What do you think of chinese auto industry ?

[Tornado]

I agree with gray fox's post here. The Japanese for example didn't
Copy others As far as I know At the time when they were new competeters against American and European
Cars although people said that they were rubbish just like what we are doing at the chinise



So Japanese cars made their success with doing there own car industry which was cheap at the time but they didn't copy anybody's design

In addition to what h4s mentioned about design originality, the Japanese didn't copy what other companies were doing back then because half the time when the Japanese would design a new car an American company (usually Chrysler or Ford) would throw piles of money at them to to bankroll their development so they could make them a captive import so they didn't have to actually design cars in those segments themselves.

 

[Scaff]

In addition to what h4s mentioned about design originality, the Japanese didn't copy what other companies were doing back then because half the time when the Japanese would design a new car an American company (usually Chrysler or Ford) would throw piles of money at them to to bankroll their development so they could make them a captive import so they didn't have to actually design cars in those segments themselves.

Most of the Japanese manufacturers did start out making licenced chops of European and American models for domestic sale, before moving to design and manufacture products themselves. The only real key differences are that they were licenced and stayed in three domestic market, Chinese law gets around the first and the second is still mainly true of Chinese automotive product.

 

[Celicaas]

So Chinise cars nowadays aren't that bad but why nobody buys them I know some Saudis who have told me that chinise cars over there are very common and they are competing with Kia and Hyundai

That's in Saudi Arabia but here in Kuwait I never saw an emgrand Drivingon the road except for old cherries So is it that the people doesn't know about it and thinks that chinise car are rubbish which is an Old stereotype ? Or nobody knows about it ?

 

[Scaff]

So Chinise cars nowadays aren't that bad but why nobody buys them I know some Saudis who have told me that chinise cars over there are very common and they are competing with Kia and Hyundai

That's in Saudi Arabia but here in Kuwait I never saw an emgrand Drivingon the road except for old cherries So is it that the people doesn't know about it and thinks that chinise car are rubbish which is an Old stereotype ? Or nobody knows about it ?

All three to be honest, which is exactly the position the Japanese we in during the 1970's and the Koreans were in during the 2000's. In both those cases the public's awareness, attitude and acceptance has changed totally.

Right now I don't see anything that would indicate it will be any different for the Chinese, give it ten to fifteen years and they are likely to have become a major (and respected) player in the automotive industry.

I was having this very conversation with people I work with yesterday (I work in the motor industry and we have a strong and growing presence in China), the consensus was not if the Chinese do this, but rather which European/American/Japanese/Korean marques will fail by the wayside when they do.

 

[avens]

Several companies copy several other companies.

What's your point?

Chinese cars are literally a copy paste.

 

[Grayfox]

Asbestos in gaskets, really?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-cars-found-to-contain-asbestos-20120814-246r1.html



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_Automobile#Controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely_Automobile#Controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuanghuan#Criticism

Most common word "copy"

Here is another(not a car) but it proves the point of why their cars suck.
http://translate.google.com.au/tran...a=X&ei=2Qq2UOaIBumjiAehv4DgAw&ved=0CEgQ7gEwBQ

The company that makes the devices plans on blocking the sale of the real one as they had their device on the market first.

 

[Famine]

the consensus was not if the Chinese do this, but rather which European/American/Japanese/Korean marques will fail by the wayside when they do.

*crosses fingers hoping for Vauxhall*

 

[Scaff]

Chinese cars are literally a copy paste.

Except they are not, even the ones that are deliberately designed to look as much like existing models from non-Chinese manufactures are far from copy/paste under the skin and then we have the (currently small) growing number of Chinese cars that are not even remotely copy/paste.

Asbestos in gaskets, really?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-cars-found-to-contain-asbestos-20120814-246r1.html

Have you ever taken a look at the number and nature of safety recalls from all manufacturers? Parts that are legal in certain markets do get into the wrong markets, these are issues that to a degree have (and will continue to) affected every car manufacturer on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_Automobile#Controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely_Automobile#Controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuanghuan#Criticism

Most common word "copy"

Here is another(not a car) but it proves the point of why their cars suck.
http://translate.google.com.au/tran...a=X&ei=2Qq2UOaIBumjiAehv4DgAw&ved=0CEgQ7gEwBQ

The company that makes the devices plans on blocking the sale of the real one as they had their device on the market first.

The second example you have given has no bearing at all on the quality of Chinese manufactured goods, yet you seem to want to take selective items and then use them to condemn the production quality of totally unrelated items and/or all Chinese manufactured goods.

Not only is it a strawman argument, but I would hazard a guess that the bulk of the electronic goods you own are Chinese manufactured.

Before condeming the ability of the Chinese to manufacture cars you should actually be aware of the level and scale of production that goes on in the country, one example of which is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_China

One of those factories is half owned by SAIC, which means an major up-skilling of automotive staff has already been going on for years in China.

That the Chinese copy existing non-Chinese products in terms of appearance (and it is mainly just that - appearance) is not exactly a new thing and is not an indication of a 'problem' with the way in which the Chinese motor industry is developing, its an issue with Chinese law and how it deals with IP (which is very, very different to the rest of the world).

That product destined for the domestic market are heavy clones of non-Chinese products is not exactly surprising to anyone with an understanding of the market and its laws. It gives you a product with a look that will sell and is entirely legal (in China). Now as the Chinese auto manufacturers start to expand beyond the domestic market that will also start to change as they know they will struggle to sell cloned (appearance) product outside of the home market.

However to dismiss China as a growing player in the automotive world is a very naive thing to do, I can assure you that no one within the motor industry is doing that, quite the opposite.

*crosses fingers hoping for Vauxhall*

You would not see a single tear from me.

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

I can see Chinese cars selling over here, but I think it would take a good 15-20 yrs. China has too bad of a reputation over here with products. Such as cheaply made electronics, and dog food from there killing thousands of family pets. Stuff like that doesn't exactly set a good impression.

 

[niky]

Let's set aside, for the moment, the fact that a whole lot of the components in your electronics were made in China... And that every single iPhone and iPad is made in China. And that most of your toys, produced by American companies, were made in China...

No, let's NOT set that aside. Chinese factories have been making the bulk of our consumer goods for decades now. The only difference between Chinese made goods built for foreign brands and Chinese made goods built for local brands is that local brands don't have to follow the same environmental regulations as foreign brands.

But they do if they want to sell overseas. The gasket issue is an excellent example. Asbestos gaskets aren't actually banned everywhere yet... And those companies actually make cars both with and without it, depending on the market.

And, like I said, the Chinese NCAP has been brought fully up to speed (literally) with EuroNCAP safety testing this year.

Twenty years may be too long. I wager penetration within ten, and full equality within fifteen to twenty.

As with the US and UK, however, many of the brands around now will not survive the transition, both inside and outside China.

 

[YSSMAN]

As with the US and UK, however, many of the brands around now will not survive the transition, both inside and outside China.

I'd only bet on those who have benefited greatly from a partnership with an established brand, or have bought their way in while merging with others.

I can really only see Geeley, BAIC, SAIC, BYD, Chery and JAC surviving, much less breaking out of the Chinese market to the West.