Weight reduction + a couple o mod questions

[stormbringer]

I always get weight reduction on my favourite cars. Its the only mod i do. Makes my cars feel alot more lively. And it dont think its ever ruined the balance of any car.

Is there any reason why you wouldnt want to do weight redux? Other than wanting a "stock" experience? Have you ever ruined a car by doing so?

2- has anyone figured out if the flywheel, carbon shaft drivetrain upgrades produce a noticable difference in the cars performance?

3- rigidity improvement...i think there is a difference in the cars handling when you add this modd. I think my fto with the mod corners better then the one without. But im not satisfied. What are your experiences?

 

[seanneedscar]

Is there any reason why you wouldnt want to do weight redux? Other than wanting a "stock" experience? Have you ever ruined a car by doing so?

That, and its irreversible. There is a ballast system so that you can restore the balance, should it be changed. You cant ruin a car by lightening it as long as the ballast system is in place

2- has anyone figured out if the flywheel, carbon shaft drivetrain upgrades produce a noticable difference in the cars performance?

These will make your rev's climb and fall faster. Is it noticeable? maybe.

3- rigidity improvement...i think there is a difference in the cars handling when you add this modd. I think my fto with the struts corners better then the one without. But im not satisfied. What are your experiences?

There is a lot of hogwash on this forum about this mod. First off, its irreversible. that makes some people shy away from it. You'll also hear some people claiming 'it ruined their handling' but IMO this is strictly placebo effect. Its an upgrade, it makes your car better. If it made your car worse, why would PD put it in the tuning / upgrade section.

If theres a certain PP youre aiming for, then it makes sense to pick and choose mods. But if youre maxing out a car, go for the full monty

 

[stormbringer]

That, and its irreversible. There is a ballast system so that you can restore the balance, should it be changed. You cant ruin a car by lightening it as long as the ballast system is in place

Do you think youve ever ruined the balance of your car with weight reduction?

 

[fastfox400]

That, and its irreversible. There is a ballast system so that you can restore the balance, should it be changed. You cant ruin a car by lightening it as long as the ballast system is in place



These will make your rev's climb and fall faster. Is it noticeable? maybe.



There is a lot of hogwash on this forum about this mod. First off, its irreversible. that makes some people shy away from it. You'll also hear some people claiming 'it ruined their handling' but IMO this is strictly placebo effect. Its an upgrade, it makes your car better. If it made your car worse, why would PD put it in the tuning / upgrade section.

If theres a certain PP youre aiming for, then it makes sense to pick and choose mods. But if youre maxing out a car, go for the full monty

I'm not a grip racer, but doing the chassis reinforcement causes more understeer. Its very common for us drifter not to do it because it adds unwanted understeer.

 

[Morgoth_666]

That, and its irreversible. There is a ballast system so that you can restore the balance, should it be changed. You cant ruin a car by lightening it as long as the ballast system is in place

If the game(& the picture) is accurate the ballast will be placed at the very bottom of the car and all in one place(you can adjust front to back only). This will mean a drastically lower and centered center of gravity than putting glass windows, the A/C, radio and such back in. That means better handling than truly returning to stock should, even if you position them so the F/R balance number is the same. If it works right.

The flywheel, clutch, and driveshaft are most noticeable when shifting between the lowest gears where the revs change most. I sometimes notice some slight difficulty climbing hills in low-hp cars, but other than that I'm not smart or observant enough to know which affects exactly what or when something other than all the "best" upgrades would be a better choice.

 

[NjLowrider]

I treat my real cars and fake cars the same way.

If it will make it better/lighter/faster and i can afford it. Its goin on.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

There is a lot of hogwash on this forum about this mod. First off, its irreversible. that makes some people shy away from it. You'll also hear some people claiming 'it ruined their handling' but IMO this is strictly placebo effect. Its an upgrade, it makes your car better. If it made your car worse, why would PD put it in the tuning / upgrade section.

It is a change to your car. All of the things you can purchase are changes. You can't say they are all better. There are some cars that are faster on most tracks with the mid RPM than the high RPM turbo.

The rigidity improvement will cause less body flexing during weight transfer. This can actually cause more weight transfer. This is what causes some cars to have more understeer. If you stiffen the chassis, you should probably stiffen the suspension.

The same goes for putting on sports or racing tires on a car built for comfort tires. The new tires have more grip than the suspension was set up for. You may need to stiffen the suspension a bit.

Mind you, some cars get sharper with no changes to the suspension.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I treat my real cars and fake cars the same way.

If it will make it better/lighter/faster and i can afford it. Its goin on.

Even if it makes your car not road-legal? It must be fun driving with no air conditioning, vent fan, radiator fan, radio, passenger seats, cushioned driver seat, window controls, carpeting or trim on your way to and from work too.

 

[stormbringer]

Ok, still doesnt answer my question really

Why wouldnt you do weight reduction stage 3 to your cars? Is there any negative effect of doing so? (like stage 3 engine tuning)

Have the drivetrain upgrades ever made any sort of a noticable difference to your engines torque delivery? Any point even installing these?

Rigidity improvement: i have somewhat felt an improvement in cornering after installing this. And i can understand why drifters wouldnt want this upgrade.

 

[seanneedscar]

I'm not a grip racer, but doing the chassis reinforcement causes more understeer. Its very common for us drifter not to do it because it adds unwanted understeer.

No, it makes the car handle better. And if youre trying to drift, i can see how you wouldnt want less oversteer

 

[Techy]

Ok, still doesnt answer my question really

Why wouldnt you do weight reduction stage 3 to your cars? Is there any negative effect of doing so? (like stage 3 engine tuning)

Have the drivetrain upgrades ever made any sort of a noticable difference to your engines torque delivery? Any point even installing these?

Rigidity improvement: i have somewhat felt an improvement in cornering after installing this. And i can understand why drifters wouldnt want this upgrade.

I install the weight reduction because it improves cornering ability, but I think it risks lowering the weight transfer onto the tires (more grip), since some mass has been removed.


I haven't really observed it, but it seems the drive train parts just improve the RPM range and makes it a bit shorter time to reach the redline. This could mean that the torque is augmented a bit higher than the original, since the tires will rotate a bit quicker but not in a large extent. But for the reason it doesn't affect the torque map, it probably just depends on how you shift.


I haven't use Rigidity Restoration in much of my cars, but I think it becomes more useful if the car starts acting up in terms of cornering. As other posters said in this thread, w/o the restoration you'll see a great negation in weight transfer & suspension softening up or wobbliness.

 

[TeamOrecaViper]

On pp based races it can be more interesting to keep its standard weight.
Higher HP -> Usefull on high speed tracks.

Example just sucked out of my thumb: 1200Kg-300hp=500pp -> 1350Kg-350hp=500pp

But even more interesting is doing the weight reductions and adding weight in tuning menu to reach car's 50/50 front/back weight and make it super handling with slighly higher hp then full weight reduction.

But i dont realy know the more weigt/hp setup actualy is faster i use it alot but dont test it properly with same car with weigt reduction ...

 

[leeson65]

To answer question 2: The driveshaft will cut 0-60 times by a small, but measurable amount. About a 20th of a second last time I checked.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

No, it makes the car handle better. And if youre trying to drift, i can see how you wouldnt want less oversteer

Again, no, the rigidity improvement does not "make the car handle better". It reduces body flex. Weight being transferred during braking or cornering can be turned into torsion energy bending the car. This will reduce that causing more weight to be transferred.

That may or may not make the car handle better, it depends on the car and the suspension. In cases where it has a negative effect, that effect manifests as understeer (which makes sense).

As to the original question of weight reduction, I'm usually racing with PP limits. I will do maybe stage 1, but just do HP increases beyond that.