Warming up the tyres

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Just something that's been bugging me since forever. How can you get heat into the tyres as fast as possible with the least amount of degradation? Is there any special tricks to it?

Important for me in free runs for quali especially when it's a long circuit. I always start my flying lap with either cold tyres or a set that's already degraded. I want the optimal condition just like the ones you get if you turn off tyre wear.

Bonus question : Does fuel load actually effect the degradation rate? Empty tank vs full tank. Did a search before and nothing conclusive came out
 
terminator363
Does tire heat even exist in GT5?
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Yes. Blue tires are cold. Light blue/white is warm. Red is overheating (usually when you lose grip and slide).
 
You need get your car to rub up against the edge of the friction circle - like an ill fitting windscreen wiper in the rain.
 
I have come to realize that doing the classic "Left-Right-Left-Right" Swerves that you see professionals do, is the best way, linear stress on tires is the most efficient, but really, considering there is no actual caution flags in GT5, it is kind of inadequate.
 
I find that the car's behaviour, especially when dealing with 700hp monster machines, is severely affected by the heat of the tyres. I cannot count the amount of times I've surprised myself by the lack of grip that cold tyres hold compared to warmed up tyres.

In short, I guess constant but gradual stress equal on every tyre would work.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
I have come to realize that doing the classic "Left-Right-Left-Right" Swerves that you see professionals do, is the best way, linear stress on tires is the most efficient
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I run an FIA series almost every Sunday where we do a formation lap to warm the tires before each race and I've found the same. Hard acceleration and braking works but wears the tires much more.
 
1241Penguin
I can barely feel any difference, though.
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Once you run a few laps, usually 3-4 laps depending on the course, you'll start to notice a difference, at least in my experiences.
 
Mac K
Once you run a few laps, usually 3-4 laps depending on the course, you'll start to notice a difference, at least in my experiences.
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Yup usually 3 laps then I can be aggressive with my car. :trouble:
 
1241Penguin
I can barely feel any difference, though.
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Makes a big difference

JDMKING13
Yup usually 3 laps then I can be aggressive with my car. :trouble:
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My best times using softs are usually done in the 2nd or 3rd laps if i'm just cruising during outlap

MOTORTRENDmitch
I have come to realize that doing the classic "Left-Right-Left-Right" Swerves that you see professionals do, is the best way, linear stress on tires is the most efficient, but really, considering there is no actual caution flags in GT5, it is kind of inadequate.
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What's linear stress? Braking and accelerating?
 
I don't think heating up the tyres is the difficult part. Simply braking hard into the first few corners and letting the traction slip a bit on exit should do the job without wearing too much rubber.

Now, Keeping them warm and not degrading them quickly, like they'd be without tyre wear, that's the part that takes skill to keep braking, cornering and acceleration smooth.

Practice makes close to perfect. ;)
 
Lidyana
Bonus question : Does fuel load actually effect the degradation rate? Empty tank vs full tank. Did a search before and nothing conclusive came out
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Yes it does/did but not by much, the series I used to race in was before the spec 2 update so not sure if it still applies but I'd imagine it would be more pronounced?
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
I have come to realize that doing the classic "Left-Right-Left-Right" Swerves that you see professionals do, is the best way, linear stress on tires is the most efficient, but really, considering there is no actual caution flags in GT5, it is kind of inadequate.
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It depends on the type of car. F1 drivers are increasingly using the brakes to radiate heat to the rims and tyres, there again the brakes run as hot as 800 Celcius. The zig-zagging is to confirm grip level more than add heat. With a road car weaving will add heat better than brakes as they, the brakes, run much cooler.
 
Lidyana
Just something that's been bugging me since forever. How can you get heat into the tyres as fast as possible with the least amount of degradation? Is there any special tricks to it?

Important for me in free runs for quali especially when it's a long circuit. I always start my flying lap with either cold tyres or a set that's already degraded. I want the optimal condition just like the ones you get if you turn off tyre wear.

Bonus question : Does fuel load actually effect the degradation rate? Empty tank vs full tank. Did a search before and nothing conclusive came out
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Jenson, is that you?

Sorry, couldn't help it! More seriously, the skill in GT5 seems to be in ensuring that the tyres warm evenly.
 
byegad
It depends on the type of car. F1 drivers are increasingly using the brakes to radiate heat to the rims and tyres, there again the brakes run as hot as 800 Celcius. The zig-zagging is to confirm grip level more than add heat. With a road car weaving will add heat better than brakes as they, the brakes, run much cooler.
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The F1 cars need to heat the brakes too, which is why they would want to stress them. You're not really going to be confirming grip from zig zagging anyway, there's no reason to push the car so hard that you risk spinning.
 
You might want to be careful if you are racing with racing hard compound, or at least this is what I've experienced:
Race:
2 laps of 24h nurb. vehicle: I'm quite sure it was a gt-r.

Problem:
After one lap with soft tyres I had to entry the pit to change them. (they were almost completely worn out but that's acceptable).

I then opt for the hard compound :ouch:
Immediately out of the pit with cold tyres I brake for the first tight corner Result: the car couldn't stop...I imagined that was my mistake...
I keep racing struggling with the tyres and by time I entry the old part of the nurb, so not really a long distance, the tyres were still cold and even worse they were half way down the bar...:grumpy:
 
Lidyana
Makes a big difference


My best times using softs are usually done in the 2nd or 3rd laps if i'm just cruising during outlap



What's linear stress? Braking and accelerating?
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The stress you cause on your tires from suddenly changing direction I believe.
 
Take it easy on your warm up lap until you reach the last part of the lap. A few zigzags, small burnouts and heavy braking will warm the tires without causing too much degradation. Then for the last few turns push the car, this will warm the tyres up further, give you a feel for the car and give you a better run into the start finish straight.
 

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