What do you do to learn Nuerburgring?

i was avoiding the ring when i first got gt4 because i thought i'd never be able to get a decent lap. i picked the yellowbird for some german championship (i think) and the last race was a 2 lap nurburgring against a merc slr. i'm not sure of the other cars as the merc was the one to beat.
i had a very hard time winning, i was faster but my rear tyres were stuffed after one lap and i just couldn't stay infront of him for the 2nd. anyway, i was too stuborn to concede defeat, so i kept at it, reseting the ps2 everytime i lost and after about a week, and many many different suspention setups i won and also learnt the basics of the track.
if i had to do it again i would probably grab a 330i (my favourite unmodded car in the game) and do 5 laps a day for a while. if you can beat my record of 7,59.827 (S3's and an oil change) that i finally got yesterday you are doing pretty good 👍
 
try breaking it down to 4 sections. slow, fast, technical, and the straight. the parts in between will fall together. but yeah it takes a long time, I just used the ring for all my practicing cuz its got it all, and when you don't know it you don't just rely on memory but rather your skill, track memorization of the ring is a welcome byproduct. also use a neutral handling car that way you can concentrate more on the track.
 
The Ring was the first track I raced on and the FPV in arcade mode was the first car I drove on the ring with so I hit every wall on the track but now I can do 5:25.000 with the LMP cars just by doing endless laps.
 
Greetings Fellow Ring Runners!
I had the good fortune to be stationed in Berlin after my Southeast Asian vacation some 30 odd years ago, and had the good fortune to be able to circumnavigate the Ring in BMW 3.0CSi, and a Triumph Bonneville. This track more than any other I've had the good fortune to drive on, requires so very much out of a driver that I felt that even if I raced every day for a year, I would still be learning.
Between surface changes, elevation changes, shadows, and even precipitation, This track is a butt puckering monster that will bite hard if you are even the slightest bit inattentive. To this day you can buy track time, and at any given time see everything from GT3's, to fully prepared Touring cars. Quite thrilling.
So you may never truly master the Ring, but you will always enjoy it.
Nostagically Yours
Fangio
 
I for one dream of driving the legendary ring one day, and am consumed with envy for those on this forum who already have! I am definitely planning a trip out there with my soon to be wife one year and we are gonna pay a lil visit to the ring if i have to drag her there by here feet :)

The minute i fire up GT4, out of habit the first thing i do is check my garage, select a car and do a few laps around the ring, everytime. It's the best way to learn how to drive on it period. Select a different type of car each time as well, and you will become very familiar with it over time. Don't try to blast through it either, every lap you do shouldn't be a time attack, the minute that you just enjoy driving on it, the track layout will begin sinking into memory.
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but a heated 2P battle rivalry with a friend will do wonders. We made a rule to only use road cars on S3 tires which would limit our options in terms of power, and ultimately, our speed. We figured it was better to be able to really learn the track and have full control of the car instead of bombing around the place on R5s hanging on for dear life.

Trust me, you'll have plenty of motivation to practice driving(a lot), and even experiment with tuning and different cars to get a crucial advantage. We would watch the replay every time and see what we could learn, not only from our own run, but each others' laps as well.

At one point, we pretty much had the track memorized, but it's been several months since we've raced(friend moved out of state), so I'm sure we're quite rusty now.
 
Fangio
Greetings Fellow Ring Runners!
I had the good fortune to be stationed in Berlin after my Southeast Asian vacation some 30 odd years ago, and had the good fortune to be able to circumnavigate the Ring in BMW 3.0CSi, and a Triumph Bonneville. This track more than any other I've had the good fortune to drive on, requires so very much out of a driver that I felt that even if I raced every day for a year, I would still be learning.
Between surface changes, elevation changes, shadows, and even precipitation, This track is a butt puckering monster that will bite hard if you are even the slightest bit inattentive. To this day you can buy track time, and at any given time see everything from GT3's, to fully prepared Touring cars. Quite thrilling.
So you may never truly master the Ring, but you will always enjoy it.
Nostagically Yours
Fangio
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Jealous! :jealous: :envy:
 
You learn it like any other track. By driving on it a lot. Proffesional drivers say it takes over 100 laps on the Ring to have an idea about the basic layout. Personally I first raced the Ring (which is my all time favourite track) almost ten years back in GPL on the PC. Since then I have downloaded and driven the track as a mod for almost every racing game on the PC, have watched literally 100s of real life onboard Ring videos with all types of cars (and bikes), and I can tell you 100 laps are really few to really learn the Ring. I now have probably more than 300-400 laps on the Ring and only now I can safely say I can visualize the entire course in my mind. There's no magic trick to learn it, and I can guarantee it's going to be slow, lengthy and frustrating at times but ultimately very rewarding.
 
the best thing you can possible do, is drive it as much as you can.....thats how i did it, and i can now do sub 5:20's in the FGT, and sub 5:15's in the R8
 
I learned that the pace car on the IA test 15 is WAY too slow i timed 8:51.678 ... I had to keep slowing down so i didnt overtake the damn thing! recon i coulda had an extra 3 seconds off the time...
 
Parnelli Bone
For the first time in my imaginary racing career, i am truely stumped! I mean, i've conquered alot of tracks...recently Sarthe is beginning to feel like an old friend as i finally know every kink and corner.
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I'm not sure how many people here will remember Shari Lewis.

She had a song...

This is the song that never ends.
Yes, it goes and on, my friends.
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because
It is the song that never ends...

So I'd occasionally sing a variation (usually just in my head)...

This is the track that never ends.
Yes, it goes and on, my friends.
Some Germans started building it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue building it forever, just because
This is the track that never ends...

I'm not sure that helped me learn the track, however.

Actually, Wikipedia tells me it wasn't an original creation of Shari Lewis . . .

When I did silver for the lap test, I had the AI drive a near replica of the test car for the 24 hour race, and they let me squander a bit of the lead at about 18 hours or so, when they were a lap and a bit ahead. So that helped me learn, as well as getting the prize car. You need to choose just the right field for it to be winnable by the AI, however.

Learning some of the names as reference points helps, and then you can divide your mental model into sections. I mean, why should learning one twelve-mile circuit be any harder than six two-mile circuits?

And yes, the 1000 miles was a convenient tutorial. I didn't go for a challenge, but turned the event into a time-trial with a stock E-type Jaguar against an appropriately weak field. Mercedes 300SL is similar. I sort of remember the layout, now. What I couldn't do (may never play the game again, actually), was find enough places to drastically improve my lap times.
 
an easy way to learn the "ring" is to print out a map of the track and pay attention to where you are in the game and mark things like slow turns,fast turns,brakeing points for the car your racing with and mark your times at the places where it tells you your time(whatever they call those things)
 
THE RING... WHUT CAN WE SAY..
one track that will blow you mind when u can master it
drive it slow and map it out cuz theres soo many twist and bends and mind blowing speed straights up hill down hill twist and turn and the lil map thing dont help for the chicanes that it cant list
my advice is start with a slow under horsepowerd car and just drive drive drive it till ya learn it its awsome track just gets you cuz of its size
i have it on my nascar 2003 on pc mod and the 60's car mod its a pain to drive on that major i find its way simpler to drive it on my ps2
use a under horse powerd car and practice practice practice you will eventually get it right
also a side note
i use my lancer evo8 mr maxed out to just drive it found this car really drives it nice and braking is awsome
phan
 
Parnelli Bone
You may never play GT4 again? Why not? Love your version of the song, too! :)
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Just sort of overload. It's one of too many things which take time, feel important, but really aren't. Hey I quit doing the daily sudoku this week, too...

One event nobody has mentioned is the Lupo Cup, which has a one lap race of the 'Ring. I found I needed to load up my car to get to the front and stay there, however. But I tended to use a normal Lupo with a wing, rather than a genuine cup car. But it seemed like a good 'Ring tutorial.
 
How to learn the ring?

One lap at a time.

I started off using low powered cars.
Well thats not entirely true. I actualy started with a high powered car, but spent most of the time in the rough. Then I went to the low powered cars.

I took something basic ( I think it was either a Beat or Cappuccino) and did a lap. The car was slow enough that it allowed me time to think about what corner was comming up. When I got to the point where I felt like I was hitting the corners like I wanted, I grabbed a faster car (Honda S2000 Type-V) and continued the pattern (Running laps and upgrading cars) untill I could grab any car and take it around the track.

Now remember, diffrent cars require diffrent driving techniques to get them around the ring in one piece. So I would suggest sticking with one drivetrain untill you learn the track. Then you can experiment with other cars and drivetrains.
 
I learned the nurbergring in 24 hours, when i drove the 24hour race. I had a break every couple of hours. I loved every minute of it, must be the best track on the game in my opinion!
 
SportWagon
Parnelli Bone
You may never play GT4 again? Why not?
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Just sort of overload. It's one of too many things which take time, feel important, but really aren't. Hey I quit doing the daily sudoku this week, too...
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But, not entirely coincidentally, I am not playing GT4 at this very minute. Yes, at this very minute I am not driving a Motul Pitwork Z in the Nuerburgring 24 Hours. Of course, my B-spec driver is doing so instead. This thread reminded me I wanted to do something to destructively test my silver PS2, and a 24 hour race seems a suitable test.

Oh yes. Watching the B-spec run in first-person mode can help you learn the track too.
 
the easiest way to learn is to go into arcade mode once you unlocked it and kepp doing laps starting from low powered cars to high preformance cars. since i got the game when it first came out, the nordschlief was my favourite track and i probably logged over 1000 laps on it. arcade mode is the best to learn it, just put on your ipod or music and go.
 
I TiVo'd a documentary called "Born on Nurburgring"....actually more of a 30 minute advertisement for BMW, since they have a test facility and test all of their cars there. Anyway, one of the test drivers said, you never really "know" the track until you have run at least 100 laps there. You can pay to ride along with them, or pay like, 16 Euro and drive your own car around. What a rush that would be!

I've done the 1000 miles! and other races there, but no enduros yet.....my lap count is probably around 50 at this point....oh, well. Practice.....
 
i found i learnt in the last special lisence lol - had to go round without comming off in under 10 in that car!!

that can teach anyone the track :P
 
Many people arrange to do time trials in cars equivalent to the license test cars, in preparation for the license tests. That has the advantage that you can keep going and learn later parts of the track even if you make a small mistake, and get an idea of how well you are doing. Then you can actually find places to take it easy (to prevent accidents) versus less risky places where you can compensate by pushing harder.
 
Zaine2
i found i learnt in the last special lisence lol - had to go round without comming off in under 10 in that car!!

that can teach anyone the track :P
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ditto, i spent a good 3-4 hours just making laps w/ the race car for the ring on the last license. That was my first gold license - the final of the super license... how odd ( i just blanked out on the rest of the tests and didn't care )
 
I haven't learned it in gt4, because i haven't tried, but in Forza, oh back then, we would do drags along the whole straight before the pits, so we would sometimes just cruise around the rest of the track, and tried to drift on the carousels, or see what speed we could reach, I have a picture of the 'ring I can sorta relate to every part, but I dont know how to race it.
I am just waiting for my new G25 to arrive, so I said to myself "I am gonna have to relearn driving. I'll let dad adjust the centering spring, because I do want it as real as possible... Oh, and I'll gonna practice on the ring!"
I would suggest using a supercar, but holding yourself back, so you can really see the track, and focus on it.
 
Parnelli Bone
What did you do to learn Nurburgring? :confused:
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If you ask my opinion…I did nothing at all. I think the major problem for people to learn the Nurb is thinking that it is so long that will never going to learn it. One good thing to do it is, running in the Nurb, 2/3 laps every day, until you know it all. 👍
 
This is the way I'm learning the 'Ring and it's working out really well.

1) Do al the liscense test that happen at the 'ring (I can't rember the numbers and what Liscense they fall under) until you get a really high silver or gold.Note this excludes the guide run and full lap test.

Those test ,and the Karuasell (sp?) are the only turns you need to rember.

2)Do the guide run and split the track into 2 or four sections,depending on how much you want to take at one time . Get the flow of the track and when you come up on the turns you did on the liscense test do what you did in the test. I recommend splitting the 'Ring into 4 sections and when you got the flow of the four sections,turn it into two sections (Uphill and downhill).

3)Get a nice handling car and expirement with how much power you can put and each part of the track.


With a lot of practice ,you can nail this track!
 
Hot laps, hot laps, hot laps. I know the 'Ring now well enough that I can recognize sections when I'm playing other games.
I'm still not any good at it, mind you; but I know the course.
 

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