

[Carl.]

Well said, at work, we still have not transitioned to XP from W2K on a company-wide basis, and with Vista coming out in a matter of months, development of a company XP build has pretty much been put on hold...so MS can probably not expect any upgrade dollars from us for a few more years yet...

Indeed. At my previous job, I didn't bothered to upgrade any of our machines to XP either, the only machines with it were the ones recently bought.

 

[dougiemeats]

I'm just hoping Vista is as stable and secure as promised. The thing is, even if its not, it will still sell because most people just don't realize that there are alternatives (MANY alternatives). Also, what do you guys think about the whole glass thing? I think it doesnt look bad but I can see myself getting sick of it and going back to the classic theme.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

Since I have my desktop and I don't really use my laptop much I'm thinking of trying one of these alt. OS you guys are talking about. Is this a good idea for someone that's never done this before?? Is it worth doing? I can see so many issues from drivers to compadibility with stuff.

Search for; Linux Distros or Knoppix, Vip. Download a 'stable' Live CD ( also add this to the search ), burn to disc. Get the 'feel' of it w/out ever leaving the RAM domain. Later, if you're up for the few walkthroughs, install it to a free partition, anything over about 2.5Gb should be sufficient for a small installation you can choose at boot. The 'Live' test needs between .5 - 1Gb of RAM. Basica;;y there's every app under the sun that is only a matter of install/uninstall w/ a X-window GUI. Not a whole heck of an amount of games, one or two okay Free ones such as Freeciv etc, but you just want the OS to be free from governmental interference, right?

 

[dougiemeats]

Search for; Linux Distros or Knoppix, Vip. Download a 'stable' Live CD ( also add this to the search ), burn to disc. Get the 'feel' of it w/out ever leaving the RAM domain. Later, if you're up for the few walkthroughs, install it to a free partition, anything over about 2.5Gb should be sufficient for a small installation you can choose at boot. The 'Live' test needs between .5 - 1Gb of RAM. Basica;;y there's every app under the sun that is only a matter of install/uninstall w/ a X-window GUI. Not a whole heck of an amount of games, one or two okay Free ones such as Freeciv etc, but you just want the OS to be free from governmental interference, right?

I'll second the knoppix suggestion:tup: I hardly ever use it but I have a live CD and live DVD tucked away as a possible rescue cd for my files in case of a system failure. Also, if you don't want a bunch of programs except for web browsing and such, SLAX is really good (and fast).

 

[RobcioPL]

I'm just hoping Vista is as stable and secure as promised. The thing is, even if its not, it will still sell because most people just don't realize that there are alternatives (MANY alternatives). Also, what do you guys think about the whole glass thing? I think it doesnt look bad but I can see myself getting sick of it and going back to the classic theme.

You dont need to upgrade to make your windows pretty. Use Windowblinds to make your OS look like Vista, with glass effect and all, and its reduces resources unlike Vista!

 

[dougiemeats]

I was thinking about d/l one of those vista transformation packs (complete with icons, sounds, wallpapers) and using Windowblinds.... but I decided on the classic theme... my RAM thanks me

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

I was thinking about d/l one of those vista transformation packs (complete with icons, sounds, wallpapers) and using Windowblinds.... but I decided on the classic theme... my RAM thanks me

To get Vista to run the Aero theme ule need a good caching graphics card & 'modern' specs (1Ghz, 1GigRam, 15Gig Install).

Checklist Story

 

[Sprite]

Symantec is suing Microsoft to hold up development of Windows Vista, which they say wrongly uses Symantec's Veritas storage technology. For its part, Microsoft claims the suit is unfounded, citing a 1996 agreement between the two companies that gave Microsoft the right to use Veritas technology in Windows NT. However, that was when Veritas was an independent company -- Symantec only acquired Veritas in 2004, hence the dispute. In addition to asking for unspecified damages, Symantec is also demanding that Veritas be removed from other Microsoft products, including Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. According to PC World, this suit has been brewing since 2004, when Symantec first learned of Microsoft's plans for Vista. Symantec may have a point, but it seems like Microsoft is doing a pretty good job at holding up Vista without the court's help.

Wow, who saw this coming?

 

[dougiemeats]

To get Vista to run the Aero theme ule need a good caching graphics card & 'modern' specs (1Ghz, 1GigRam, 15Gig Install).

Checklist Story

I suppose those are reasonable specs for a next-generation OS. Except maybe for the 15-gig required for installation. But with many manufacturers selling their computers with bigger and bigger hard drives, this shouldn't be a problem.

I found a pretty good Vista article. I like this one because it doesn't bash it nor does it glorify it. Link