What is with these skylines?

I know the skylines could tool a mustang on a track (for god's sake anything with wheels could destroy a stang) and the skylines are cool and rare but I was talkin 1/4 mile and how these Fast and the Furious kids think a stock skyline runs a 5 second quarter and with some upgrades a skyline could escape a black whole. I live in the flroida keys and down here there are nothing but ricer boys that bad mouth american cars all day and I needed to vent some frustration. ;)
 
Originally posted by agentlongwood
I know the skylines could tool a mustang on a track (for god's sake anything with wheels could destroy a stang) and the skylines are cool and rare but I was talkin 1/4 mile and how these Fast and the Furious kids think a stock skyline runs a 5 second quarter and with some upgrades a skyline could escape a black whole. I live in the flroida keys and down here there are nothing but ricer boys that bad mouth american cars all day and I needed to vent some frustration. ;)
Um, I would have to disagree with the tooling of Stangs,

Don't get me wrong I'm a once Mazda, now Chevy man and seen some stangs that would obilterate Skylines and other cars, here is a site for you. . . http://www.blacksautomotivegroup.com/ this place up here in Orlando has produced some monster Stangs, currently they have nothing too great but still better then a lot of cars on the road. PS don't let Gill hear you bad mouth stangs :D
 
Originally posted by miata13B
Um, I would have to disagree with the tooling of Stangs,

Don't get me wrong I'm a once Mazda, now Chevy man and seen some stangs that would obilterate Skylines and other cars, here is a site for you. . . http://www.blacksautomotivegroup.com/ this place up here in Orlando has produced some monster Stangs, currently they have nothing too great but still better then a lot of cars on the road. PS don't let Gill hear you bad mouth stangs :D

I know man I go to school at the university of central florida which is in orlando. Blacks is bad ass. they had a superchips test car for sale for a while. I can do a little bad mouthing cause I own a mustang and I do autocross with it. It goes like a raped ape on the straights and I did some work on to make it turn better but its still understeers like MAD. I love my car but I can admit it turns like a dumptruck.
 
Originally posted by agentlongwood
Bein that thats how much a certain female parent of yours is payin me I just might run out and buy one. :mischievous:


Actually for what she would pay you I doubt you could buy a newspaper.:D
 
Originally posted by Gil
I was thinking more of a WRX Station Wagon, with a Turbo/ Intercooler upgrade. :D

What is really scary is they exist in real life. They are quite common here in New Zealand. It was a JDM product and sold new in New Zealand and I believe in Australia as well.

Agentlongwood
Fair call. Sometimes it is hard to read real intent into a post. I get the same thing here but the other way around. i prefer to just get along. Hence I belong to a three different car clubs and looking to join another one that is perdomenantly V8's but welcome any performance car enthusisast.

Actually for what she would pay you I doubt you could buy a newspaper.
Not really. The owners of that GTR Pro-import drag R32 GTR paid a paultry $13,800 USD at auction in Japan for the car. When they bought it, it already had most of the gear in it. They have changed a fair bit since to make it proper drag car but it still ran low 10's as they bought it. It was making just on 850hp at the flywheel.
You just have to be lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.
 
I hate ignorant people who stay one sided and are real hard headed too.

"Nothing is as embarrassing as watching someone do something that you said couldn't be done." - Sam Ewing
 
hahaha Super Street magazine here in the U.S cracks me up....read what they said about the skyline :" It's amazing how one car can incite so much excitement; I'm surprised people haven't started naming their kids Skyline, Nissan, or RB26DETT. This car is the main reason we're so behind in automotive technology. Japan has been tuning and perfecting this car since 1957, and here we are gawking at every Skyline as if it was a panty-less cheerleader. I can just hear the tuners in Japan laughing out loud on their hovercraft skateboards while calling friends on their 3-inch color cell phones saying, "Them Americans just ain't right." As we continue to get lambasted by other nations because of our technological shortcomings and our anachronistic tuning methods, they continue to create Skylines so amazing we can't help but look under their skirts."

here are some pics of the skyline they were talking about

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I'm drooling....
 
Alright guys... Skylines are still a complete mystery to me, after all I've ever read about them. This is what I know so far, some are expensive>lack power>easily upgradable>major potential for a rice rocket ;) (No offense, I just had to add it in :P This point of view is probably from a lack of knowledge, so...you know...) Anyway, can someone provide a link or just tell me here, describing the Skylines. I, as I said, really know absolutly nothing about them Japanese imports, any general information (models, specs, etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks.


^^^Above Skyline.... Holy ****.....
 
Originally posted by quicksilver1122
Alright guys... Skylines are still a complete mystery to me, after all I've ever read about them. This is what I know so far, some are expensive>lack power>easily upgradable>major potential for a rice rocket ;) (No offense, I just had to add it in :P This point of view is probably from a lack of knowledge, so...you know...) Anyway, can someone provide a link or just tell me here, describing the Skylines. I, as I said, really know absolutly nothing about them Japanese imports, any general information (models, specs, etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks.


^^^Above Skyline.... Holy ****.....


a couple of things about what you "learned" so far....1 yes skylines can be expensive but it all depends where you live..think about it..Motorex the company that sells skylines in the us had to crash test each skyline model it sells untill it met us specs..that can get pricey....if you had to bring a car here from overseas, legalize the car to meet crash test standards, replace all the stickers to english, meet emissions laws and pay huge amounts of money for federal, state, local taxes...that ads most of the price to the car....ad on top of that that motorex has to pay all its employees, pay utilities, make a profit...you can see how easily the price goes up....2 the lack of power is due to government regulations in japan that wont alow over 280 horsepower so the skylines are detuned from the factory....the skylines do have huge power potential...the veilisde skyline has 1360 hp and is still street legal :mischievous: if you want to know more just go here :http://www.jbskyline.net/R34/GTR/ it will tell you all about skylines...that specific link tells you about the R34 GTR skyline...check it out :D
 
Originally posted by quicksilver1122
Alright guys... Skylines are still a complete mystery to me, after all I've ever read about them. This is what I know so far, some are expensive>lack power>easily upgradable>major potential for a rice rocket ;) (No offense, I just had to add it in :P This point of view is probably from a lack of knowledge, so...you know...) Anyway, can someone provide a link or just tell me here, describing the Skylines. I, as I said, really know absolutly nothing about them Japanese imports, any general information (models, specs, etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks.


^^^Above Skyline.... Holy ****.....

It lacks power, but its faster round the Nurburgring than the 996 TT ;) :lol:
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
the lack of power is due to government regulations in japan that wont alow over 280 horsepower so the skylines are detuned from the factory

Not entirely true.

The horsepower restriction (276hp not 280hp... but 276hp = 280PS, which is the unit the Japanese prefer to use) is as a result of a "Gentleman's Agreement" and is not enforced in law. Nothing is detuned, just advertised as "276hp, honest mate."

Everyone knows the R34 chucks out 320hp. Everyone knows the 22B Impreza was 300hp (for example). The Lancer Evo8 FQ-300? 300PS (as the name hints). And so on. But they all say "276hp" (well, 280PS, but you know what I mean).

BTW as a reference, lap times for the 'Ring:

Caterham Superlight R: 8min 6.2sec
Ruf CTR II: 8min 15.0sec
Nissan R33 Skyline GT-R: 8min 28.1 sec*
Porsche 911 Carrera: 8min 38.4sec

(*a development R33 set a 7'59 lap - the first production car under 8 minutes - in 1995. However the car was different from the final production version, not least in having the 112mph speed limiter removed)

Yes, slow, underpowered, overweight...
 
Originally posted by agentlongwood
What is it with people and the nissan skyline. Dont get me wrong I think they're awsome but they just arent that fast. Out of the box they only run a 13.7 wich is mustang gt terriory but alot of people think that a skyline will walk all over a vette ZO6. I bought an 86 mustang for 500 bucks and spent 1500 on it makin it fast and it runs a 12.6. What is the fascination with the skyline all about?

1. Stock, the Skyline is pretty damned fast.
2. Stock, the Skyline is a damned good handler.
3. Stock, the Skyline is the most beautiful ugly car ever.

Believe it or not, there's more to fast cars than the dragstrip. I don't quite understand American's fascination with drag racing (as cool as it is), since it is a very small part of every day driving. You need more than straight line speed to race your way to work every day. That non-straight-line speed is something the Skyline excels at, and something that Mustang rather stinks at.
 
I read that the R34 can get into the 7 minute mark, but the exact time was not said. It also said the 996 TT does it in 8:24
 
Originally posted by Famine
Not entirely true.

The horsepower restriction (276hp not 280hp... but 276hp = 280PS, which is the unit the Japanese prefer to use) is as a result of a "Gentleman's Agreement" and is not enforced in law. Nothing is detuned, just advertised as "276hp, honest mate."

Everyone knows the R34 chucks out 320hp. Everyone knows the 22B Impreza was 300hp (for example). The Lancer Evo8 FQ-300? 300PS (as the name hints). And so on. But they all say "276hp" (well, 280PS, but you know what I mean).

BTW as a reference, lap times for the 'Ring:

Caterham Superlight R: 8min 6.2sec
Ruf CTR II: 8min 15.0sec
Nissan R33 Skyline GT-R: 8min 28.1 sec*
Porsche 911 Carrera: 8min 38.4sec

(*a development R33 set a 7'59 lap - the first production car under 8 minutes - in 1995. However the car was different from the final production version, not least in having the 112mph speed limiter removed)

Yes, slow, underpowered, overweight...

The GTR's infact ARE detuned. Here is how I can make that assessment.

1. The factory fuel and ignition maps are extremely conservative. The ignition timing factory is set around 15deg advanced. As the car begins to make boost it retards it sharply. This is done so that people (not too smart ones) can run lower octane fuels and not get detination. The fuel maps are set simuarly except when boost comes on the injector duty cycle has a limit of 85%.

2. Factory raising fuel pressure regulator. It has a very low pressure. Why I have no idea. The max pressure is 30psi.

3. Boost restrictor plug and solinoid. This one has me confused. Nissan decided one way to keep the power down was to restrict the boost with not only an electronic solinoid but also a small brass plug with a very small hole. The solinoid bleeds boost off much like any other boost controller but then they put a plug in the exit line to restrict the amount of bleed. It has a very small appeture about 2mm. Boost is about 7 psi factory.

While these 4 things do not seem like much here is what the gains are by modifying only these componants. I will use my car as an example

1. Nismo or any aftermarket raising rate fuel pressure regulator. Set to 3 bar (43psi) at idel and rasing to 5 bar (72psi) high boost. This increases the factory very small 444cc injectors out put to approx 500cc equivelent. This is needed to effectively wind the boost up.

2. Remove the boost restrictor plug. Only doing that the boost went to just under 1bar (14.6psi) to 13.75. Power at the wheels went from 164kw (219hp) to 184.5kw (247hp). That was the same dyno on the same day.

3. ECU work. My tuner then re-mapped my factory ecu's fuel and ignition load points and curves. At .95 bar or (13.75 psi) my power output went up to 225kw (302 hp) at the wheels.

4. I replaced the factory boost control soliniod with a Greedy Profec B and increased the boost to 1.05 bar (15.2 psi). Power increased to 247kw (331hp) at the wheels.

As you can see by altering the factory settings there was a substantial increase in power. Not only that but when driving around normally or cruising my fuel ecomony has increased.
So you last comment is without merit.

Oh and btw put a 112mph speed limiter on that Ruf CTR II and it's time would a lot slower. Not to metion that is not a mass produced car but a Porsche that is further tuned by another company. So given that the R33 which was tweaked by NISMO, which is simular to Ruf for Porsche and I think you have just muted you're other point.

Hey guys at the end of the day there are a lot better cars out there. I would never argue that. Most but not all are exotics, limited production, or ehanced by another firm and not by the orginal manufacturer. Either way who really cares aye.

The thing that will always get me and I've said it before. 99.9% of the people that diss or cut down a particular car have never owned, driven, or been in it. They base their assumptions on crap they read or see on the box. I can compare a 72 Corvette (owned), Stingray (owned), 69 Chevelle SS (owned), Full on Drag car (owned), Skyline GTR (owned), EVO (driven), WRX (driven), Viper RT/10 (been in), Ferrari Testarossa (been in) to mention a few because I have been in them, owned them or driven them.

Many of the comparasons I see on topics like this are just so off I honestly can't be bothered replying to them. But when a vehicle I love and own comes under unfounded and opinionated crap attacks it gets to me. :banghead:
 
Errr... two points...

First, wrong target. I love Skylines. The next car I will be buying is a Toyota Supra TT, and when SHE sprouts sprogs I'm going for an R34... The point I was making was if they ARE so slow, underpowered and overweight, why is it able to lap Nurburgring so close to a 600hp Porsche? But hey, you just keep on firing.

Secondly, it's "moot". "Mute" means silent, or unable to make noise. Moot means irrelevant (more-or-less).
 
Originally posted by RazorGTR

Not really. The owners of that GTR Pro-import drag R32 GTR paid a paultry $13,800 USD at auction in Japan for the car. When they bought it, it already had most of the gear in it. They have changed a fair bit since to make it proper drag car but it still ran low 10's as they bought it. It was making just on 850hp at the flywheel.
You just have to be lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

Razor,
You said "just" (like it was "only") and 850HP in the same sentence.
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Originally posted by Gil
Razor,
You said "just" (like it was "only") and 850HP in the same sentence.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Well just by changing only the engine management system and injectors the car's new power output went to 978 hp at the same boost level. They have since added a NOS fogger system, but it is not the big one. So now it is just over 1200hp.
Considering they are only using a single Garret T88/34D turbo charger that is rated at only 1000 hp that is not too bad.

I actually meant it as a rounded figure. The actual hp output was 848.6 hp.

Famine maybe you should choose your wording better. It is easy to mis-read what you had typed.
R34 chucks out
To chuck something means to throw. I believe you should have used "produces" or "makes".
Oh and English 101 is that way
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Yes, sarcasm doesn't come over terribly well when written down... :D The moot/mute thing was just a "future reference" thing, rather than an outright criticism. You're not American... :D I noticed you'd used it twice - now you've seen it, I'll edit it out... :D
 
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