VW may sell Bugatti & Lamborghini

[Poverty]

Not quite, the Muira generated a lot of lift at high speed at the front, so as our speed got faster the weight over the front wheels reduced and the steering dissapeared.

And the engine would set itself on fire.....Until lamborghini made a fix for it. Go check wikipedia.

Look guys, read everything in this link including the sites it links too, and tell me that its not more than just a coincidence... http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

I wouldnt have belived it at first either, but after a little reseacrh im sceptical. The engine layout or basic design or whatever people call it is nearly 40 years old or something like that aswell.

 

[Dave A]

1. Only one of the cars were pre production.[/qoute]Source? And does it cover the reason for the crash?

2. In comparative ratio there are probably more crashed tuscans if we take the UK as a field example.

I highly doubt that, I honestly do.

3. I havent changed my argument, I was adding on to it, sayin they had a connection.

Your original argument was that they "had a thing for spontaneous combustion", they don't, the engines have thinner walls than most so they can crack easier when hit hard.

5. 20 crashed S4's is different to 20 crashed lambo's as there are a hell of alot more S4's out there. I bet you couldnt find 20 crashed b6-b7 S4's though.

I bet I could find 20 pics of of almost anything crashed when a few thousand plus models are made.

Nothing you have posted regaring Lamborghini reliability has been properly backed up yet, I wonder why?

On the original topic of the thread Audi have categorically denied all rumours that Lamborghini may be up for sale.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/03/15/lamborghini-not-for-sale/

 

[Poverty]

Im talking real crashes here not fender benders.

And going by the amount of pictures on the internet of lamborghinis being on fire for no reason you guys should understand why I have my doubts. And obviously VAG would do their upmost attempts to sweep and accusations under the carpet. The audi's with similiar to the gallardo engined lambo's havent been reported to have a thing for setting themselves alight though.

And read this for my source http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

Its all there just click all the links.

 

[Dave A]

Im talking real crashes here not fender benders.

so am I.

And going by the amount of pictures on the internet of lamborghinis being on fire for no reason you guys should understand why I have my doubts.

Which is a highly credible source to base such an opinion on if I may say so. Could it not be that people prefer to see pictures of exitic and expensive cars wrecked more than thoes of minis and Mondeos. find one professional report that backs up any of your claims and I will be impressed.

And obviously VAG would do their upmost attempts to sweep and accusations under the carpet.

Which if true would ultimately lead to VAG being on deep **** hole both reputation wise and legal wise.

The audi's with similiar to the gallardo engined lambo's havent been reported to have a thing for setting themselves alight though.

Ok brains, what's the reason for any Lamborghinis that have set on fire after a crash to have set on fire?

And read this for my source http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

Thats credible . Thats the web site equivelent of unjustified hate mail.http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

Its all there just click all the links.

Yeah, sure. I'll ask you again, nothing you have posted regaring Lamborghini reliability has been properly backed up yet, I wonder why?

 

[Scaff]

Not quite, the Muira generated a lot of lift at high speed at the front, so as our speed got faster the weight over the front wheels reduced and the steering dissapeared.

True, but its also true for almost all mid-engined cars produced during that era.

And the engine would set itself on fire.....Until lamborghini made a fix for it. Go check wikipedia.

Look guys, read everything in this link including the sites it links too, and tell me that its not more than just a coincidence... http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

I wouldnt have belived it at first either, but after a little reseacrh im sceptical. The engine layout or basic design or whatever people call it is nearly 40 years old or something like that aswell.

Sorry but having just spent time clicking on all the links and reading the site I have to say it still looks like one guy with an issue with Lamborghini.

Take most of his 'additions' is it not amazing how every driver involved is described as having great driving ability, even the ones who died in the crashes hes quite happy to speak for. Not only that but he dismisses the professional accident investigator out of hand, and he does this not with independent reports that dispute the finding, but simply because he says its wrong!!!!

Not once that I was able to find did he refer to any independent professional report, simply anecdotal evidence. He also uses wreckedexotics.com as a dependable and accurate source, which it certainly is not. My favourite two however are the wonderful translation into English of the German article "the suspension has dissolved! "; and the two concerning crashes in the middle east. Now my dad worked in the middle east for 10 years, including time in both Kuwait and Saudi, and accidents of this nature are frighteningly common and the Gulf Road in Kuwait is a huge accident blackspot. Most of these are a direct result of driver error and threats to car manufacturers are common place.

The site while moderately entertaining does nothing to back-up your claim at all, it ignores the difference between pre-production and production cars almost totally and assumes that test drivers 'never' make mistakes at all. In addition it tries to blame the use of Audi engine management systems for the fires, in which case why are Audi's not doing the same on a massive scale.

Regards

Scaff

 

[McLaren]

Hey, Scaff, want to know what else ruins the story?

This.

The guy claims a 40th Anniversary model caught fire, less than 9 months old on it's registration. The date is 8-19-2006.

That's funny since all 40th Anniversary models had their registration done back in 2003.

The site is full of mis-information, and blames everything on the car than the drivers.

This is also funy.

Lamborghini still seems to display the accustomed diligence with the production of just recent models.
This website reports on already 2 crashes of the Murcielago Facelift LP640, which is not even being delivered by now.
The cause of both accidents is still unclear. Of course Lambo-advocates can say that both times a driving mistake must have been the reason for the accidents, however usually test-drives are not done by unexperienced drivers but by people who know what they are doing, last but not least they are getting paid to put the cars to the acid test. Therefore a driving mistake should be VERY unlikely.
Irrespective of the cause of the accident, a car shouldn't go up in flames so fast and so hard that the driver has to be flown to hospital with severe burns.

This driver did not die, and reported that he had lost control of the vehicle himself while driving a bit too fast.

 

[1X83Z]

3 lambo test drivers crashed murcielagos on public roads.

SO WHAT

DO YOU KNOW WHAT "ANECDOTAL" MEANS???

POSTING TEN THOUSAND PHOTOS OF LAMBORGHINIS ON FIRE WOULDN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT ANCDOTAL EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE.

Why do you come on here to argue when you can't even properly formulate an argument?? I don't get it - every time you argue, you stick to some incorrect, weak argument, and we all tell you you're wrong. Don't you think the pattern might repeat as it does for a reason??

 

[Dave A]

The site is full of mis-information, and blames everything on the car than the drivers.

This is also funy.

I also love the way he admits that the investigation concluded that it couldn't be anything else but driver error, yet the investigation is just wrong because he had clocked up over 100,000km of driving before he had the Lambo and he had some experience in motorsports. Well you know what, I've had over 100,000km and 5 years of motorsports experience (tis truth, it has to be because I have just said it without anyone knowing who I really am, but it is actually true, I've raced Go-Karts in spot races at the local track), so does that mean that when I had my last crash it was a fault with the car, or did I just lose concentration and not see the car infront brake until it was too late. That did happen but it was very low speed, scuffed bumper stuff no dents and all it was, was a slight lapse in concentration. Translate that slight lapse in concentration into you travelling at high speed in a powerful supercar and the results are rather more dramatic.

 

[niky]

100,000 kms? I've done probably over 120,000 kms. I have maybe two years' experience in motorsports, but eight years' experience in hard driving on all surfaces and all types of vehicles, specifically vehicles with no grip, no brakes and no suspensions... so I know a thing or two about car control.

Still, I had my first big accident just over a year ago. Clearly car error. No, I wasn't drunk at the time. No, I wasn't going too fast. No, road conditions were perfect... I mean, yes it was dusty, bumpy and very dark, but clearly perfect conditions. Yes, all the car's fault.

High-powered mid-engined exotics lose the back end all the time. Whether they catch fire or not after the crash, they're often so banged up it doesn't matter whether they do or not.

Oh, EVO did manage to blow the header tank on a Murcielago at their COTY2006 last October. No smoke or flames, but lots of steam. The car was fixed within a day or two and was back at the test afterwards.