What is the Most Overrated Car Of All Time?

-> Heres my overrated list (in order):

1. Hummer H2
2. Pontiac Solstice (non-turbo)
3. Scion xB 2nd Gen (aka. Toyota Corolla Rumion)
4. BMW X6
5. Mazda Protege5
 
The Vanishing Boy
-> Heres my overrated list (in order):

1. Hummer H2
2. Pontiac Solstice (non-turbo)
3. Scion xB 2nd Gen (aka. Toyota Corolla Rumion)
4. BMW X6
5. Mazda Protege5
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I'm not questioning your no.2 here (because I never even knew there was a non-turbo Solstice :lol:), but why the Solstice? (As in, I'm curious to hear about it).
 
BMW M5 and/or M6.

Brilliant engine, ruined by a rubbish gearbox.

The press raved about them as they are great to drive in isolation on short road tests when you're driving them hard. But for everyday use the gearbox is just painful.

And if you're going to build a car that does 10-12mpg, at least give it a decent sized fuel tank... an everyday range of 250 miles on a full tank is silly.
 
Ahh but you see, the E60 M5 is/was available with a proper 6 speed in North America... And after driving both, I couldn't see why you'd opt for the semi-auto thingiemajigbob. :D
 
YSSMAN
I'd choose to disagree on that. Whether or not the performance-oriented folks like it, the car has caused a change in the way people think about buying their cars (and trucks). Toyota developed the technology, made it cheaper, and consequently started a race to the bottom for Hybrid power. I'd generally agree that the car hasn't exactly moved forward enough to remain completely relevant against other Hybrids (the Fusion comes to mind here), but since it was the car to otherwise change the world, I wouldn't call it overrated.
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And I'd argue that gas prices shooting up past 4 bucks caused a lot more ruckus than the yuppies bragging about how their Camry-priced, Corolla-sized Prius got vaguely better mileage than the Corolla-sized, Corolla-priced Corolla did.
Particularly when it is the poster child for Toyota, which allows the fact that they build just as many fuel spewing barges as America to go unchallenged; and especially when the car that actually made a stand as to what hybrids can do was all but ignored. That's not a triumph in design. That's good marketing.

Of, course, opinions on the internet and whatnot.

JCE
For me its a three way tie:

Hummer H2
Ferrari Enzo
Toyota Prius
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Did the H2 ever have hype?

The Vanishing Boy
3. Scion xB 2nd Gen (aka. Toyota Corolla Rumion)
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Similarly, did anyone ever like these?
 
The Vanishing Boy
5. Mazda Protege5
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Them's fighting words... :lol:

Over-rated in what way? In the way that it actually had great handling and so-so acceleration? Those of us who praise them praise them because of what they can do, not because of what we think they can do, but can't... :D
 
TheCracker
I'm no fan of the R8, but to say it's slow......
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I was talking more about acceleration... the Z06 and GT-R leave it in the dust. Along with the 911 I think... I remember the 0-60 in R8 was over 4 seconds! I expect under 4 seconds for a car that costs 120k. For that I could get a Focus AND a ZR1. And the ZR1 would rape it, spit on it, and then do a burnout in its face.
 
Prosthetic
I was talking more about acceleration... the Z06 and GT-R leave it in the dust. Along with the 911 I think... I remember the 0-60 in R8 was over 4 seconds! I expect under 4 seconds for a car that costs 120k. For that I could get a Focus AND a ZR1. And the ZR1 would rape it, spit on it, and then do a burnout in its face.
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Oh mighty Gods save us all! The R8 can't even break 4 seconds to 60! What hope does humankind have now? :scared:



















Seriously though, who cares? Really? 4 seconds ish is still bloody fast, regardless of the competition. Do you really think the average Joe can tell the difference between 3 seconds and 4 seconds to 60? Unless you spend your whole time drag racing then it doesn't make a blind, shiny bit of difference. And the R8 has a hell of a lot of other qualities, so to say it's overrated based on an entirely not slow 0-60 time is pushing it a bit.
 
homeforsummer
Seriously though, who cares? Really? 4 seconds ish is still bloody fast, regardless of the competition. Do you really think the average Joe can tell the difference between 3 seconds and 4 seconds to 60? Unless you spend your whole time drag racing then it doesn't make a blind, shiny bit of difference. And the R8 has a hell of a lot of other qualities, so to say it's overrated based on an entirely not slow 0-60 time is pushing it a bit.
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That's what I'm saying.. You can't really argue over split seconds when you've probaby not even felt fast. I mean, in traffic when gunning down the on-ramp, even my fun car is giving me a hoot.. 90 bhp.
The only thing I'd imagine is that the R8 is perhaps so plush that it doesn't feel fast the same way as something else? I've never even been in one, but it's an Audi so I doubt it's a stripped out car :)

I'm sorry but this is funny :)
Prosthetic
I expect under 4 seconds for a car that costs 120k.
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Stotty
BMW M5 and/or M6.

Brilliant engine, ruined by a rubbish gearbox.
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:jaw drop:

so you're pretty much saying that a 7-speed, F1 Paddles-on-the-steering-column CVT semi-automatic transmission is overrated, huh? Because That's what you're pretty much saying.

well, in that case, you should the aftforementioned NSX, Ferraris, and basically every single car that Lexus has releases in the last ten years. (I maybe forgetting others, but I digress)

BTW, CTV stands for Continuously Varible Transmission. it's not meant to be perfect. it's meant to go though the gears seamlessly. I drove the M5 in GT4, and I didn't see any problems with the Gearbox.

Get over yourself.
 
The R8's 0-60 is 4.74 seconds. More then a second slower, imagine what you can do with that one second.

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Listen to that!!! :drool:


EDIT2: Stock ZR1 would rape most things in the drag, WENSNESDAY NIGHT DRAGS AT INFINEON BABY!

EDIT3: I think I'm falling in love with the ZR1 now...
 
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RacingGameFan22
:jaw drop:

so you're pretty much saying that a 7-speed, F1 Paddles-on-the-steering-column CVT semi-automatic transmission is overrated, huh? Because That's what you're pretty much saying.

well, in that case, you should the aftforementioned NSX, Ferraris, and basically every single car that Lexus has releases in the last ten years. (I maybe forgetting others, but I digress)

BTW, CTV stands for Continuously Varible Transmission. it's not meant to be perfect. it's meant to go though the gears seamlessly. I drove the M5 in GT4, and I didn't see any problems with the Gearbox.

Get over yourself.
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Oh ****.
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It is not a CVT at all. You said it yourself, a CVT is Continuously Variable. That would be the transmission used in the Prius (and if we're using GT4 for our real life opinions, the Fit is also equipped with one if I recall correctly). Its an automated manual gearbox that you can shift yourself with the paddles if you like. Its "rubbish" because in any situation where you aren't driving the wheels off of it, the shifts are jerky and so forth.

I don't even know what you're saying about the second paragraph. First I thought you were saying they all had "paddle shifted CVTs", but surely you don't think every car made in the last ten years has them.

Last paragraph, as for "going through gears seamlessly", it more of making one gear work infinitely. CVTs don't change gears, though there are some cars (Nissan Altima/Maxima?) that have a way to let the CVT "hold" a "gear" ratio and allow you to shift through them in a way.


Oh, almost forgot. GT4 isn't real. Don't get the impression that cars drive just like they do in the game. Especially how they would shift.
 
Prosthetic
The R8's 0-60 is 4.74 seconds. More then a second slower, imagine what you can do with that one second.

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Listen to that!!! :drool:


EDIT2: Stock ZR1 would rape most things in the drag, WENSNESDAY NIGHT DRAGS AT INFINEON BABY!

EDIT3: I think I'm falling in love with the ZR1 now...
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Remember guys, 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are EVERYTHING! Pointless figures are THE reason that people buy cars :dopey:

Anyway, fanboy much?
 
Prosthetic
The R8's 0-60 is 4.74 seconds. More then a second slower, imagine what you can do with that one second.
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That's great! ...if you live on a drag strip :rolleyes: :sly:

You are also thinking locally. The R8 is sold the world over where as the ZR1 is pretty much only sold in the US. It may cost you more for a R8 over there but elsewhere i suspect the R8 is the cheap car. In the UK an R8 is £30,000 cheaper and on mainland Europe an R8 is 105,000 Euros to 136,000 for the ZR1!
 
Imakuni
Remember guys, 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are EVERYTHING! Pointless figures are THE reason that people buy cars :dopey:

Anyway, fanboy much?
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Your calling me a fanboy? LOL? I'm now a Corvette fanboy somehow!! I used to be called a GT-R fanboy! What has the world come to!

EDIT: See, I'm speaking locally, not world wide. Different cars are rated differently around the world. German cars are the "in" thing right now. So the R8 is ranked among gods! Personally I think both the ZR1 and R8 are ugly, R8 being better looking, but I'd take the ZR1 for the noise it makes alone. The performance is just another little extra you get for saving money. I'll take it.
 
RacingGameFan22
so you're pretty much saying that a 7-speed, F1 Paddles-on-the-steering-column CVT semi-automatic transmission is overrated, huh? Because That's what you're pretty much saying.

well, in that case, you should the aftforementioned NSX, Ferraris, and basically every single car that Lexus has releases in the last ten years. (I maybe forgetting others, but I digress)

I drove the M5 in GT4, and I didn't see any problems with the Gearbox.
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Have you any idea what your talking about?

The M5/M6 have robotised manual gearboxes, not CVT's. They have a clutch like a full manual, but it's operation is run by hydraulics and managed by a computer. In principal, the same as an F1 'box, but what's good for a racing car doesn't necessarily work well on a 4 door saloon.

Most Lexus have automatic 'boxes. They use a torque convertor... totally different thing, but still not CVT!

And driving cars in GT4 is a game... it isn't necessarily like real life.
 
-Fred-
Ahh but you see, the E60 M5 is/was available with a proper 6 speed in North America... And after driving both, I couldn't see why you'd opt for the semi-auto thingiemajigbob. :D
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Exactly :)

And BMW have now seen the light and developed themselves a decent dual clutch 'box a la the VW DSG... no more robotised rubbish, thank God.
 
Prosthetic
Your calling me a fanboy? LOL? I'm now a Corvette fanboy somehow!! I used to be called a GT-R fanboy! What has the world come to!

EDIT: See, I'm speaking locally, not world wide. Different cars are rated differently around the world. German cars are the "in" thing right now. So the R8 is ranked among gods! Personally I think both the ZR1 and R8 are ugly, R8 being better looking, but I'd take the ZR1 for the noise it makes alone. The performance is just another little extra you get for saving money. I'll take it.
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I know how you weren't sober when writing this etc, but can you see how

"I'll take x car over y car for z personal reasons" is NOT the same as "y car is overrated?"

The Audi does everything that's asked of it, thereby living up to it's hype. You can't toss it in against something it wasn't really ever meant to compete against, and then call it overrated because it can't meet up to the other cars forte.

*For the record, I'd take a ZR1 over an R8 anyday too.
 
I am going to say an NSX : overpriced effort from Honda to try to build a supercar
 
Prosthetic
The R8's 0-60 is 4.74 seconds. More then a second slower, imagine what you can do with that one second.
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Absolutely nothing. Seriously. On the track I doubt you'd notice as the R8 is supposed to be fantastic to throw about, and on the road if you're exploiting seconds next to other supercars then you're an idiot. In the real world in virtually any application, you're not going to notice the difference.

Not to mention, in the real world something like an R8 would be quicker most of the time due to it's AWD. The ZR1 would have to have a pretty nifty driver to launch it off the line quicker than the average R8 launch.

Nicksfix
I am going to say an NSX : overpriced effort from Honda to try to build a supercar
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If the price was the only problem with the NSX then it's not a cause to declare it overrated. As has already been mentioned, contemporary road tests preferred the NSX to Ferrari's competitior, the 348. That doesn't sound like an overrated car.
 
homeforsummer
If the price was the only problem with the NSX then it's not a cause to declare it overrated. As has already been mentioned, contemporary road tests preferred the NSX to Ferrari's competitior, the 348.
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Particularly when that specific Ferrari is now thought of to be held together with shoe strings and gum, yet still cost twice as much.
There is a reason why everyone loves the F355 but tend to (intentionally) forget that it was based on the 348. Likewise with the Porsche 964 that the NSX also (initially) competed with.
 
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homeforsummer
If the price was the only problem with the NSX then it's not a cause to declare it overrated. As has already been mentioned, contemporary road tests preferred the NSX to Ferrari's competitior, the 348. That doesn't sound like an overrated car.
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comparing what you get for your buck - lets say 25-35 thousand to go buy something - they are overrated
ZR-1 Vettes,Z-06 'Vettes can be had in this range- the NSX is no match here , overrated price and less performance.
You can go out and buy 2 Mustang GT'S in this range - NSX will struggle to keep up with a GT. Overrated by performance and price again.
Dodge Vipers can be had in this range as well - NSX will not even think of running with a Viper - the NSX has been had again on price and performance.
In my opinion,it is overrated ( no harm - no foul homeforsummer ) 👍 I respect you opinion.
 

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