wet track tyre error

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I noticed a slight error in the programming of gt3 not long ago
here we go

Super-soft tyres are made for dry tarmac tracks and therefore should not have any grip (0% tread!) at all on a wet track.....

Super-hard tyres (with tread unlike super-softs) are for racing on wet tracks where you will need all the grip you can get......

I tried using super-softs and super-hards on SSR5 wet and this is not the case...super-softs still give lots of grip even on this very wet course and super-hards leave you wedged against a wall or barrier......... :odd: dont you think!?
 
soft tyres are good in wet thats why all radial tyres have softer compound than dry slicks...and hard is for long lasting....I really dont understand your point:confused:
 
it doesnt make much sense that hard tyres should perform better in the wet...but if that is the way it is then i'll not argue...

i have always used dirt tyres where available for wet tarmac...seems to give good results.
 
i think i didnt put it accross well enough what i meant was that tyres with no tread pattern (Super-softs) should'nt perform as well as tyres with a tread pattern (anything the other side of mediums i guess) in the wet cos without a tread pattern the car would just constantly aquaplane and then you'd get nowhere! :lol:

and turbosmoke i agree dirt tyres are good for wet conditions as they have a deep tread pattern and so aquaplaning doesnt occur that often
 
Originally posted by bondy_1625
i think i didnt put it accross well enough what i meant was that tyres with no tread pattern (Super-softs) should'nt perform as well as tyres with a tread pattern (anything the other side of mediums i guess) in the wet cos without a tread pattern the car would just constantly aquaplane and then you'd get nowhere! :lol:
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oh yes, this is true...without a channel to disperse the water you will indeed be aquaplaning...i get what you mean now.
 
The compound used (which determines the "hardness" of the tire) has nothing to do with whether or not the tire is molded with tread or not.

It is perfectly possible to buy (real) DOT-approved racing tires with tread in a variety of compounds from hard to soft. It is also perfectly possible to buy (real) slicks in a variety of compounds as well.

So I see your point but I think you are generalizing and making assumptions that you can't really make.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
The compound used (which determines the "hardness" of the tire) has nothing to do with whether or not the tire is molded with tread or not.

It is perfectly possible to buy (real) DOT-approved racing tires with tread in a variety of compounds from hard to soft. It is also perfectly possible to buy (real) slicks in a variety of compounds as well.

So I see your point but I think you are generalizing and making assumptions that you can't really make.
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agreed but the slicks and softs in gt3 are quite specific and the softs do not have tread unlike the slicks even when put to use on a wet road so i still do not see how they can grip better than the tyres with tread if you get my meaning!
 
"Slicks" by definition means "no tread", so again, it is not dependent upon the compound of the tires.
 
argh i keep saying it wrong!

the t8's have no tread but the t2's do so the t2's should perform better on the wet right?!

please tell me ive got it right this time!
 
Region dependant, the T2, T3 and T4 tyres are called "Superslick", "Slick" and "Medium Slick", so should perform abysmally in the wet.
 
The wet surface and tire interaction model in GT3 is bogus. I get the feeling the only thing the PD guys did was lower the tire cfs for the wet tracks and called it a day.

So you are correct for saying GT3 does not model wet tracks performance correctly but this descrepency is not related to any mislabeling of the tire compound selection. The simple fact is PD did a half-assed implementation of rain; they should let you buy rain tires.

Real life rain tires are not only grooved, but they are made from different compounds and construction to operate at much lower wet track temps. This is why a team running an aggressive rain tire has to change once the track dries up otherwise the rain tire will overheat and delaminate.


EDIT: BTW, I collect in 1/18th too. Nice GTR in your avatar.. I need that one.


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Originally posted by bondy_1625
argh i keep saying it wrong!

the t8's have no tread but the t2's do so the t2's should perform better on the wet right?!

please tell me ive got it right this time!
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I don't understand why you think the T2s are treaded when the T8s are not. ALL the race tires are called slicks - NO TREAD. Only Sim, Normal, and Sport tires are treaded since they are based on street tires. On what are you basing your assumptions?

Now, while I agree with ///M about how PD modelled wet tire performance, I just mentally pretended that the tires fitted for wet tracks were grooved.
 
I'm actually 3rdgenracerX, waiting for that account to be fixed.


To save everyone some trouble, anyone who has a F1 should go to the SSR5 wet and look at your T5 medium slick tires. ;) go into the tunnel where its bright and look at the tires, they are now treaded and no longer a fully slick tire. Since T5's are the only tire's you can put on F1's then it slightly prooves that the loss of grip is due to the loss of the grip surface on all of the T2-T8 tires and the wet conditions.

Not the best pic in the world but you might be able to make out the thread on the tire, if you turn up the brightness on your screen.
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Heres a quickey that I just took in the f094/s or P001 for the pal guys. If any us/ntscers have a F090/s then they could get a real view of both front and rear tires from onboard the car.

reartiref1.jpg
 
Originally posted by bondy_1625
I noticed a slight error in the programming of gt3 not long ago
here we go

Super-soft tyres are made for dry tarmac tracks and therefore should not have any grip (0% tread!) at all on a wet track.....

Super-hard tyres (with tread unlike super-softs) are for racing on wet tracks where you will need all the grip you can get......

I tried using super-softs and super-hards on SSR5 wet and this is not the case...super-softs still give lots of grip even on this very wet course and super-hards leave you wedged against a wall or barrier......... :odd: dont you think!?
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Super hard tyres dont have any tread either. Thats why they're called super-slicks. They're just a harder composite rubber.
ALL of the racing tires are slicks, they have no tread. The Dirt Sim and sports tires (and normal) should perform better in the wet, they dont because all PD did was change the grip value instead of calculating the grip and stuff. In other words the best tires for the wet in terms of grip are the Super-Softs, even though they shouldnt be.
 
hmm

if you take a car onto test course with t2's on the starting grid turn your wheels either way you should see some sort of tread on the tyres

if you do this with t8's......no tread

ill try to get some pics but its would be easier if you just tried it for yourself
 
I havnt really payed attention, but noone of the racing tires SHOULD have tread, because they're called slicks and all slciks are slick.
 
okay, i found that the GT3 tyre model isnt as bad as people make out IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

i raced my street Lancer Evolution V GSR with dirt tyres on SSR5 II Wet against a field of Toyota GT-One Race Car, Nissan R390 Race Car and Ford GT40 Race Car. Obviously we dont get to see the setup that the AI is employing but i am guessing the Nissan and Toyota were using slicks.

i beat all of these cars easily...which makes sense if they choose the wrong tyre.

I tried the same on dry tarmac and it was A LOT harder to beat these cars with the lancer...
 

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