What is your opinion of PS3 now?

[LaBounti]

Photorealistic does not mean real. the word realistic doesnt mean real. photorealistic is meticulous attention to realistic detail in the form of a painting or an image. Not the real thing. GT4 is photorealistic and a painting can be be photorealistic. Its like taking a photo of something real and recreating it with an original source via paint or polygons.

 

[Sprite]

Photorealistic does not mean real. the word realistic doesnt mean real. photorealistic is meticulous attention to realistic detail in the form of a painting or an image. Not the real thing. GT4 is photorealistic and a painting can be be photorealistic. Its like taking a photo of something real and recreating it with an original source via paint or polygons.

Ok i accept that The word Photorealistic has been used in a genral way to describe something that is an exact copy of the real world, but still my point stands that some developers are always striving to make leaps and bounds towards an exact copy of the world they see around them, and until computers become powerfull enough to re-create a simulation of the real world (ala Matrix style) then games wont be Realistic in the graphics, phisics and sound, plus we would need some sort of way of counicating with the game via a very good VR system like the plug system in the Matrix.

As for cinema quality qraphics we are on the way, but film will always be at the fore front of visiuals, because its not a real time video, its a pre rendered.

PS, this is a Photorealistic drawing of a Microscope done in Adobe Illustrator i think is wicked.

 

[Dave A]

To me GT4 is realistic, but not photorealistic. My personal view is that photrealistic means it looks real, like a photograph. Realistic means it resembles real like a painting and so on. Thats just my definition of it and how I think it should be , I'm not saying thats that and your wrong, I can't be arsed looking a the dictionary definition but I think LaBounti's is the one thats actually right.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

How come ps3 hasn't started advertising yet?! Omg, if they don't advertise I might not buy their product! Xbox is already advertising!!! What if I'm forced to buy an xbox!!!!! I won't do it....I just won't do it....

I'll kill myself!!!!

 

[LaBounti]

There is a thin line between photorealistic and photorealistic . I know many people think photo realistic means real, but the "istic" part takes away from real. Watching the MGS4 trailer on streaming video it looks better than many CGI movies I've seen but seeing it at a full 60fps it takes away from the "cinema feel" by not being 30fps. But I'll take 60 over 30 everytime.

Its still many many months off ads will start most likely during the Superbowl. My guess that is.

 

[Sctn2labor]

I like all the sub-processors. With a properly coded game, you could have a sub-processor for each task. Send Physics to A, Ragdoll to B, Disc Reading to C, Decompression to D, Special Renders to E, General AI to F, Special AI to G, etc.

Just from a technical standpoint, the amount of distribution for secondary and tertiary tasks you can do is amazing, freeing up the primary CPU for more important tasks.

 

[Nizar1980]

Movie like quality? Listen man, even a PS3 has it's limits, games are not going to look photo real for at least a couple of generations yet.

What limits are you talking about ? Is it you have already seen its limits ?
What we have seen is what the developers have achieved so far , but I bet no game yet exploits even 50% of the new hardware potential.

Riiight...and I suppose you want flying cars next year as well
You're going to be severly disappointed for a few generations to come.
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No , I assure you I won't. I trust Sony will deliver what we were promised.
Games like GT4 , Ace Combat4 ... were so close to utter photorealism. Even in Resident Evil Outbreak:File2 , the backgrounds looked almost real , despite the frustrating loading times. Now , with a console at least ten times faster , the sequels will definitly look good enough to pass for the real. They can do it even in the way they re-made Resident Evil on GC with static life-like looking backgrounds.

How can he rave about GT Visions, which for a PS3 game looks quite...average, yet not find MGS4 mind blowing?

It was made clear by KY that GTV is not GT5. It's "the GT series making head way on the PS3 hardware". However , in the new vid , you can see two car models , the Lancer and the Impreza , which are GT5 car models. And they looked so good that I heard someone thought they inserted real footage into the GTV trailer !!

I'm not sure which system is really more powerful in game terms. :

The Sony PS3 is definitly the more powerful , better console.
Why's that ? It pushes 2 TFLPOS compared to the Xbox360's 1TFLOPS.
Even an equivalent 3.2 or 4 ghz PC or console can't handle better graphics than the PS3 because the integrated Nvidia RSX GPU is far beyond anything else known to date. The consoles war is over !

Photorealistic does not mean real. the word realistic doesnt mean real. photorealistic is meticulous attention to realistic detail in the form of a painting or an image. Not the real thing.

Let's put it simple. Photorealistic fools you to think it's real.Can't differentiate b/w what's game and what's real, that's it.

 

[tha_con]

What limits are you talking about ? Is it you have already seen its limits ?
What we have seen is what the developers have achieved so far , but I bet no game yet exploits even 50% of the new hardware potential.

No , I assure you I won't. I trust Sony will deliver what we were promised.
Games like GT4 , Ace Combat4 ... were so close to utter photorealism. Even in Resident Evil Outbreak:File2 , the backgrounds looked almost real , despite the frustrating loading times. Now , with a console at least ten times faster , the sequels will definitly look good enough to pass for the real. They can do it even in the way they re-made Resident Evil on GC with static life-like looking backgrounds.

It was made clear by KY that GTV is not GT5. It's "the GT series making head way on the PS3 hardware". However , in the new vid , you can see two car models , the Lancer and the Impreza , which are GT5 car models. And they looked so good that I heard someone thought they inserted real footage into the GTV trailer !!

The Sony PS3 is definitly the more powerful , better console.
Why's that ? It pushes 2 TFLPOS compared to the Xbox360's 1TFLOPS.
Even an equivalent 3.2 or 4 ghz PC or console can't handle better graphics than the PS3 because the integrated Nvidia RSX GPU is far beyond anything else known to date. The consoles war is over !

Let's put it simple. Photorealistic fools you to think it's real.Can't differentiate b/w what's game and what's real, that's it.

First off, VGT was RX7 and Lancer IX, not an impreza etc.

And they looked good, but there has been nothing but cam footage released, so given the low quality, they look *better* than they would in person, because they get reduced in quality thus giving them a "natural" look.

Don't even start to talk about technical things you know nothing about. You're just babbling, it's horrible.

Sony promised "great visuals" they never promised "photo realism", just as they never EVER promised "toy story visuals" with the PS2. If you people continue to make up stupid lies etc, you'll ruin your own sense of sanity.

And I promise you some titles use MUCH more than 50% of the hardware and power of the PS3, however, they do not use it efficiently. When a developer say's "were using such and such a percent" they are using that many resources, however, later on in their development cycle, they may learn to be more efficient, and use the exact same amount of processing power, while achieving more. Right now I'm sure that developers are pretty inefficient and they are using more than "50%"...

And please, don't give me anything about me being a "fanboy"...if anyone knows me, it's more than likely code_kev, because we've argued more than any two people on this site combined (at least I think )

 

[Nizar1980]

Sony promised "great visuals" they never promised "photo realism", just as they never EVER promised "toy story visuals" with the PS2.

And please, don't give me anything about me being a "fanboy"...if anyone knows me, it's more than likely code_kev, because we've argued more than any two people on this site combined (at least I think )

Well I guess it's MS who pretended they could do Toy Story visuals with xbox1 , which never happened though. AAAnd did I call you "fanboy" ? No I did not. In fact , the word fanboy just doesn't fit your case. I'll invent a more suitable description later

 

[tha_con]

Considering I'm a die hard Sony fan...that will be pretty difficult.

 

[code_kev]

Well I guess it's MS who pretended they could do Toy Story visuals with xbox1 , which never happened though. AAAnd did I call you "fanboy" ? No I did not. In fact , the word fanboy just doesn't fit your case. I'll invent a more suitable description later

What a total arse.

Oh Nizar you old bean, your so funny...

 

[Dave A]

What limits are you talking about ? Is it you have already seen its limits ?
What we have seen is what the developers have achieved so far , but I bet no game yet exploits even 50% of the new hardware potential.

No , I assure you I won't. I trust Sony will deliver what we were promised.
Games like GT4 , Ace Combat4 ... were so close to utter photorealism. Even in Resident Evil Outbreak:File2 , the backgrounds looked almost real , despite the frustrating loading times. Now , with a console at least ten times faster , the sequels will definitly look good enough to pass for the real. They can do it even in the way they re-made Resident Evil on GC with static life-like looking backgrounds.

It was made clear by KY that GTV is not GT5. It's "the GT series making head way on the PS3 hardware". However , in the new vid , you can see two car models , the Lancer and the Impreza , which are GT5 car models. And they looked so good that I heard someone thought they inserted real footage into the GTV trailer !!

The Sony PS3 is definitly the more powerful , better console.
Why's that ? It pushes 2 TFLPOS compared to the Xbox360's 1TFLOPS.
Even an equivalent 3.2 or 4 ghz PC or console can't handle better graphics than the PS3 because the integrated Nvidia RSX GPU is far beyond anything else known to date. The consoles war is over !

Let's put it simple. Photorealistic fools you to think it's real.Can't differentiate b/w what's game and what's real, that's it.

I could pick a good number of holes in this, 1st off you don't need to see a computers limits to know they're there and roughly what they will be. I don't exopect to see a single PS3 game and think, damn is that real.

GT4 is realistic, the models are accurate, the textures are good, but it's nothing close to what I see parked outside on my street.

And don't even start this PS3 is twice as powerful as the XB360 crap, yes it's more powerful but in gaming terms it's very close what the two consoles can do. The XB360 is better than the PS3 in other ways, TFLOPS do not make a console on their own, they are meerly a single aspect of it's performance.

Photorealistic does not mean it looks like real life, the definition is more along the lines of resembles real life, thats why you could look at GT4 and say thats photosrealistic, lets face it, the graphics are good they use the righ shapes and textures but if you get confused between GT4 and a real race you need your eyes checking.

And Tha_Con, I think the most arguing came from Me, Code and CobraGT when he frequented these boards.

 

[Pebb]

Now that all of these new trailers have been released in the last month or so, all closely resembling the quality of Killzone that was so heavily disputed (along side other titles like Formula One Racing, Fight Night, and Motorstorm) what is your opinion now? Do you feel better about PS3? Or worse? Or have you remained the same with your opinon?

Personally, I feel as though sony has proved their worth, and it has nothing to do with their hardware.

They have provided devlopers with amazing development tools, and it is showing, because all of these games we've seen look BETTER than most of the technical demonstrations that we saw at E3. That speaks more than any of the games themsevles IMO.

Also, games like DMC4 and MGS4 look STUNNING, running in engine, etc et, yet people still have their doubts about "in game" which is exactly the same as in engine. What are your thoughts about this?

Discuss

They are the same lush as Kill Zone, the graphics can go futher I expect. And I knew PS3 would be able to do CGI goodness not in pre-render mode but in real time.

 

[Swift]

I think we're finally getting to the point where we can play the great intros that were on the PS1(Tekken, Soul Blade) in real time. Good stuff. And it only took 10 years. That's really pretty quick if you think about it.

 

[smellysocks12]

The PS3 is still on my to-buy-list... not at release, I'll wait until my wallet is ready for it.




The Nintendo console with its funky controller just recently got my attention as well.... looks really cool.

 

[Nizar1980]

What a total arse.

Oh Nizar you old bean, your so funny...

If I were you I'd rather shut up than talk crap like that.

 

[Nizar1980]

you don't need to see a computers limits to know they're there and roughly what they will be.

Ofcourse there are limits , but we haven't seen them sofar. You can never expect what to get from the new-gen until delivered.

 

[code_kev]

If I were you I'd rather shut up than talk crap like that.

But your not me. So ner.

Ofcourse there are limits , but we haven't seen them sofar. You can never expect what to get from the new-gen until delivered.

You don't have this attitude towards the xbox 360...strange that. Infact you rather blindly have already decided which is better, which means you must have a time machine to play them both, as I know you wouldn't be stupid enough to judge two machines before they come out, right? Right?

 

[Nizar1980]

You don't have this attitude towards the xbox 360...strange that. Infact you rather blindly have already decided which is better, which means you must have a time machine to play them both, as I know you wouldn't be stupid enough to judge two machines before they come out, right? Right?

I don't need a time machine to judge the PS3 vs Xbox360.I have a sixth sense , lol. It's just based on MY previous experience , I feel xbox360 is going to be like xbox 1.1 and eventually horribly fails to keep up with PS3.
By the way , xbox360 fanboys , ....EAT THIS.

Peter Moore: Pre E3 2005 in an interview with GameInformer

" The Xbox360 is hands down the most powerful next generation console "

Peter Moore: Post E3 2005

" Power doesn't really matter, its all about the games

Peter Moore: Pre TGS

" We have the greatest games of any next generation system! "

Peter Moore: Post TGS

" Technically the technicals of the technical are not that technical. But lets not get technical about the technology of these two systems. Technically its up to the technicians of the developers who develop the technology. "

Bwwahahahahahahahahahaha makes my day !

 

[code_kev]

Nizar, you moan at the "360 fanboys", but you do realise that you come across as a raving fanboy your self right? In your eyes the 360 has failed before it's even come out, you've allready made up your mind, "It's not made by Sony, I hate it". Your previous experience means nothing, and if anything, the xbox was a very good first console, with many many fun games. I'm guessing you don't own one.
The 360 looks great man, the games look fun, the graphics look great, and it has some nifty little features. The PS3 also looks great, it's just still quite far off. If we go by previous experience, both machines will be great and you know it.

Eat this? Who gives a crap what that guy says? How does that effect anything?

 

[Nizar1980]

I owned an xbox. I was mislead by the MS hype and bought one. At the very minute I turned on the box I realised MS aren't console geniuses and never knew how to make consoles that customers might like. I remember like I owned Halo1 , Splinter Cell , and PGR1. None of that trash impressed me anyways. So you know what happened ? I ended up selling my Xbox to buy more PS2 games.......THE END
If I still had an Xbox , would I have enjoyed games like GT4 , DMC3 ,RE OUTBREAK ,Pro Evolution 5 , San Andreas ????? Nope , I've made the right decision getting rid of MS's crap. Yes , I recognize I'm a Sony fanboy and I'm proud of it.
And Peter Moore is the lying "tongue" of MS.

 

[code_kev]

I owned an xbox. I was mislead by the MS hype and bought one. At the very minute I turned on the box I realised MS aren't console geniuses and never knew how to make consoles that customers might like.

What a sad story, it's as if Microsoft MISLEAD and DECIEVED you. How terrible. *sniff*. Sony are the ray of light, the saviours, they never lie, hype, or over price. Sony can do no wrong...ev0r...Hardly. They are just as bad as everyone else.

I like my xbox, alot of people like their xbox's, infact I like it more then my PS2 it has to be said. The modability, the games, online stuff etc, it's a neat package.

I remember like I owned Halo1 , Splinter Cell , and PGR1. None of that trash impressed me anyways. So you know what happened ? I ended up selling my Xbox to buy more PS2 games.......THE END

So you judged it on some first gen titles? Smart. Halo was a great game, Splinter Cell was also a very very good game, and PGR 1 was ok. Hardly trash, even now they remain playable games, just slightly dated.....THE END!!1!!

If I still had an Xbox , would I have enjoyed games like GT4 , DMC3 ,RE OUTBREAK ,Pro Evolution 5 , San Andreas ????? Nope ,

Well yes...Pro Evo 5 and San Andreas are both on the xbox, and not having an xbox means you miss out on stuff like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden, Rally sport challenge 2, Top Spin etc. I own both, so I simply miss nothing. I get to play Ninja Gaiden, DMC 3, GT4, Ico, Halo 2 etc. And why mention RE outbreak, hardly a first class game.

I've made the right decision getting rid of MS's crap. Yes , I recognize I'm a Sony fanboy and I'm proud of it.

I really don't understand this mentality. How can you be proud to be utterly biased? Drop the "sony RULZ" attitude, and just enjoy games, it's so much more fun.

This generation I think MS made the best machine, next generation I may think Sony made the best machine.

And Peter Moore is the lying "tongue" of MS.

Emotion engine. Oops!

What a long post...argg!

My opinion on the PS3 hasn't changed, I need to play one first!

 

[Dave A]

Kev that post's spot on.

 

[Swift]

Kev that post's spot on.

Yep have to agree.

The reason I don't own an Xbox is mainly finances as I'd love to play NFL2k5 with my friends across the country. The main and honestly only advantage that the xbox has is the very stable online system. The hardrive advantage is cool, but it's debatable if it makes it "better" then a PS2.

Anyway, I think the PS3 is going to be an incredible machine. Better then the Xbox 360. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'll buy one on launch day, now. But, only if it comes with a free coupon for some frozen yogurt.

 

[LaBounti]

If Warhawk is a launch title I'm quitting my job and camping with the other diehard geeks outside my local EBgames......

I don't have to play either system to know what i want. I never played Genisis, SNES, PS1, PS2, Xbox or PSP before buying them. I didnt buy Genisis or SNES where would a 12 year old get that kinda cash i was 17 when PS1 came out. I did not get an XB until 03 and i didnt miss anything. If i dont get Xbox 360 i dont think I'll miss anything other than ElderScrolls IV, But thats coming to PC like many XB360 games thanks to XNA.

Open GL ES 2.0 owns Directx.

 

[Blackbird.]

My opinon hasn't changed on Killzone 2 although they said it was NOT the exact gameplay it will be but it's damn near it and to mention no CG was involved.

 

[slackbladder]

I was a little disappointed not to hear a launch date for the PS3. I guess Sony are still working out the logistics for production etc. Perhaps they're working out how to make it cheaper.

My opinion of the PS3 hasn't changed after the TGS, I have always intended to get one and I will. (It would have been great to see some PS3's playable though).But then I'm as much of a new technology nut as a gaming nut (perhaps more so). I'm still getting the 360 and I know I will enjoy it. But it's never really occured to me which one is better. I just want to play games. Still for those who can't afford both (possibly the majority) then perhaps it is an issue.

Maybe the idea that the console they have chosen is 'worse' than a rival one is so unimaginably terrifying they need to take sides. Well, I don't get it. There's far too much crap in the world to worry about 'crappy' Microsoft or 'crappy' Sony. All that I consider is avoiding the crappy games that do exist on all platforms.

 

[kinigitt]

I'll buy one on launch day, now. But, only if it comes with a free coupon for some frozen yogurt.

-the ps3 will be powerful! that's good.

-oooooooh!

-but cursed. that's bad.

-ohh...

-but it comes with a frozen yogurt. I call it frogurt! that's good!

-aaaahhhhhhh!

 

[James2097]

I'm really surprised that someone from Guerilla hasn't just come out and definatively said they can (or can't) do Killzone's graphics for real. Yay or nay. Considering the controversy about it, they need to shut up the fanboys one way or another... I think they're enjoying the hoohah as they're quietly confident...

Personally, after seeing MGS4 and the start of the vision GT vid (namely the RX7 and the Lancer) I've got no doubts that PS3 can happily push whatever visuals were shown at E3. It was basically proven.
Maybe people need to start realising just how cool the next gen will really be... and not always compare the visuals to their pre-conceived notion of what a new console can/'t do, which doesn't really mean crap. People are assuming Sony have been bullcrapping on little more than a hunch, one that isn't at all informed. Unless we understand all the ins and outs of the PS3 to a crazy degree (only sony/nvidia engineers do) then all we can really do is be cautiously optimistic.

The funny thing is that some people will still feel that Sony came across as liars even once the PS3 comes out and all the E3 stuff is validated. In the media (especially on the net) many geeks have associated Sony with bull****ting to a really stupid degree. In the PS3's case I think Sony have shown they were telling the truth this time. Well... unless they make everyone program games in java.