What Should I Get?

Most of the time, it is considering the time frame of cars he's looking at. Not all American cars were built with God's LS & Modular V8s like your Trans-Am. :rolleyes:

Third gens and LT1 4th gens are very much in the time frame/price range he's looking at and similar to my car.

OP isn't looking for a car. He's looking for validation of his choices.

May want to take a look at the thread title again, mate :rolleyes:
 
Third gens and LT1 4th gens are very much in the time frame/price range he's looking at and similar to my car.
They didn't call them turd gens. for nothing. LT1 wouldn't be a terrible choice, but have their fair share of shoddy owners.
May want to take a look at the thread title again, mate :rolleyes:
May want to look through the actual thread, mate.
Hey guys. I've been looking for a first car lately, and I'm not sure what I should get. I want something pretty nice that I can drive around for a while, and get some experience in, until I can get something I really love. I want something that not everyone has, but not obscure either. I also don't want to have to throw a whole bunch of money into it. My budget would probably be around $5000 at this point.
Usual "What car/first car" introduction. Sets a guideline of what he wants.

Gets the best first car advice you're going to get.
First car? Get something reliable, easy to work on and easy to drive.

If you want a car I'd be looking at something like a Honda Civic or Accord, Subaru Impreza or Toyota Corolla. They are generally very reliable, fairly inexpensive to buy and they will give you the experience you need so you can buy something bigger and better later on.

What does he do?
I love cars and I wouldn't mind working on them once in a while. It would give me a lot of experience. I just don't want a complete restoration project I'd have to spend a whole bunch of money on.

Besides, I'd rather have an unreliable American car, rather than an ugly Civic or Corolla any day.
Throws it out the window and states he would rather have an unreliable car than a Japanese car. LOL, why state you don't want to throw a bunch of money in it, then?

He wants a car that he can drive for a while, a car he can learn to drive in until he can get something he wants, & doesn't want to sink money into, and yet doesn't want the cars that actually fit those descriptions. This kid doesn't want a first car to drive before he gets something he loves. He's like every other teenager & just wants to skip right to the dream car. He's not asking for first car advice, he wants justification for his desire to have an American sports car as his first car.

I've been here nearly 10 years, man. I & everyone else have seen this same thread countless times.
 
They didn't call them turd gens. for nothing. LT1 wouldn't be a terrible choice, but have their fair share of shoddy owners.

As is the case of nearly all 20+ year old affordable sports cars (regardless of make), most you see for sale are beaten to death or riced to hell. Nearly all cars under this category (yes even the holy Miata) are likely to be extremely unreliable given the lack of proper maintenance, not just 'turd' gens.

LT1's are GREAT first cars. Cheap, reliable if you can find an unmolested one, plenty of power but not too much to get you in trouble, vast aftermarket part availability and better MPG than an M3 of the same era.

May want to look through the actual thread, mate.

Usual "What car/first car" introduction. Sets a guideline of what he wants.

Gets the best first car advice you're going to get.


What does he do?

Throws it out the window and states he would rather have an unreliable car than a Japanese car. LOL, why state you don't want to throw a bunch of money in it, then?

So he wants a unique, fun, practical American car as his first car.... what an outrageous demand :odd:

He wants a car that he can drive for a while, a car he can learn to drive in until he can get something he wants, & doesn't want to sink money into, and yet doesn't want the cars that actually fit those descriptions. This kid doesn't want a first car to drive before he gets something he loves. He's like every other teenager & just wants to skip right to the dream car. He's not asking for first car advice, he wants justification for his desire to have an American sports car as his first car.

I did and one year later I'm even more sure of my decision. Might come as a surprise to a know-it-all 10 year veteran of GTPlanet, but not all teenagers are ignorant, stupid kids that drive around with their foot buried in the loud pedal. Those of us that do our research, save enough money and drive responsibly, completely deserve to own and drive whatever car we want.


Anyone one else getting Déjà vu
 
Throws it out the window and states he would rather have an unreliable car than a Japanese car. LOL, why state you don't want to throw a bunch of money in it, then?

I don't want to have to put money into restoration, like a bunch of rust repair (I understand it will probably require some), or completely rebuilding the engine. A few $100 repairs are fine with me. Still, no Japanese cars for me, EVER.

I agree with @Harry6784. As long as you take care of your vehicle, no matter what it is, it should serve you well. My dad's 89 Dodge lasted him forever, and it still runs around to this day, all because he took care of the truck. Well at least the engine anyways.
 
My dads truck might be a rust bucket now, but that's because of neglect.

Otherwise it runs perfect.
 
As is the case of nearly all 20+ year old affordable sports cars (regardless of make), most you see for sale are beaten to death or riced to hell. Nearly all cars under this category (yes even the holy Miata) are likely to be extremely unreliable given the lack of proper maintenance, not just 'turd' gens.
Except most cars don't gain a reputation or name for being a pile of crap. Miatas have a reputation of a fun, reliable, cheap car. A 3rd generation Camaro does not.
LT1's are GREAT first cars. Cheap, reliable if you can find an unmolested one, plenty of power but not too much to get you in trouble, vast aftermarket part availability and better MPG than an M3 of the same era.
Congratulations on parroting what I said, then.

So he wants a unique, fun, practical American car as his first car.... what an outrageous demand :odd:
Try re-reading what I quoted because asking for an American car wasn't the point of it. It's creating a list of desires for a first car & not wanting to dump money into it, immediately followed by a statement he would rather take an unreliable American car over a reliable Japanese one. Don't set requirements for people to offer suggestions with if you're going to ignore it because you think the car is ugly.

I did and one year later I'm even more sure of my decision. Might come as a surprise to a know-it-all 10 year veteran of GTPlanet, but not all teenagers are ignorant, stupid kids that drive around with their foot buried in the loud pedal. Those of us that do our research, save enough money and drive responsibly, completely deserve to own and drive whatever car we want.
Do you want to know why teenagers are all subjected to the thought of ignorant & stupid? Because of things like this showing you have a lack of reading comprehension that's carried over from the last thread.

I am not questioning whether or not teenagers should have a sports car; that's for another thread. I am pointing out that you don't come into this forum asking for first car advice, and then ignore the best advice given because it's not the car you want. You prove you're not really after first car advice, you just list what you want & hope we will stand behind it. @peobryant didn't because he made a sensible choice based on what the OP was looking for. If this kid had really wanted us to help him pick a cheap, American sports car as a first car, he should have just said that. There would still be a few who advice against it, but you would have more grounds to play your silly victim card that, "Not all teens are bad drivers".

Lastly, you seem to forget the debate you had with one of the mods that showed statistically, the majority of teenagers do not deserve to drive and own whatever they want. For however responsible you say you are, there are 9 other teenagers who aren't that validates people's first thoughts to doubt teenagers altogether.
Dream cars? Yes because, Fox Fairmonts, Mavericks, and Camaros are dreams cars when none of them make hardly more power than your modern Corolla.
And here comes Slash posting his usual ignorance.

Sorry to break this to you & your unhealthy obsession with V8s & lots of power, but not everyone's dream car revolves around that. A dream car does not have to instantly mean 6-figure car, either. When I was younger, my dream car to own was an E36 M3 because in my mind, it was the closest one I could think of affording. It was my ideal first car.
I don't want to have to put money into restoration, like a bunch of rust repair (I understand it will probably require some), or completely rebuilding the engine. A few $100 repairs are fine with me. Still, no Japanese cars for me, EVER.
An unreliable car is going to be more than a few $100s in repairs to have the term, unreliable tied to it. What you described is routine maintenance costs you are hopefully accounting for in your decision.

If you don't want a Japanese car, that's fine, but understand what you're looking for in a first car is going to be noticeably trickier to find. They aren't first recommendations for giggles. They're cheap and reliable which is what most people would like out of a first car on a tight budget.
 
An unreliable car is going to be more than a few $100s in repairs to have the term, unreliable tied to it. What you described is routine maintenance costs you are hopefully accounting for in your decision.

If you don't want a Japanese car, that's fine, but understand what you're looking for in a first car is going to be noticeably trickier to find. They aren't first recommendations for giggles. They're cheap and reliable which is what most people would like out of a first car on a tight budget.

Haven't we already proved that not ALL American cars are unreliable? Just like not all Japanese cars are reliable. Nothing is perfect.

I understand that what I want will be a little harder to find, but I really have no problem with it. If I want something that will be really easy to find, I may as well go buy a Corolla or a Civic. And I have already given reasons for not wanting something like that.

And here comes Slash posting his usual ignorance.

Sorry to break this to you & your unhealthy obsession with V8s & lots of power, but not everyone's dream car revolves around that. A dream car does not have to instantly mean 6-figure car, either. When I was younger, my dream car to own was an E36 M3 because in my mind, it was the closest one I could think of affording. It was my ideal first car.

He didn't say everyone's dream car had to be a Mustang or Camaro. He was saying that they are more of a dream car than a Corolla. Who in their right mind would rather own a Corolla over a Mustang or Camaro?
 
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A dream car does not have to instantly mean 6-figure car, either.

Thank you for proving my point.

A lot of people don't attribute dream cars to being these:

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I was being sarcastic.
 
If I repost this one more time, I'll probably get banned ;), but:

1996-2007 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable-

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You can easily pick one up in great condition for around US $1500-4000. Despite what you may have read, these cars actually handle fairly well for what they are, especially with better tires. Power is adequate with the more common Vulcan V6, plentiful with the higher output but less common Duratec V6. These cars never came with a manual transmission, only a 4-speed automatic which is a bit on the fragile side, so pay close attention to how the transmission shifts if you decide to test drive one. Other trouble spots are the factory coolant tank in the 96-02's develops cracks in it after while; OEM replacements run about $60. Don't even bother with the cheap Chinese aftermarket tank which will more than likely fail in just a few months. Also, change the coolant in the Vulcan engine at no longer of an interval than every 2 years; it is infamous for rust in the cooling system which can lead to very bad things. Finally, watch out if the rear of the car is sagging, that means the struts/springs are shot and replacement is apparently very expensive. If anybody asks why I am a strong supporter of this car, I've been the proud owner of one for over eight years with little trouble. 👍 The only non-maintenance items I've had to change out were the fuel pump (very expensive :ouch:, but I'm fairly confident the Motorcraft replacement unit is not made in China) and the mentioned coolant tank.
 
Except most cars don't gain a reputation or name for being a pile of crap. Miatas have a reputation of a fun, reliable, cheap car. A 3rd generation Camaro does not.

Says who? According you most old American cars are unreliable pieces of garbage and you get all defensive when someone suggests otherwise.


Try re-reading what I quoted because asking for an American car wasn't the point of it. It's creating a list of desires for a first car & not wanting to dump money into it, immediately followed by a statement he would rather take an unreliable American car over a reliable Japanese one. Don't set requirements for people to offer suggestions with if you're going to ignore it because you think the car is ugly.


Do you want to know why teenagers are all subjected to the thought of ignorant & stupid? Because of things like this showing you have a lack of reading comprehension that's carried over from the last thread.

I am not questioning whether or not teenagers should have a sports car; that's for another thread. I am pointing out that you don't come into this forum asking for first car advice, and then ignore the best advice given because it's not the car you want. You prove you're not really after first car advice, you just list what you want & hope we will stand behind it. @peobryant didn't because he made a sensible choice based on what the OP was looking for. If this kid had really wanted us to help him pick a cheap, American sports car as a first car, he should have just said that. There would still be a few who advice against it, but you would have more grounds to play your silly victim card that, "Not all teens are bad drivers".

Lastly, you seem to forget the debate you had with one of the mods that showed statistically, the majority of teenagers do not deserve to drive and own whatever they want. For however responsible you say you are, there are 9 other teenagers who aren't that validates people's first thoughts to doubt teenagers altogether.

The amount of generalization and bias in this statement is nearly troll worthy.

If this kid had really wanted us to help him pick a cheap, American sports car as a first car, he should have just said that.

May I direct you to the first posts in this thread:

Bc4
Does it have to be american?
American? Yes.
American muscle is what would be the best.


And here comes Slash posting his usual ignorance.

Sorry to break this to you & your unhealthy obsession with V8s & lots of power, but not everyone's dream car revolves around that. A dream car does not have to instantly mean 6-figure car, either. When I was younger, my dream car to own was an E36 M3 because in my mind, it was the closest one I could think of affording. It was my ideal first car.

An unreliable car is going to be more than a few $100s in repairs to have the term, unreliable tied to it. What you described is routine maintenance costs you are hopefully accounting for in your decision.

You do realize Slash wasn't describing his own dream cars...
 
Says who? According you most old American cars are unreliable pieces of garbage and you get all defensive when someone suggests otherwise.

There is some truth to that, but most of them weren't all that bad if you took care of them and kept them out of the rust belt.

Once you replace all the crappy stuff the factory did with better quality parts as intended to be, they are quite ok as far as reliability is concerned.

Plus, easy to fix, parts are cheap.

To put that into perspective, I can walk into a local junkyard and walk out with a complete beater Monza for $250-$300. Most of that is the engine. More so if it's running.

Just because it has a V8 engine does not mean it's fast, and it doesn't mean he's going to kill himself with it. Half of the cars he is looking at and considering is because of the styling and the cheap parts appeal. He loves the sound, feel and rumble of a V8. It doesn't need to be particularly fast. As long as it's covered in chrome, has that nice American rumble and parts are pretty cheap, he simply doesn't care what it is.

I don't think he cares if someones Focus 4 cylinder will beat it in a drag race. Maybe in the future with a different car he will, but not now. It's kind of like my friend. He was just like this and ended up with a 1978 LTD. He loved that car to hell and he didn't care if it was fast or particularly good handling, all he cared about was that it looked good, was something most people don't have/care about, and sounded nice.
 
I don't think anyone here is arguing that American cars are unreliable, we're all perfectly aware that if you maintain your vehicle just about anything can be reliable. But still, for the relatively low budget that the OP has I really don't think you can beat a Japanese car in terms of how much car you can get for the money.

I honestly can't think of an American car I would suggest over something like a Civic or Impreza. A Dodge Neon or Ford Focus are good cars for a beginning driver but it doesn't sound like that is what the OP wants.
 
@Slash if that is the case then he'll definitely learn how to work on his own vehicles. No matter how well the car has been maintained, a car that old will still require a lot of maintenance just from parts that wear out over time. So the the OP, if you want a car that old prepare to set aside a decent chunk of money for things like that.
 
@Slash if that is the case then he'll definitely learn how to work on his own vehicles. No matter how well the car has been maintained, a car that old will still require a lot of maintenance just from parts that wear out over time. So the the OP, if you want a car that old prepare to set aside a decent chunk of money for things like that.
I fully agree.
 
Haven't we already proved that not ALL American cars are unreliable? Just like not all Japanese cars are reliable. Nothing is perfect.
Nobody ever said that. But, the fact remains in general, Japanese cars are more reliable, and were far more reliable in the era you're looking at.
I understand that what I want will be a little harder to find, but I really have no problem with it. If I want something that will be really easy to find, I may as well go buy a Corolla or a Civic. And I have already given reasons for not wanting something like that.
All you've stated is you'll take an unreliable car over a ugly Japanese one. Hardly reasons given, though I'm sure it's along Slash's line of thinking.


He didn't say everyone's dream car had to be a Mustang or Camaro. He was saying that they are more of a dream car than a Corolla. Who in their right mind would rather own a Corolla over a Mustang or Camaro?
According to him, it was sarcasm which means, no they weren't.
Thank you for proving my point.

A lot of people don't attribute dream cars to being these:
I was being sarcastic.
You were being sarcastic in that they could not possibly be dream cars because the power outputs were no higher than a Corolla. "LOL, yep totally dream cars". You had no point at all. You acted as if I was ridiculous for stating such a thing. :rolleyes:
Says who? According you most old American cars are unreliable pieces of garbage and you get all defensive when someone suggests otherwise.
Ha, that's ironic. How butthurt did you get again when someone threw your car under the same scrutiny? :lol: This is common knowledge, kiddo. In general, American cars of the 80's were piles because there was no effort by the manufacturers. And it wasn't until the turn of the century that they finally got their act together.


The amount of generalization and bias in this statement is nearly troll worthy.
And the amount of stupid in this statement is expected. You're incapable of being able to argue a point which isn't unusual from you.

May I direct you to the first posts in this thread:
It doesn't change the first post itself.

You do realize Slash wasn't describing his own dream cars...
You do realize...no, you don't because reading comprehension is beyond you. I'd tell you to read the above, but I know that's beyond your means.
 
You were being sarcastic in that they could not possibly be dream cars because the power outputs were no higher than a Corolla. "LOL, yep totally dream cars". You had no point at all. You acted as if I was ridiculous for stating such a thing. :rolleyes:

People dream about Ferrari's and Lamborghini's. Not beaten up and forgotten about piles of 🤬 '70s cars.
 
Well, investing in a coffin sounds like a great idea.

>Implying he's going to kill himself by driving an older car.


Well I guess everyone who drives something older than 1999 should just pack their bags and go home then. :rolleyes:
 
People dream about Ferrari's and Lamborghini's. Not beaten up and forgotten about piles of 🤬 '70s cars.
And yet tell us again how awesome all pre-1985 F150s are again? You seem to hold them in high regard despite generally being nothing interesting. How about those ATVs in your avatar that died out, yet you seem completely fanatic about them?

This kid doesn't want something that leads to what he really wants. He wants that car now which was my entire point.
 
And yet tell us again how awesome all pre-1985 F150s are again? You seem to hold them in high regard despite generally being nothing interesting.

I do because I have been around them, I have seen what they are capable of first hand and nothing compares, at least for me.

That opinion changes based on a person. There's nothing wrong with that. Wether I agree or disagree with someones opinion on a specific vehicle is an entirely different matter.
 
I do because I have been around them, I have seen what they are capable of first hand and nothing compares, at least for me.

That opinion changes based on a person. There's nothing wrong with that. Wether I agree or disagree with someones opinion on a specific vehicle is an entirely different matter.
Well, here's some deja vu. Slash tells someone what they think is wrong (nobody thinks about 70's cars as dream cars), then reverts back to "Opinion" stance when called out on his own dream vehicles.

Congrats missing the rest of the post as well.
 
>Implying he's going to kill himself by driving an older car.


Well I guess everyone who drives something older than 1999 should just pack their bags and go home then. :rolleyes:

I'm saying 80's era and older American cars hold up like junk in an accident. And with how modern cars are built, the issue is just made worse in head-on and side impacts. Despite all their weight and steel, the engineering involved was pretty much junk in terms of chassis design and energy dissipation.

You need to get over your obsession with old Fords and realize the engineering behind most of them was very, very primitive at best. Especially when compared to the standards of the last two decades. This isn't opinion, it is fact. And claiming your opinion trumps fact based on your limited experiences in life is very, very naive.

Oh, and I can think of a few Corollas and Civics I'd take over damn near any Mustang or Camaro. Actually, any Camaro period.
 
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