What do you think of Honda?

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They're bringing out the EVO for '03.

I think they really phucked up the Civic Si. The RSX is too heavy too, and the phucked up on the intake position.
 
I gotta say :honda: make great cars :car:.. and there range though perhaps not appealing to everyone has a car in it for everyone?

Whether your abit of a racer in your NSX, a boy racer in your Civic :r: or a young women in a Jazz, an old lady in her bog standard civic, executive in your Accord, estate agent :home: in your S2000, married with kids school journey CRV..etc..
 
The thing I really, really dislike with the new Civic Si is the ride height and wheel wells. It looks like a rally car. I'm not much of a fan of the K-series motors, not yet anyways. I hate the interior of most Honda's too, they need to take notes from the Supra/MR2/300ZX/NSX/Eclipse.
 
Originally posted by alexy2k
I gotta say :honda: make great cars :car:.. and there range though perhaps not appealing to everyone has a car in it for everyone?
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No. :) Just personal, anything Honda does is done better by another company. Civic is bested by the Corolla, CR-V outdone by RAV4 if you can tolerate the looks (a variety of others if you can't), Accord is definitely outdone by the Camry or Mazda6, and the S2000 is topped by most small convertibles, especially the Miata.

young women in a Jazz,
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:rotfl:
 
Originally posted by risingson77
K - series motors seem pretty good to me. Li'l smoother than B-series and a fatter torque band...my co-worker seems to like his. :)
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In that respect, they're great. In a few other respects, they stink. The primary reason they "stink" is because they are just about totally incompatible with the massive catalog of existing B-series and D-series parts. The main contributor to this problem is that they spin the opposite direction of the B-series. Another major problem is the continuing trend of the ever-more-fragile internal components. The RSX-S is close to 80% of it's peak ability before its insides go bust. Want proof? Throw a HKS GT25xx turbo on it and start a pool for which conrod snaps first. :-/

Reliable Honda? More than ever! Reliable tuned Honda? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
 
What about the new Accord? It looks like a little old Benz if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by M5Power

No. :) Just personal, anything Honda does is done better by another company. Civic is bested by the Corolla, CR-V outdone by RAV4 if you can tolerate the looks (a variety of others if you can't), Accord is definitely outdone by the Camry or Mazda6, and the S2000 is topped by most small convertibles, especially the Miata.
Well I respect your opinions :thumbsup: and agree about the CRV Vs. RAV4 but I prefer the :honda: S2000 to the :mazda:?
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Well when you look at the S2000 while its nice but there are a few problems I have with it.

First off they call it a Sports Car yet it only has a 2.Slow I-4 in it which by my standards isn't a sports car. I don't call my eclipse a sprts car while it does have power.

Next is that it cost wat to much! I mean come on I can buy a Trans Am or a sporty BMW for 34g's. If the car was less money it would be a lot better I think.

This is just me talking here. Also I wouldn't compare a Miata to a S2000....well I guess you could now that I think of it.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780


This is just me talking here. Also I wouldn't compare a Miata to a S2000....well I guess you could now that I think of it.
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Mazda has better handling, and its engine is much better than that revvy anemic S2000 engine.
 
True for some reason the old Miata crossed my mind
 
In my experience, Honda's B-series motors have been bulletproof. We've abused the phuking hell out of more than a few B16's to the tune of 9500rpm week after week with only titianum springs and only blew one engine (seized after ripping a hole in the oil pan). The F & H-series motors have been pretty solid too. I don't really like the exterior's of the cars (except the CL and 5th gen Accord)...and I surely don't like the flat-dashboard, low shifter, and ****ty center console interiors........but I do like the motors and drivetrain.
 
Originally posted by Option2
In my experience, Honda's B-series motors have been bulletproof. We've abused the phuking hell out of more than a few B16's to the tune of 9500rpm week after week with only titianum springs and only blew one engine (seized after ripping a hole in the oil pan).
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So, you like your engines light, thin, and peaky? :D No, seriously: while I'm sure Honda engine blocks are okay, you can't honestly tell me that those pencil-thin conrods hold up to anything other than a bit more NA tuning, can you? NSX aside, I truly don't think there's a single Honda engine out there that can handle any serious amount of forced induction without a trip to Crower.

But wait, you were talking 9,500rpm...and that would imply N/A...which is about all Honda's are good for. :p ;)
 
This is true...most of the guys on Honda-Tech with serious motors have upgraded con-rods. Then again, most motors require some building when you bump the output by 100% or more. :D
 
Originally posted by risingson77
This is true...most of the guys on Honda-Tech with serious motors have upgraded con-rods. Then again, most motors require some building when you bump the output by 100% or more. :D
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It's true of most, but not some of my favorite Japanese engines: RB26DETT, VG30DETT, EJ22T, 2JZ-GTE, KPGC10.... It's as if they do amazing work with some new, unexpected car just to get your attention. Then, after a year or two, they gradually reduce the quality, performance, longevity, robustness...I don't get it. It's very frustrating, too. It's as if you have to compromise: get a new car, but search the junkyards for a better, older revision of the engine you have, or take your chances with a complete older model -- with an engine you'll probably have to take out anyway to rebuild it.

I mean, why don't they do what Ford did with the Mustang SVT? Sure, the release after the Cobra R wasn't up to snuff, but you can't tell me the 2003 model isn't better than the '99 R? Look at the evolution of the Corvette: phenomenal, to say the least. The Camaro's looks may not be my cuppa', but it gets better each year, too.

Then there's the German market, where they stick with what's good, beat it to death, only to replace it with something even better. The VAG 1.8T, BMW 3.0i (and 3.0d), M-B AMG 55 (compare the old 5.5L to the new, blown 5.5L monster). Italian marques are just as good, only they try to improve the whole car -- including, and most importantly, reliability...and they do okay...but at least they try.

What does Japan do? They say "Hey, wasn't that Skyline great? Well, it's going away now. But here's a nifty Maxima for you! Check it: 4 seats and a Bose [ed: yech!] audio system. Keen!" Sorry, charlie. I wan't my old, fugly-faced GT-R. That thing could take the kind of crap driving I dish out. All those engines I listed before are long gone (including Mazda's twin-rotary, which while it needed some work to pump out serious HP, it's still great).

So I want 450HP out of my WRX (no, really, I do...in 3 years). Can I do that with the existing EJ20? No, I have to call up COBB tuning and get a new block -- probably the 2.5L fully-closed-deck -- pistons, heads, etc. Basically, a new engine. I think a lot of people are going to be blowing up a lot of WRX engines when they get too excited about how accepting to tuning the 2003 EJ20t is. :-/ :shrug: Well, there's always TVR....
 
I don't think much of the USDM Hondas because they are always watered down versions of overseas ones.

Civic Type R, NSX-R, Integra Type R....Real good Honda

Civic Si, RSX Type S...They just leave me wanting the uncut version. :rolleyes:

S2000...Good Honda period. :p

USDM Accord...Everything past teh fifth gen is revolting to me.

Euro spec Accord Type R...Real good.

It's almost like they are two different companies US only Honda and the real Honda.

I'll be a fan for life though. :)
 
The S2000 is not that good - try it in the city. If you don't get over a certain RPM, the engine doesn't spring into action. It's pretty pathetic for a car like that, too.
 
The Camaro's looks may not be my cuppa', but it gets better each year, too.
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Also true...but the Camaro had nowhere to go but up. :p

The VG30 was noted for being ridiculously overbuilt. It could support an appreciable bump in power without too much building. It's a rare bird, though.

It is a funny thing about Japanese cars. Enthusiasts make a car popular, and the Japanese auto makers respond by making the car softer and more palatable to the general public. I guess they're hoping to catch an even larger buying audience. :\

M5 - yeah, Honda motors are high strung. Some people like racy motors...and if you buy a Honda, it's most likely that you're one of those people. If you like a more sedate car...there are plenty of choices available.
 
I've never driving a S2000 but I'd think they'd suck. How much torque can that thing produce? I mean my god its a 2.SLOW I-4. It can't be good or can it?
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Honda Insight: Get a life. This is ugly, impractical, slow, and way too expensive. The only good part is gas mileage, and it rarely does 55 MPG. Usually, $20,000 2-seaters have some power, too - this has 68 horses.
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Sombody at my old HS drives one of these. I'm yet to find out who though.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
I've never driving a S2000 but I'd think they'd suck. How much torque can that thing produce? I mean my god its a 2.SLOW I-4. It can't be good or can it?
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Not having driven one I can't say I'm an authority on this, but all of the reviews I've read of the car say that the engine is actually the highlight of the car.
 
Hahaha out PT Crusier has a bigger displacement then the S2000 that makes me laugh
 
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Not having driven one I can't say I'm an authority on this, but all of the reviews I've read of the car say that the engine is actually the highlight of the car.
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...which ties into my point about some people liking high strung engines.

I also have a hard time believing that a Miata handles better than an S2000. It might be easier to drive, but the S2000 does too much correctly (from a chassis and suspension point of view) to be inferior to a Miata.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Hahaha out PT Crusier has a bigger displacement then the S2000 that makes me laugh
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Displacement, huh?

Here's a challenge.

Drive the Audi 2.4 litre V6 back to back with the old 2.6.

Drive the 1.8 litre VW Golf back to back with the old 2 litre.

Then we'll talk about displacement.
 
I don't have anything against Hondas per se.
I do wonder what the heck they were thinking, having the vaunted "V-TEC" cam switch happen at 6000 rpm with a 7000 rpm redline.
In truth, how many folks that drive Civics, and moreso Accords, wind the motor up to 6,000 rpm?
The S2000 is cute, but it would be a lot more fun with an engine that made its power down low in the rev band.
I guess growing up in the era of the V-8, I got spoiled with cars that would cruise at 60 while turning under 2000. And at 4000 were screamin' down the Highway.
I will give Honda the nod for reliability. Of course, If I were to spend what it costs to buy a Honda the damn thing better NEVER break.
 
Originally posted by risingson77


...which ties into my point about some people liking high strung engines.

I also have a hard time believing that a Miata handles better than an S2000. It might be easier to drive, but the S2000 does too much correctly (from a chassis and suspension point of view) to be inferior to a Miata.
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Well, as I say, I've never driven an S2000.

I have driven a couple of Miatas, though, and it's difficult to see how they could improve the handling - those things are enormous fun.
 
Originally posted by risingson77
It is a funny thing about Japanese cars. Enthusiasts make a car popular, and the Japanese auto makers respond by making the car softer and more palatable to the general public. I guess they're hoping to catch an even larger buying audience. :\
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Jeezus! What -- I.... That's exactly what I meant to say. I rambled on for who knows how long and you sum up what I should have said in two lines. :duh: :drunk:
 

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