Weineck Cobra 780 - When death just doesn't arrive fast enough...

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live4speed
How so, the bodywork is almost the exact same as the Cobra 427's, or do you think that looks like a 250 quid amature job too. The only diference is the big intake on the bonnet, which looks naff imo.
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It also looks exactly the same as, if not more so, a 'Pilgrim Sumo' - Ford Granada based Cobra kit - which is what i think he was trying to say.

You're more likely to spot a 'Weineck 780' and thinks its a crappy Sumo than a genuine 427 Cobra. Especially with the comedy air intake.
 
Unless you didn't know your Cobra's you'd never think it was a genuine 427, who's stick that intake on a real 427. My point is that other than that, theres not really any difference int he bodywork to a real 427, that intake is the only big giveaway, so does that mean he thinks the 427 looks like a 250 quid amature job as well. Or do 250 quid amature job's look like the 427. If the answer is yes in his opinion, fair enough. I dissagree, but fair enough.
 
That Weineck 'Cobra', taking the scoop out of the equation, looks no closer to a real Cobra then a cheap Cobra kitcar does. That's the jist of what he was saying i believe.

I can't see why Weineck bothered trying to make it look like something it isn't, especially since there are so many more Cobra reps around compared to the genuine article. They've obviously gone to a lot of trouble with its CF body work - why didn't they create a body in their own style, and gain so much more credibility in the process?
 
If that's his view fair enough, but like I said, it's proportions in every other respect are the same as thoes of the 427, so that must mean he thinks the cheap kit cars look the same as the 427. I agree with the second part, Weigert already have 1200bhp Cobra replica, they're a very specialist company but a know one in certain area's and would definitely get more credibility creating their own design, it's in a way move them up in many people's view since as it stands they'e a Cobra replica builder and ultimately nothing more.
 
...Even then, its hard to even see if most Cobra replicas are true Cobras or not. Here in Grand Rapids, I only know of two "real" Shelby Cobras, both of which were built recently by Shelby America in Las Vegas, Nevada. But when you have the same car sitting next to a kit car that has been put together well (think Superperformance) it is really hard to tell the difference. Sure, there is nothing like the real thing. But if you ask the guys who have "real" Cobras, they probably spent three times as much buying theirs than the guy next to them with the knock-off.
 
Fantastic stats for this car and it must be a heavenly drive, literally, as in if you make a mistake you're heading up there pretty quick.:)

Not a big fan of the bonnet blower, it ruins the Cobra's classic lines. I'd still have it in blue with silver and black alloy wheels, oh and different interior for sure. I'd travel to Italy and find a Ferrari Enzo owner so I can ruin his day.:)
 
Cobra_UK
I'd travel to Italy and find a Ferrari Enzo owner so I can ruin his day.:)
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What are you going to suffocate him by wheelspinning in every gear or something?

Also am I a bad person for wanting a cobra with a straight 6 engine?
 
skip0110
Yes.

Wouldn't that just be an AC Ace then?
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The Ac ace looks body looks slightly different to the cobra, well I think it does. There are a few Cobra kitcars here that have been fitted with Jaguar straight 6's, probably just because it's easier to get hold of them than a crate engine I suppose.

Taurine will probably hunt me down and kill me for wanting a straight 6 in a cobra though.
 
Race Idiot
The Ac ace looks body looks slightly different to the cobra, well I think it does. There are a few Cobra kitcars here that have been fitted with Jaguar straight 6's, probably just because it's easier to get hold of them than a crate engine I suppose.

Taurine will probably hunt me down and kill me for wanting a straight 6 in a cobra though.
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Ahh, I've never seen an Ace in person and just assumed they were the same.

Jag I6es sound nice (especially carburetted) and I'd say it would be nice enough for a Cobra...
 
I think the first Shelby Cobra's looked like the AC ACE, it was only the arrival of the Cobra 427 when the body style changed, and the AC/Shelby Cobra 427 was made and since then that's how pretty much all Cobra's have looked.
 
Funny you mention stuffing Jaguar engines in Cobras, as I have seen many Jaguars here in the 'States with Chevy 350 and 454 powerplants as opposed to the straight-six.

Personally, I think it would be dumb to stuff a straight-six in a Cobra, as it defeats the whole purpose of the car. However, the use of a smaller, light weight, and less-powerful V8 would be a better choise. It easily explans the popularity of the 289 and 302-powered Cobras, although the 427 (aluminum as opposed to iron 289s and 302s) is still the weapon of choise.
 
I don't the poitn is really acceleration in this car. I think it's burning the tires to a nice crisp at 100 mph. 👍
Take out the air scoop, and you'll have an awesome sleeper. that could keep up with a Veyron
 
Race Idiot
What are you going to suffocate him by wheelspinning in every gear or something?
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I'm just working with the article quoted on first post in which the reviewer writes that the acceleration is so increddible and it's without doubt faster than any current supercar.

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...Even up to 4,000 rpm, the Weineck Cobra 780 cui Limited Edition accelerates faster than any other supercar when fully driven. The accelerator pedal always has to be operated very gently and with respect...
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What the heck is "when fully driven"? And right after says "The accelerator pedal always has to be operated very gently and with respect...". I think fully driven is all out rag, on the car, limit breaking driving, so it's either one or the other. If you are gonna do any spirited driving with a car you gotta be familiar with it, or else you're gonna make a a** out of yourself. I had a friend that had his 99(or 2000) Mustang V6 in a shop within 3 days after buying it because of the clutch trying to race, and another 2 times for the same thing. I guess he fully driven his car :lol:, but he calmed down after someone took the chip(it was sold to him that way at the used car dealer) and put in a stock one(no more driving at 135+ MPH for him).
 
Race Idiot
Taurine will probably hunt me down and kill me for wanting a straight 6 in a cobra though.
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Why would I do such a thing? :sly:

5 microns on the crankshaft bearing, not bad.

315/35s on the back, slap some MTs on there she'll be right :D
 
Race Idiot
Also am I a bad person for wanting a cobra with a straight 6 engine?
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Definitely not, I think a inline 6 in a Cobra replica would be great.
 
This car is truly useless for street use and at the track it would be one hell of a gamble as well, but when you absolutely must have the most powerful automobile at any cost, (including your life) this car is it. I truly wonder who has tried to drive this demon car in everyday traffic. (Though there won't be any traffic most likely because if you had any brains, you wouldn't drive anywhere NEAR this car when it's in motion).
 
RICHARDO
This car is truly useless for street use and at the track it would be one hell of a gamble as well, but when you absolutely must have the most powerful automobile at any cost, (including your life) this car is it. I truly wonder who has tried to drive this demon car in everyday traffic. (Though there won't be any traffic most likely because if you had any brains, you wouldn't drive anywhere NEAR this car when it's in motion).
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Yeah but aint it cool.:sly:

Seriously, REAL supercars are not of any use on the street they're mainly track beasts, If one attempted to drive this car hard without the experience or the proper training it could end in tears.

EDIT: I just read the article again and the car is apparently quite docile at low revs, apart from the wheel spinning of course...
 
In gear acceleration must be immense...

It doesn't really matter if you can't use all the power on a day-to-day basis, it would just be nice to know it's there, should aome punk in a Veyron turn up.
 
If that's his view fair enough, but like I said, it's proportions in every other respect are the same as thoes of the 427, so that must mean he thinks the cheap kit cars look the same as the 427.
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Actually, if you did know anything about Cobras in general, you'd know the the front wheels arent meant to be wider then the front fender overhang and that the front tyres are smaller than the rear in width and diameter.

And then of course there is the issue of the giant airscoop which makes it look like it belongs in the "questionable modifications thread".

That Weineck 'Cobra', taking the scoop out of the equation, looks no closer to a real Cobra then a cheap Cobra kitcar does. That's the jist of what he was saying i believe.
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Eggs-act-ly
 
Well I covered the giant airscoop, but I never noticed the wheels so 1-0 to you.
 
One would have to say a 780ci cobra is a bit superfluous anyhoo. 427ci is more then enough. Then just use the doe saved on this version to get a GTO or Charger or something. ;)
 
Am I the only one who admires this car for its engine, and couldn't care less what body it came in or how inaccurate it is? :indiff:

85hp/L and 98lb.ft/L from a massive, 12.9L V8? That's just unheard of.

The C6 Corvette Z06 can only manage 72hp/L and 67lb.ft/L of torque...

I consider this thing to be a slap in the face to diehard fans of big, brawny american V8s... :lol:
 
It depends ow reliable it is, but that much power per liter isn't that impressive imo, a Honda Civic can get more as do most Subaru's and many, many other cars that are reliable, if they can create that peak power and keep it relaible then I would be impressed, since I don't know I'm reservign judgment. I do agree with Mike Rotch, it's too much, impressive or not a car doesn't need that unless it's challenging to break a record or two, like the Veyron, SSC Aero ultimate ect. This car has no such purpose other than to use numbers to wow people.
 
live4speed
It depends ow reliable it is, but that much power per liter isn't that impressive imo, a Honda Civic can get more as do most Subaru's and many, many other cars that are reliable, if they can create that peak power and keep it relaible then I would be impressed, since I don't know I'm reservign judgment. I do agree with Mike Rotch, it's too much, impressive or not a car doesn't need that unless it's challenging to break a record or two, like the Veyron, SSC Aero ultimate ect. This car has no such purpose other than to use numbers to wow people.
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The Civic has half as many cylinders and about an eighth of the displacement to work with, and Subarus don't count because they're turbocharged.

I would agree, though, that this car could and should have aimed for something more.
 
Much of the high power per litre (N/A engines) comes from high revs, you need to remember its no where near as easy to get a pushrod 12.9L V8 revving to 9000rpm like a 2.0L Vtec engine. Lots of these older V8's are lucky to get 1hp per cubic inch, 85hp/L (N/A tuned remember) is quite impressive for that engine in my opinion.
 
With such a high level of tuning, i wonder how long you can use it without the level of power droping off and it needing a serious re-tune?

It's like all those 1000hp Supras and Skylines you read about, i bet they can manage less than 200 miles of hard driving before the engine needs some serious attention to keep the power levels up.
 
TheCracker
With such a high level of tuning, i wonder how long you can use it without the level of power droping off and it needing a serious re-tune?

It's like all those 1000hp Supras and Skylines you read about, i bet they can manage less than 200 miles of hard driving before the engine needs some serious attention to keep the power levels up.
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What you're saying may be true for a 1000Hp tuned Skyline or Supra build by an enthusiast but not for a serious tuning comapny. Someone like Nismo or Mugen or Spoon would not do such a thing as it would hurt their reputation. These tuners also seem quite serious about what they're doing. I would imagine that on a single race type tune this car could develop a lot more power but the power it's tuned to for the consumer public is a safe and constant setting. It stands to reason anyway.

Nobody would pay +$50K for a car and and expect to come back a month later to have it re-tuned. There are things like road-legal (noise for example), divability and just simple engine idling. These can not be achieved on a race type tune which could be lost in a matter or days or weeks. I have a friend who managed +350Whp out of a B20 (2l) VTEC NA engine in a civic and a 13.1s 1/4 mile but that car can barely idle, needs to be re-tuned every few weeks and can not legaly be driven on the road. His car cost less than £3K to build so he's not expecting much...
 

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