What drivers have the best race craft

[rabbitude]

OK so we had a list of the dirtiest drivers, the fastest drivers so today after an intense battle with GTP_dramakyd I had an idea. What drivers have the best race craft, this is not just being clean its way more than that. Who can you trust to run side by side through multiple corners and know that as long as you hold your line they will to. There is no feeling worse than having a driver try to pass you up the inside over and over trying to be clean but moving you off line every time. There are tons of clean drivers out there but there are very few drivers I have come across that fall into this elite category. The two I have on my list are GTP's dramakyd and vanos2990. Both of these drivers have an amazing ability to run a variety of different lines, they can pass you just about anywhere and make it clean, when one of these guys comes from way back and sticks there nose in you just know somehow they will make it work. All of the best battles I have had in this game have included these guys. so who else is out there, with private rooms in the near future I want to watch out for these people, peace.......

 

[wrcsti]

I have to agree with both of those guys, very clean and also fast drivers. I myself try to stay in line but like us all I'm human and sometimes understeer of oversteer onto another lane.

 

[kart racer]

rabbitude your pretty good yourself.

 

[Ghoa$t]

good look willey 👍. you're right, i know 99% of the GTP drivers are clean, so i have no worries when i race against GTP tags but it requires some degree of trust to enter a corner side by side with another driver knowing that you'll exit in one piece.

off the top of my head the drivers i've had the most intense and close battles with: wonderwiley, CWR, slicecom, vanos2990.

There are a few more but those are the drivers that i've had the most intense battles with.

 

[Bones Brigade]

don't forget the people that will relinquish their hold on a line when you have obviously made a clean move on their territory for a pass. if you're along the inside of someone going into a corner and can stick inside through the corner, there shouldn't be any contact between the two cars, even if the other drivers usual line was up on the curb where you have just made a move. it's still in the realm of being able to drive different lines but it doesn't seem like it was covered in the OP.

as for my contribution, i would have to say sedubius and Gtp_axle. raced for a long time with these guys last night. lots of great, clean battling. unfortunately, i had the task of trying to overtake a whole field of cars before getting to gtp_axle. i never managed to chase him down successfully, thought the gap was a few tenths smaller. once the other drivers went to bed and it was just the two of us, it was some pretty exciting racing. ran 6:08:xxx and 6:07:xxx at HSR trying to prove myself!

 

[GT_Fanatic]

I'd say you can trust most GTP tagged drivers and everyone one your PSN friends list - tagged or not. Some people do tend to drive in a certain manner according to whether they know you or not.

 

[OzOldTimer]

I'd say you can trust most GTP tagged drivers and everyone one your PSN friends list - tagged or not. Some people do tend to drive in a certain manner according to whether they know you or not.

+1

I thought about this and wanted to list some drivers but there are so many great drivers here I would then feel lousy for missing any off the list. The only complaint I have is that I don't get to race against you guys often enough.

Cheers 👍

 

[MrKipling43]

ccx_ftw is the only GTP racer that I've actually raced against, and he was excellent.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with a bit of squeezing on the exit once you've won the corner. Just watch the F1 guys.

 

[spyrrari]

ccx_ftw is the only GTP racer that I've actually raced against, and he was excellent.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with a bit of squeezing on the exit once you've won the corner. Just watch the F1 guys.

you meen david coulthard...


spyrrari.

 

[Timppaq]

Special mention foes to Zabeu, Truth123, Sphinx, Earth... there are many many more but those came to my mind as I've had many very memorable races against them. 👍

 

[Ardius]

Drivers with the best racecraft. Hmm, well, when we used to run the Suzuki Swift Cup, every driver there was an excellent driver. So thats pretty much everyone listed here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106782

Then the usual suspects come to mind: Timmpaq, Truth123, Rudi Raser, Sphinx, L_Hamilton, Slicecom, rexc...many, many others.
Then theres the people from the other forums, such as:
GTRP_muffin, Roadrunner-GTRP, kain90, GT5net_Wayne, GT5net_Golfy, GT5net_LOLO-W59, GTNDC-Honeycar, GTExD-vick_nait and again many others.

This thread is generally a good overview of the best drivers out there:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=104783

 

[Zetec-ss]

i have had quite a few races with mr.geez, zabeu, truth123, aero_hdt, colin21, lp2k, rudi raser, lp_racer...all of these i have 100% confidence in (i probably forgot to mention a few...i will be adding as i go along) all the rest of GTP racers i have between 75-90% confidence in.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I never have problems with any GTP'ers and sometimes a couple others (a1PAPAOSA was great when I raced him). Other board members are generally good too. Something tells me I am not fast enough to get a special mention in this thread.

 

[Timppaq]

Basically this thread isn't about the speed.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Basically this thread isn't about the speed.

Yeah, but no one notices the slow guy doing things right, because he's too slow.

 

[Timppaq]

Yeah, but no one notices the slow guy doing things right, because he's too slow.

We both know you aren't slow, but you have a point there.. it takes a close to equal pace to get to the situations this thread is about. 👍

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

We both know you aren't slow, but you have a point there.. it takes a close to equal pace to get to the situations this thread is about. 👍

I'm much faster than the "general public", but compared to all of GTP, I am always in the second half of the speed spectrum.

I hope this isn't insulting, (due to calling myself slow, I'm not calling you slow Ravenmaven), but I have to mention Ravenmaven. We had 2 magical weeks at Daytona Road (nothing suss), we met each other by fluke every night, and had some of the best races ever, I'll hopefully not forget that.

 

[Maffski]

Theewar, GTP_stealthwinner and GTP_Energiya have to be three of the drivers with the best racecraft for me. Of course there are others I've raced with, but these guys really know the art of formation flying. I can recall on more than a few occasions that myself and the guys mentioned above had entire races side by side on the track at full pelt without even the slightest touch of wheels. I've had hundreds of good races that have faded from memory, but the races with those guys are indelibly etched into my memory now. 👍

 

[Hugo Boss]

We both know you aren't slow, but you have a point there.. it takes a close to equal pace to get to the situations this thread is about. 👍

What a nice way to describe it, Timo

I would say that if you can't find the fastest lines when driving on your own, it's highly unlikely that you can drive the best lines with others around you.

Finding the fastest lines is already hard enough, doing it lap after lap is another thing and being one of the fastest in traffic is a talent only a handful of drivers are gifted with.

So it's not a shame if you won't be mentioned in this thread. Although the definition of race craft over here is wider than my own interpretation of it. So your name might even get mentioned here, nd 4 holden spd

 

[MrKipling43]

you meen david coulthard...

Finding the fastest lines is already hard enough, doing it lap after lap is another thing and being one of the fastest in traffic is a talent only a handful of drivers are gifted with.

And this is the problem I have with GT5 Online - I'm always there or thereabouts, but I'm never sure whether it's this mythical 'Online Boost' that's helping me out.

 

[Marchbrown]

There are so manny great racers out there. I was so tierd of the online mode and actually put the game on the shelf for a while until i just tumbeld over the GTP. Every night after that, in almost every race xx.10, xx.20 etc I get to know new clean racers. I often ride behind for a round just to check out breakpoints and lines, if they're not blasting away like some gtp'er can do, and i'm so amused by the great racing i've seen the last three weeks. Offcoarse there are exeptions - but we'll all have a bad time at some point don't we. I wont have a 1 to 100... list of great racers - they are all equal too me and they're actually too many to mention all - but you all have my total respect. Thanks for a lot of great racing.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

What a nice way to describe it, Timo

I would say that if you can't find the fastest lines when driving on your own, it's highly unlikely that you can drive the best lines with others around you.

Finding the fastest lines is already hard enough, doing it lap after lap is another thing and being one of the fastest in traffic is a talent only a handful of drivers are gifted with.

So it's not a shame if you won't be mentioned in this thread. Although the definition of race craft over here is wider than my own interpretation of it. So your name might even get mentioned here, nd 4 holden spd

Hey, easy now, I have never found an instance where I simply take the wrong lines, and I've always personally felt that I am faster than a lot of other people when it comes to a battle, certainly I know enough about racing to make the best of a bad situation. I need someone who has battled with me here to back me up though.

BTW- I run the same lap times, sometimes faster through traffic, depending on how much slipstreaming occurs.

My point is, I feel my race craft is right up there with the best, but my speed isn't, so I won't be noticed for my other accomplishments.

Edit: And Timppaq was right, compared to non-board members, I am quite fast compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Ardius]

Hey, easy now, I have never found an instance where I simply take the wrong lines, and I've always personally felt that I am faster than a lot of other people when it comes to a battle, certainly I know enough about racing to make the best of a bad situation. I need someone who has battled with me here to back me up though.

BTW- I run the same lap times, sometimes faster through traffic, depending on how much slipstreaming occurs.

My point is, I feel my race craft is right up there with the best, but my speed isn't, so I won't be noticed for my other accomplishments.

Edit: And Timppaq was right, compared to non-board members, I am quite fast compared to the rest of the world.

Heh, Ill back you up man.
You have raced some hard races, in the showdowns and in the Cups and elsewhere that I was involved with.
The only thing that lets you down is the same silly mistakes we all make. You easily have the speed, the lines, obviously the tunes too. Its just the randomness of racing other humans and experience.

I think you'll find many of the fastest online racers are not necessarily driving super fast lines all the time, just making the best decisions on the track from experience.

 

[kekke2000]

When i'm in top 5 after a lap or so I can trust anyone. Most people capable of getting a higher position than that will race clean.

 

[uk86ze]

40% of Gtp racers I can trust on the inside and outside the racing line and about 0.001% of Joe public.

 

[LinPark]

Completely agree with all the fine comments posted here and can second almost all the racers mentioned here from personal experience. I feel I'm much in the same class as nd holden sp with regard to speed.

Here's what I'd like to see come from this thread - can those of you mentioned here give us comments on how to improve our craft? Here is my example and I did this quite a bit last night on the HSR - I have decent speed and follow the basic lines around the track so when I come up behind someone who has equal craft I'm basically trapped unless they make a hideous mistake. So what I'm asking is take a portion of the HSR (let's say the S section just over the bridge) and tell us what our options are for passing in different lines cleanly. If the answer is that you don't have any options in that section and you have to wait for someone to mess up then so be it, but that means I'll never pass drama-kyd or GTP_CWR in that section because they rarely make a mistake there (or anywhere for that matter ).

Maybe this is something that needs to be taught online in a race so let's setup a time and go out on the track simply to learn - its actually easy to coordinate once on the track because we can just sit in the pit until everyone goes by and then head out for a training lap - the more of us that have this "craft" the better the races will be and if/when we get private rooms the fun and excitement could be even better.

 

[Maffski]

(let's say the S section just over the bridge) and tell us what our options are for passing in different lines cleanly.

In that situation I usually concentrate entirely on exit speed. Usually the guy in front will try to maintain a tight second corner to keep the door shut which limits exit speed, but if you go into the second bend wide to hold a higher speed through the corner you can then translate that extra exit speed into a pass with the help of the draft. Its ain't easy to explain without diagrams to be honest

 

[Jack]

So what I'm asking is take a portion of the HSR (let's say the S section just over the bridge) and tell us what our options are for passing in different lines cleanly.

Well that all depends on what the position you are in and what the cars are in. Most cars will go to the left to take the natural racing. If this happens and you get a good run out of the turn before, then... slipstream the car and go to the right to outbrake the car.

OR...

You can try and pass around the outside. This is alot harder to do. But if they hold a tight line it can be performed and you will have the inside line for the seconds part of the S bend.

OR...

If they go defensive you can perform a cut back move. They go to the right side of the track and defend you from making a late braking move. Then you go to the left and brake more than normal. They will have to take less speed into the corner or if they dont it will result in understeer. At this point you cut behinh them as they understeer out and you can take the posistion.

OR...

You could just wait. Follow tightly behind the car and slipstream through the tunnel then pass.

Is this the type of response you are looking for?

 

[PrudentBear]

Agree with all so far. I personally remember great racing with Timppaq, Zabeu, Truth123 and Honeycar in the days of Suzuka 600pp with the lairy 'old physics' NSXs - proper sweaty palms stuff but 100% clean.

More recently I've enjoyed racing with maffski, theewar, AlternateID, GTGENIUS1982 and all the others added to my friend list over the last couple of weeks - thanks to all.

Here's what I'd like to see come from this thread - can those of you mentioned here give us comments on how to improve our craft?

I haven't been mentioned in this thread and I don't profess to be an expert on race craft by any stretch but I'll contribute anyway if only to increase my post count

One thing that works for me in close combat is to take the 'opposite' line to the car in front. For example, if they go defensive, run deep and cut back for a late apex. If they go deep, take the opportunity for a block pass (careful! lol). This can have the effect of putting more pressure on as you look more "racy" in their mirrors but also means that should they make a mistake you will more often than not be in the right position to capitalize rather than getting caught up in it. There are loads of lines round the esses on HSR depending on where the traffic is and how you get into the corner - I often drive right round the outside of two or three cars who are religiously trying to stick to one line and fighting over the same piece of track.

Another helpful thing (especially on high speed corners) is to position your car to either side of the one in front on entry to a braking zone. This improves your visibility of braking points and corner entries and also removes the need to steer under heavy braking should the car in front brake earlier than anticipated. Again, it puts you in the right place to pass if a mistake is made and it also greatly reduces the chances of a collision or that "oh ****!" feeling as you outbrake yourself straight into the back of GTP_ Sphinx.

This also works if you are leading with someone behind and is especially useful when racing new people while you scope them out and learn their driving habits.

Looking forward to hearing some real tips and tricks! 👍

 

[Ravenmaven]

I'm much faster than the "general public", but compared to all of GTP, I am always in the second half of the speed spectrum.

I hope this isn't insulting, (due to calling myself slow, I'm not calling you slow Ravenmaven), but I have to mention Ravenmaven. We had 2 magical weeks at Daytona Road (nothing suss), we met each other by fluke every night, and had some of the best races ever, I'll hopefully not forget that.

Those races came about as a result of me working 12 hour day shifts (6am-6pm CST Canada). I'd get up early, about 2:30 am and log on. holden, The other Aussies and the Japanese provided some of the most challenging and honorable racing i've encountered.

Those work shifts are coming into rotation for me again soon. Let's hope the fall update will include events that inspire the type of racing and competition that is imo sorely lacking as of late.