Voting On 4-cyl Engines Has Hereby Been Cancelled!

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Which is the best 4-cyl engine?


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While I personally won't vote for it, I nominate the GM 4200 V6, in all it's crappy glory. My truck is saddled to one of those anemic windbags, and I hate it. What I don't hate, however, is the 4200 in this monster.

5.7 L * (3/4) = 4.3 L ;)

Edit: the 4200, as far as I know, is the I6 in the TrailBlazer
 
Nissan VG30 series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VG_engine
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Honda C30A (3.0L) and C32B (3.2L) (C32A from non-NSX models) engines from the NSX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_C_engine#C30A

Mercedes-Benz 3.2L V6 from the 320 series of models and the newer 3.5L that is in the 350 series models.

VAG/Audi's 3.2L FSI engine.

Ford 2.5L Duratec engine version from SVT that was put into the SVT Contour.

Yamaha 3.0L and 3.2L V6 engines from the early-mid 90's Taurus SHOs.
 
theres a plethora of good six cylinder engines, many of when have been nominated.

my two dark horses are two indestructable engines, the cummins 5.9 high output diesel and mercedes OM 604 3 liter diesel which debuted back in the early nineties and get serious milage. its not uncommon for cars to reach half a million miles without a rebuild.

then theres the new mercedes bluetec diesel which gets a 3835lbs unladen, new E class to 37MPG

the chrysler slant six has already been mentioned as have the BMW S52, nissan RB26, toyota 2JZ and the buick turbo.
why didnt anybody mention the jaguar 4.2 liter 6 as used in the E type or the australian chrysler hemi straight six?
 
I'd like to nominate the BMW M20 I6,
The Chevrolet/GM 4.3 V6,
And the Nissan VG and VQ Series engines.
 
D'oh! Pretty much all of the nominations I could have thought of have been taken, and it's not like they were few in number: the BMW S54B32; the 911's flat-6, especially the turbocharged ones; the AMC 4.0L; the Toyota 2JZ; the Nissan RB26DETT, VQ-series, and VG-series; the VAG VR6; the Honda C30A/C32A...

Oh well, I have a couple more to add, namely, the Nissan L-series straight-six, which powered the early Datsun Z-cars, and also this baby:

The BMW M88/S38
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Based on the M49 six-cylinder of the infamous BMW 3.0CSL, the M88 was a driving force in establishing the inline-six legend that everyone associates BMW with. It displaced 3.5L, its two chain-driven cams actuated 4 valves per cylinder, and the Kugelfischer-Bosch mechanical fuel injection was paired with individual throttle bodies.

The first M88 engines, designated M88/1, powered BMW's one and only mid-engined supercar, the M1, producing 277hp and 243lb.ft in the roadcar and an amazing 470bhp at 9000rpm in the first Group 4 racecars, by the use of upgraded camshafts, bigger valves, reshaped ports, forged pistons, throttle slides (instead of butterfly valves), and an upgraded exhaust.

Later, BMW would attempt to enter the M1 into Group 5 racing, developing 800-900hp from a twin-turbocharged and destroked (3.2L) version of the engine. This version of the engine was designated the M88/2. However, the M88/2 was very short-lived, because the M1 project was cancelled soon after the engine's development was complete.

However, the M88 lived on in the E28 M5 and E24 M635CSi as the M88/3, producing 286hp in Europe and 256hp in the emissions-choked u.s. This legendary engine is what really cemented the concept of the smooth yet powerful straight-six as the BMW engine of choice.

In the late '80s, BMW tweaked the M88/3 once again and renamed it to match the naming conventions of its other M engines. This engine was called the S38, and powered the E34 M5 of the late '80s/early '90s. The S38 existed in two displacements -- the 3.6L S38B36 made 310hp, while the 3.8L S38B38 produced 338hp (the increase in displacement was in response to the Euro I emissions regulations in 1992).

Therefore, my primary nomination (since the S54B32 was taken already :p ) is the BMW M88/S38.

After a quick Wiki, it would appear that the Air-Cooled and Water-Cooled flat-6 blocks were different. But from 993 back, they have been essentially the same block.

If my understanding of engine design is correct, why would an air-cooled engine have the water jackets and passages that a water-cooled engine requires? ;) Just pickin' on ya. :sly:
 
Boo on how we got two Nissan SRs in the polls... Nismo boys, c'mon! Pump up the SR20! The SR16VET ain't nothing compared to the 20VET! :lol:

In all reality, though... votes for one or the other should be counted towards one pool of votes... they are basically the same engine.

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Has anyone voted the VQ-series yet? If not, I'll put it in. Great power, terrific smoothness, and it's probably one of the most flexible powerplants out there. Hey, it outlived the VG that spawned it... :lol:
 
If my understanding of engine design is correct, why would an air-cooled engine have the water jackets and passages that a water-cooled engine requires? ;) Just pickin' on ya. :sly:

Which is one of the reasons why i posted a retraction of my original statement :sly:
 
Boo on how we got two Nissan SRs in the polls... Nismo boys, c'mon! Pump up the SR20! The SR16VET ain't nothing compared to the 20VET! :lol:

In all reality, though... votes for one or the other should be counted towards one pool of votes... they are basically the same engine.

Shush! I'm quite happy with the M10/S14's current lead. :sly:

Which is one of the reasons why i posted a retraction of my original statement :sly:

I know. I'm just giving you the reason why the original statement probably shouldn't have been made in the first place. :sly: Thus, the "I'm just pickin' on ya" bit. ;)
 
The lead is a given, as it's a great F1 engine. :lol: That engine helped create the BMW we know today. Heck, if I didn't have a shred of Nissan fanboy-ism in me, I would've voted for it, too.

C'mon... I know there are Nissan boys on the board... VOTE!!!
 
6cyl has to be the RB26DETT or the M3 engine

4cyl i voted the 20v toyota engine
 
I would also like to nominate the VAG 3.2 V6 FSI ValveLift coming to showrooms soon, producing 300hp.

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The 3.2 FSI V6 with Audi valvelift system

The 3.2 V6 FSI – which features as a basic engine with an output of 255 bhp in the Audi A8, A6 and A4 – displays all the characteristics of an ultramodern petrol engine: FSI petrol direct injection with demand-controlled fuel supply, four valves per cylinder and highly effective exhaust emission control.

FSI engines develop superior power and dynamism to conventional units with indirect manifold injection – and they do so with a very high stand-ard of fuel economy. With this remarkable achievement, Audi is opening up a new dimension in the efficiency of standard petrol engines, demonstrating once again the brand’s proverbial “Vorsprung durch Technik”.

The FSI petrol direct injection system confirmed its unique potential in what must be the most challenging endurance test in the world: a power unit with FSI direct injection drove the Audi R8 to victory on four occasions in the Le Mans 24 Hours.

The evolutionary version that powers the Roadjet Concept includes two technologies that double the specific advantage of FSI technology. Because with a fixed intake manifold together with integral vacuum reservoir – as opposed to the variable intake manifold of the production version – the 3.2 FSI can be configured systematically as a sports engine.

The six-cylinder engine in addition features a new valve control principle by the name of Audi valvelift system. In the form of two-stage cam lift adjustment, it is able to vary the degree of valve opening according to load and engine speeds.

What this means in practice is that in flowing traffic, the engine produces a decidedly smooth, relaxing response to only moderate use of the accelerator pedal, with impressive pulling power in reserve that results in outstandingly low fuel consumption.

But as soon as the driver ups the tempo, the 3.2 engine reveals its qualities as a highly talented athlete. It responds with bite to even minimal movements of the accelerator and moves fleet-footedly right up to the speed dictated by the limiter, which only cuts in at 7,500 rpm. What is particularly remarkable is that the power output rises constantly virtually all the way up to that point.

This V6 engine delivers its maximum output of 220 kW (300 bhp) at 7,000 rpm; its peak torque of 330 Nm is available at 4,500 rpm. The Roadjet Concept 3.2 FSI accelerates to 100 km/h in 6.4 seconds, and its top speed is electronically governed at 250 km/h.

No less astonishing is the average fuel consumption of this evolutionary concept: the Roadjet Concept covers 100 kilometres on just 10.4 litres of Super Plus – despite the Roadjet Concept's higher weight and larger frontal area, this figure is a few tenths of a litre better than its production counterpart in the A4 3.2 quattro, which develops 45 bhp less!

The combination of FSI and Audi valvelift system unquestionably demonstrates how much potential Audi's petrol engines of the future will still be capable of mobilising, with a view to delivering even more driving fun and efficiency. And that future is not far off: the underlying technology is already so mature that it could start finding its way into production in a few months' time.
 
Phew! you guys really rack up the score, don'tcha?

The Eights thread is gonna be HUGE. I know it. Then, we taper off for Tens, then Twelves, then really taper off for the sixteens and up, the odds, and the Wankels, Rotaries and Radials.
 
I don't think there will be as many different votes for the 8 cylinder thread as this, there's a lot more 6 cylinder engines around than 8. Or at least that I'm aware of.
 
My vote isn't on there (as far as I can tell but I'm not tech enough to know for sure).

The...

2ZZ-GE used in all of these cars...
Toyota Celica SS-II (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Corolla Compressor (Europe, 215 PS)
Lotus Elise (North America/UK)
Lotus Exige (US/UK)

There are others that use the engine as well.
Credit: Wikipedia

So there's my vote. :cheers:
 
My vote isn't on there (as far as I can tell but I'm not tech enough to know for sure).

The...

2ZZ-GE used in all of these cars...
Toyota Celica SS-II (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Corolla Compressor (Europe, 215 PS)
Lotus Elise (North America/UK)
Lotus Exige (US/UK)

There are others that use the engine as well.
Credit: Wikipedia

So there's my vote. :cheers:

Shoulda nominated it sooner. Ah, well, I guess I'll be nice and leave it as a write-in category.
 
I hope the Toyota 4A-GE beats out the Mitsu. But I'd PREFER the SR20 to take the win. Come on people don't let that ratty Mitsu engine win! :sly:

As for the 8's, 10's, 12's, and 16+...those I can't wait. I predict a huge heated almost flame-like thread for the 8's...but the 10's, 12's, and 16+ might be rather one sided and boring. The 10's especially. You have a choice between the new M5/M6 engine (S85) or the Carrera GT engine...anything else is purely useless. [/opinion]:sly: 👍
 
Come on people don't let that ratty Mitsu engine win! :sly:
HA HA, yea it is a bit crusty, but I love it.
The 10's especially. You have a choice between the new M5/M6 engine (S85) or the Carrera GT engine...anything else is purely useless. [/opinion]:sly: 👍
Don't forget the Dodge Viper, which kind of kicked off the use of V10 engines in sports cars. Ford made a V10 version of their Triton engines for the Super Duty trucks. They also put that engine in a Mustang for testing, which was supreme, by the way.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0308_ford_mustang_boss_350_v_10/

Then you also have the VAG versions, with the petrol version in both the Gallardo and in FSI form in the Audi S6 and S8. Then you have their diesel TDI version used in the Touareg and Phaeton. And last, but certainly not least, you can't forget about the previous generation Formula 1 cars. A V10 engine making 900+ hp, and spinning to around 20,000rpm. There are a pretty decent ammount of V10 engines out there to choose from really.

Hilg
 
HA HA, yea it is a bit crusty, but I love it.

Don't forget the Dodge Viper, which kind of kicked off the use of V10 engines in sports cars. Ford made a V10 version of their Triton engines for the Super Duty trucks. They also put that engine in a Mustang for testing, which was supreme, by the way.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0308_ford_mustang_boss_350_v_10/

Then you also have the VAG versions, with the petrol version in both the Gallardo and in FSI form in the Audi S6 and S8. Then you have their diesel TDI version used in the Touareg and Phaeton. And last, but certainly not least, you can't forget about the previous generation Formula 1 cars. A V10 engine making 900+ hp, and spinning to around 20,000rpm. There are a pretty decent ammount of V10 engines out there to choose from really.

Hilg

I classify the Dodge Viper "V10" as a V8+2 which was crudely constructed I might add. The VAG V10 has escaped me for some reason, great engine. But I'd still put the nod to the Carrera GT 5.7 V10. And the Ford Super Duty V10 is a rather boring truck motor, if it was say...stuffed in the Mustang and supercharged it would be *cough* quite fast. Hell I'd love to stuff that 6.8L V10 monster in the Crown Victoria! Yes call me insane...but imagine the sheer amount of Mercedes AMG-like earth moving torque it would have! And I am a BIG fan of that. 👍
 
And the Ford Super Duty V10 is a rather boring truck motor, if it was say...stuffed in the Mustang and supercharged it would be *cough* quite fast.
The truck V10 is actually a Modular motor+2 cylinders. And the Mustang engine was actually a differnt V10, although also based off the Mod motor, it is completely unique. From the Motor Trand article: this engine is in no way related to the 6.8-liter/310-horsepower SOHC Triton V-10 used in F-250 pickups.
Hell I'd love to stuff that 6.8L V10 monster in the Crown Victoria! Yes call me insane...but imagine the sheer amount of Mercedes AMG-like earth moving torque it would have! And I am a BIG fan of that. 👍
Funny you say that ;) http://www.samotorsports.com/vehicles.html

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I voted for the VW-Porsche air-cooled flat 4 because it powered so many vehicles. If I were to give a rough estimate, I'd say at least 30 million or more. And they can be made into 400hp wheelie making tire burning machines. And to think they haven't changed much since 1938.
 
Well I figure I should add another to the mix:

The GM LY4 "High-Feature" V6 as found in models such as the Cadillac CTS, Saturn Aura XR, Pontiac G6 GTP, etc. The engine displaces 3.6L, uses a DOHC setup with VVT, and currently produces between 252-260 BHP, and may soon recieve direct-injection to push power well above the "sweet-spot" of 270 BHP. The engine has been noted to be very quiet, rather smooth, reliable, and have that great GM-tuned V6 exhaust that is unlike most of their other OHV setups from before.

...Granted, I doubt it has a chance, as I would agree that BMW's straight-six in any form is undoubtedly the best six-pot money can buy, but I figured the LY7 was worth a mention no-less...
 
AMC's 4.0 ran from 1964 to 2006! That sure is a testament to the soundness of the design!

AMEN! I managed to kill one in my Jeep, but water in the intake will do that. :ouch: However it wasn't always a 4.0, there was a 199 (3.3L) and two versions of a 232 (3.8L) which evolved to a 258 (4.2L) and then along came fuel injection creating the 242 (4.0L) and eventually the 242 H.O.

So AMC/Jeep I6 would be my vote.
 
From the Motor Trand article: this engine is in no way related to the 6.8-liter/310-horsepower SOHC Triton V-10 used in F-250 pickups.
Well DUH to me. I remember reading that article back in the day when it was in the mag, and just searched for it to add for reference. I didn't actually read it again for details. Oops to that. I thought it was based off that truck engine, just rebuilt inside for performance use. But, I was wrong, totally. Good catch Skip.

Hilg
 
I quickly flew over the thread and couldn't spot it, so here I nominate the

TOYOTA JZA 80

I think that this is the engine of the latest Supra, capable of massive tuning without breaking, this is one of the best engines imo....
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I quickly flew over the thread and couldn't spot it, so here I nominate the

TOYOTA JZA 80

I think that this is the engine of the latest Supra, capable of massive tuning without breaking, this is one of the best engines imo....


JZA80 is the code of the car itself, the engine is 2JZ-GTE (or 2JZ-GE for non turbo which you pictured) which has been mentioned a few times including in the first post.
 
JZA80 is the code of the car itself, the engine is 2JZ-GTE (or 2JZ-GE for non turbo which you pictured) which has been mentioned a few times including in the first post.

Well you can't nominate it often enough, that's what I say...:odd: .. I mean, nah what ever ;)
I'll vote for the RB26 anyway...

EDIT : And btw I think it would be a good idea if the next poll ads a famous example of a car, which uses the particular engine...like :

Subaru EJ20 B-4 ( for example : Impreza WRX STi )


I mean let's say you want to vote for the Honda S2000 2.0 engine, those of us who are not that familiar with the engine codes have to look it up on google...
especially since the engines were nominated in another thread...
 
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