What is the best car for the 24 minute endurances?

Shakie666
I don't know. I don't own it myself. I always thought it was only the AI that could get away with only pitting every 3rd lap.
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The Sauber will do just fine. You could play with lsd settings for easier throttle control.
 
The Stig Farmer
So I've golded every race in the Super events, apart from the the two 24 minute mini-endurances at Spa and Le Mans. I've tried both with the Audi R18 TDI and the DeltaWing, but they just aren't fast enough. Should I upgrade to a Group C beast? Or go completely off-kilter and enter in something like the Monster SX4?

I really would like the Pikes Peak quattro... for free :indiff:
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You're doing something wrong. The endurances are about stop-strategy and the bug-ridden tyre choices (PD messed up by setting the "grip loss at track edge" to low instead of real in these races, which makes slicks better than rain tyres). The AI drives so conservatively (probably because it relates to the 'real' grip settings or something) that any of the Bentley/Audi/Toyota choices are doable. The AI is so slow that I wonder if we shouldn't start a PP competition for these races. Noticed how the 500 pp races have a 600pp limit? Using 450 pp makes such a race competitive.
 
I bought a Mazda 787 for the endurance races just because it sounds the coolest and look good in stealth colors. Bone stock, with oil change will do you just fine.
 
SirAlanClive
You're doing something wrong. The endurances are about stop-strategy and the bug-ridden tyre choices (PD messed up by setting the "grip loss at track edge" to low instead of real in these races, which makes slicks better than rain tyres). The AI drives so conservatively (probably because it relates to the 'real' grip settings or something) that any of the Bentley/Audi/Toyota choices are doable. The AI is so slow that I wonder if we shouldn't start a PP competition for these races. Noticed how the 500 pp races have a 600pp limit? Using 450 pp makes such a race competitive.
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Sorry, but there must be something wrong when by the second lap I'm still in 15th position and about 50 seconds behind them.

And it can't be because of driver skill or something like that, I've managed to get to the Super races... :lol:
 
I used the Silk Cut Jaguar XJR-9 and won both. Any Group C car adequate I think, the Jag happens to be my favourite :)
 
At 24min Nürb the go to Car is for me the R35TC plain perfect Car for me 👍
For the 24min Spa I used the R18 and won easily. Made one pitstop at lap 7 started with inters. I think I still won due to the stupid AI pitting on two laps in a row => but winning is winning.

For Fuel saving try to limit throttle to max 75% (it´s hard for me as a DS3 user whom accels with the X-Button but I managed it.) this saves huge amount of Fuel and the difference isn´t that big. When Drafting you can reduce the Throttle to under 50% and still be pulled to your opponent. Strength of the R18 is Corner and espacially Corner-exit-speed => try focusing o that aspect.
In addition AI drives totally lame when there is rain on the Track.

Will use the R18 for the Le Mans race too because the setup I now have is a) competitive and b) makes the race atleast a bit exciting or I even loose because I make an error (driving or Strategy).
 
The Stig Farmer
I thought of getting it just for the outright speed. There's no way a modern LMP car keep pace with a Group C.
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That's what many people think but the truth is something else. The pole position for the 1989 race was taken by a Sauber-Mercedes C9 with a time of 3'15 and for the 2013 race by an Audi R18 with a time of 3'22 - and it's worth noticing that back in '89 there were no chicanes on the Hunaudieres.

I conducted a GT6 test on the subject. Using a 908 HDi courtesy car from Arcade mode, grip reduction real, ABS 1, TCS 0, Racing Hards. The top speed is around 342-343 km/h which means that real modern LMPs are slower but Group C cars were quite a bit faster. I observed two checkpoints on the circuit, the first being the one just before Tertre Rouge leading to the Hunaudieres straight, and the second being the one after the tight Mulsanne right hander.

Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (normal): 0'32,3xx & 2'02,0xx

Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (no chicanes): 0'32,4xx & 1'45,2xx

If anything, it goes to show how fast the modern cars really go through corners - the real time difference is seven seconds, GT6 shows the chicanes alone being worth 17 seconds and with the modern LMP pottering around at ~320 km/h while the Group C car is doing 400 km/h we would be looking at 20+ seconds. Put them both on the current version of the track and after a few corners the Group C car has no idea which way the LMP went.

EDIT - In 1991 there were already chicanes on the Hunaudieres and Mercedes had replaced the C9 with an even faster C11. The pole position time? 3:31.270...
 
The Nissan GT-R R35 TC is the most fun for the long Super races. And it is a little easier done than I had feared.
Silverstone did take several attempts but by pushing really hard I finally nailed it.

The Super races can therefore be won by two cars: the KTM X-Bow '12, a prize car from the National A licence. And by buying the GT-R T35 TC, a much cheaper proposition than the Audi's etc suggested above.

To reach and win the Super races you only need to buy two cars in all (including the initial acquisition right at the beginning), the rest is mainly done by prize cars, mainly the X-Bow and the Scirocco R '10 and the Clio, until there's enough to buy the GT-R.
 
von Stiefel
The Nissan GT-R R35 TC is the most fun for the long Super races. And it is a little easier done than I had feared.
Silverstone did take several attempts but by pushing really hard I finally nailed it.

The Super races can therefore be won by two cars: the KTM X-Bow '12, a prize car from the National A licence. And by buying the GT-R T35 TC, a much cheaper proposition than the Audi's etc suggested above.

To reach and win the Super races you only need to buy two cars in all (including the initial acquisition right at the beginning), the rest is mainly done by prize cars, mainly the X-Bow and the Scirocco R '10 and the Clio, until there's enough to buy the GT-R.
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My dear von Stiefel, all the S races can be won by the humble Rocket prize car, I'm sure you know.
 
If you want outright speed, the Audi R8 Racecar '01 should do the trick. It's a fantastic all-rounder.
 
Dotini
My dear von Stiefel, all the S races can be won by the humble Rocket prize car, I'm sure you know.
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lol, no I didn't know. Seen it mentioned, that's all, as some secret weapon ...secret weapons are almost cheats and give little satisfaction. I have yet to attempt the Goodwood races. I've had only the career races in my sights, and reaching the top in the shortest manner possible by the fewest races and fewest acquisitions possible. I have only scratched the surface of GT 6.
That the X-Bow and the "Rocket" are labelled "normal" cars I do not quite understand.
 
von Stiefel
lol, no I didn't know. Seen it mentioned, that's all, as some secret weapon ...secret weapons are almost cheats and give little satisfaction. I have yet to attempt the Goodwood races. I've had only the career races in my sights, and reaching the top in the shortest manner possible by the fewest races and fewest acquisitions possible. I have only scratched the surface of GT 6.
That the X-Bow and the "Rocket" are labelled "normal" cars I do not quite understand.
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Have you tumbled to the ZZ II?
 
Dotini
Have you tumbled to the ZZ II?
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Not in GT 6, only in GT 5.

I won the "Rocket" just now. Somewhat fairly easily and quickly done, once the tracks have been programmed into my spine. I'm off for the 24-minute Nürburgring now, to see what the Rocket is good for.

(Edit 10 minutes later: hmmmmm .......belly up. Later.)
 
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Dotini
Have you tumbled to the ZZ II?
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The 24-minute Nürburgring in the "Rocket" : leaving the opposition far behind was less a problem than preventing the "Rocket" rolling over. AND no pit stop, making it even easier.
 
I used Sauber C9 and lapped the field at Spa, stayed on race hards the whole time and pitted every 4th lap
 
I did it with the honda hsv 15th anni edition eith stage 3 turbo on race hard and last pit lap I put on race soft and won
 
The 24 minute races are not very hard so long as you do not try to over drive the car. I used a stock Audi R8 LMP wiht RS tires for Lemans and Spa won by a large margin on both tracks. On Lemans I pitted 2 times and on Spa I ran out of gas half way through a lap but still won both by several seconds.

On Nurburgring I used the Mercedes Touring Car on RH tires, no pit, no problem

Lights on both cars worked fine
 
My best lap at Le Mans in the 15th Anniversary R18 with Stage 2 turbo was a 4:02... I can't find the straight line speed to keep with anyone, and while my speed through the corners is solid, I can't hold them off forever... I'm guessing a downforce change is in order?
 
hawkeye122
My best lap at Le Mans in the 15th Anniversary R18 with Stage 2 turbo was a 4:02... I can't find the straight line speed to keep with anyone, and while my speed through the corners is solid, I can't hold them off forever... I'm guessing a downforce change is in order?
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It depends on so many things.
Driver assists, I apply an ABS of 1 only, nothing else. I raised the car all I could and softened the suspension a bit. The Mid Turbo like you. Racing Soft tyres. Full Downforce front and rear. And I lapped at around 3:35 to 3:36. A one-stop strategy is possible.

Then I put on Turbo High and increased top speed for laps of 3:30 to 3:31 (a little more in the dark), but increased fuel consumption quite a bit.
No doubt I can improve on this.

Oh, and do not mind the Short Cut Penalties. Especially the ones down the Mulsanne: go off the throttle at the last moment, storm through them, cut it fine and don't hit the barriers.

And a soft trigger finger for the throttle.
 
*UPDATE*​

I sunk my money into a Monster SX4.

Pitted every two laps at Le Mans, rain kept the tyres cool, and pitted with the lead 905 Evo on the last lap for half a tank and some fresh rubber, won by about 20 seconds (905 seemingly decided to get a full fill-up for whatever reason and sat in the pits for a while longer).

Somehow squeezed four laps out of the gas-guzzler at Spa (1,200bhp drains the tank quite quickly :dopey:) and was catching up to the lead pack at a phenomenal rate when the rain stopped and they all decided to pit for dry tyres. :dunce:

Now I'm done, I must say those two were some damn good races. Should all be like this...
 
hawkeye122
My best lap at Le Mans in the 15th Anniversary R18 with Stage 2 turbo was a 4:02... I can't find the straight line speed to keep with anyone, and while my speed through the corners is solid, I can't hold them off forever... I'm guessing a downforce change is in order?
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The R18, while terrific at Spa and Nurburgring, is hopeless at Le Mans. Do yourself a big favor and get the 905B, which has a great balance of speed, handling and efficiency. Easy legal 3:30 laps with no turbo, goes 3 laps on soft tires and fuel at Le Mans, and needs only one more stop end of lap 5.

With this, you will clobber everyone else.
 
Just finished the Nurburgring 24min. with the '70 challenger R/T race car. Racing soft tires and didn't have to pit but I was hypermiling toward the end of the last lap. Had to resort to the minolta for the Le mans though. I'll probably go back and try it again with the rocket another time.
 
I won all but Le Mans with the Rocket. I would have won Le Mans with the Minolta Toyota, but when I went to pit on the last lap to change my absolutely shredded tires, I spun out when braking and the computer reset me and just drove through the pit without stopping.
 
Peugeot 905 is the best by far.
Deltawing is also be good as it's much easier on fuel and tires than LMPs. You just need to get a good tune on it.
 
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eSZee
Peugeot 905 is the best by far.
Deltawing is also be good as it's much easier on fuel and tires than LMPs. You just need to get a good tune on it.
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Think ive found one messed about with the car for days and have got it fairly easy to drive now
 
eSZee
Peugeot 905 is the best by far.
Deltawing is also be good as it's much easier on fuel and tires than LMPs. You just need to get a good tune on it.
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Don't forget the rocket car 👍
No pitstops for tires nor fuel...

(although it's almost cheating and for sure it's not a challenging race)
 

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