What is cutting on Spa according to the OLR?

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So this has turned out to be quite a problem. I'm the host of an endurance race on Spa, and this has been a frequent cause of discussion. The OLR states the following.

"2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
Rumble/ripple strips are part of the track"

However, The red/white stipes at the top of Eau Rouge is wider than an entire car, and thus it should be considered cutting to go off the asphalt, and on to the red/white stripes. Doing so will give you an extra 10-20km/h, and esentially throws the entire difficulty of that turn, right out the window.

Then we have the last high speed turn. Again, I'd say you need to have at least two wheels on the asphalt to be on track, yet I've encountered plenty who say the green is perfectly alright. Again, throwing any difficulty the turn might offer, right out the window. The same goes for the high speed turn after Bruxelles.

What does the admins on here see as off track on Spa? Clearly, the aspalt is the track. The red/white stripes are there to help you through turns, and to signal where the track ends. They are not there as an extension of the track.
 
At least two wheels on the tarmac at all times, should make things easier.

These are pictures from Concours Club. It worked a treat.

Radillon (exit of Eau Rouge)
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Blanchimont (last sweeping left hander before Bus Stop)

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According to the GTP OLR rules and guidelines the width of the rumble strip doesn't matter. So it doesn't matter at Spa either. Dhandes first picture is therefore considered clean according to the OLR rules.

The green painted area on the right side of the exit of Blanchimont (see Dhandes' second picture) is not considered part of the track. So you can only have 2 wheels on the green area at all times; at least 2 wheels on the asphalt at all times.
 
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After the years of playing GRID, I always seem to overshoot the last fast corner before the bus stop. Everyone used to do the same thing. I stop find that occasionally the penalty system can be to much, for example on eau rouge in a race situation you might have to cut the corner slightly to avoid a collision ( getting a 5-10 second penalty can be the difference between first and last). But yes, you should always try to stay on the track as in most cases you will get better traction out of a corner than someone who runs wide out on the outside of the track.
 
humpus
I don't understand the problem? Just put penalties on high?
Let the game decide :)
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The penalty system is broken.

And btw people. It's ok if you want to share your opinion here, but I'm asking the admins. It doesn't matter a whole lot what the average user think. No offence to anyone of course. The OLR was written way before Spa was released, so you could debate just how much the OLR can be used when dealing with Spa.
 
Jawehawk
The penalty system is broken.
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I can't see how a host can do a better job than a 'broken' penalty system.
Will you just tell people: "driver x, give that place back to driver y"?
Obviously you will get a lot of discussion. And yes, also when you put penalties on high. But it's still a game, not real life. Every frequent GT-gamer knows how the penalty system works, and knows how to avoid a penalty at the two locations you indicated.

And no offence, but starting a topic where only admins should answer? It's still a forum, not a private party :)
 
humpus
I don't understand the problem? Just put penalties on high?
Let the game decide :)
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Penalty system while it may be fair to an extent in this track, the lapped cars ghosting up is just plain stupid and takes so much from the experience.
On our series is plain and simple, two wheels on track at all times, curbs are part of the track. Simple as that, don't overcomplecate things. What's equal for all is fair for everyone.
 
Jav
Penalty system while it may be fair to an extent in this track, the lapped cars ghosting up is just plain stupid and takes so much from the experience.
On our series is plain and simple, two wheels on track at all times, curbs are part of the track. Simple as that, don't overcomplecate things. What's equal for all is fair for everyone.
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OK, but I'm just curious about how hosts manage these situations in real time?
 
humpus
I can't see how a host can do a better job than a 'broken' penalty system.
Will you just tell people: "driver x, give that place back to driver y"?
Obviously you will get a lot of discussion. And yes, also when you put penalties on high. But it's still a game, not real life. Every frequent GT-gamer knows how the penalty system works, and knows how to avoid a penalty at the two locations you indicated.
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Well, you might require a penalty system to follow the rules. But I try to run with people who have an understanding of following rules without a babysitter...

I'm not trying to be an ass towards you, but serisouly. Not everyone needs a system to keep them from breaking rules.
 
humpus
OK, but I'm just curious about how hosts manage these situations in real time?
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You don't. Something you need to take care after the race, you just watch the replay and assesses penalties as needed. That's just the reality of this game, without any serious and real penalty system this method is the only real chance we have any serious online racing.
 
Jawehawk
And btw people. It's ok if you want to share your opinion here, but I'm asking the admins. It doesn't matter a whole lot what the average user think. No offence to .
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:confused:

The OLR rules were developed for the WRS on this forum. Because they are sensible and fair, they have been more widely adopted by people on this forum for other series.

However people unfamiliar with the WRS or indeed this forum are unlikely to observe them. In other words, we don't make the rules for GT5. We make the rules for the WRS and people extend the OLR developed for that to their own series on their own accord.
 
Jav
You don't. Something you need to take care after the race, you just watch the replay and assesses penalties as needed. That's just the reality of this game, without any serious and real penalty system this method is the only real chance we have any serious online racing.
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That's too bad.
Anyway, I think the corner cutting at Eau Rouge should be limited, like the penalty system does btw. Four wheels on the curb equals a penalty. They're just too wide to still consider part of the race track.

Btw, my biggest problem with Spa is Pouhon, where you can go off and rejoin the track without any penalty or time loss. I know that's tarmac next to the race track, but that piece of tarmac shouldn't have the grip that it does right now.
 
Yeah only in official Racing-Series you can penalize afterwards.
In open-lobbies you can only appeal to the common racing sense ;)
I personally hate the GT5-Penalty System because it´s broke. Sometimes you don´t get penalty for a bigtime Cut and sometimes you get rammed and get the Penalty
=> I don´t use it if I open a Lobby.

@humpus: Pouhon is the downhill double Lefthander ? If it is yes you should have less grip at the runoff area.
 
In real life racing at Spa, all cars are required to have at least 2 wheels within the white lines that outline the track (the one on the inside of the red and white rumble strip), therefore the first picture is a clear case of cutting the corner. Think this is a fair and still challenging way to take the corner without 'cheating'
 
Penalty system can be nasty, specially when you spin and get a penalty. You're basically being punished twice. Sometimes you go off track to avoid a colision.

As stated above, it's best to race with people who understand the track limits.

Once, in open lobby, I lost a race by a great margin. Spa with rain. Only to find out later that everyone was cutting every single corner in the track. =(
 
humpus
I can't see how a host can do a better job than a 'broken' penalty system.
Will you just tell people: "driver x, give that place back to driver y"?
Obviously you will get a lot of discussion. And yes, also when you put penalties on high. But it's still a game, not real life. Every frequent GT-gamer knows how the penalty system works, and knows how to avoid a penalty at the two locations you indicated.

And no offence, but starting a topic where only admins should answer? It's still a forum, not a private party :)
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Who slows down from 300 km/h to 60 to tell somebody he's naughty?
 

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