what's a good first race car that isn't a honda or mazda?

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Well first question should be, what form of racing are you intrested in?
 
Personally, I'd say a Nissan Silvia. But if you're looking for a cheap car to throw around a track, a Peugeot would be a good choice...provided that it doesn't look like this:
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I suggest karting.

If you want speed then look at gearbox karts.

125cc gearbox like this. http://www.racecarsforsale.com/kartings/reynard-shifter-kart-125-cc-icc.html

0-60 in 3 seconds 120mph top speed, as fast as a motogp bike round a track.


250cc gearbox like so, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/250-F1-Gearbox-Kart-Rotax-257-Superkart-/220757111580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item336626331c

These do 0-60 in 2.5 secs reach 160mph and are as fast as a FORMULA 3 car round a track.


Both of these are cheaper to run and race a car by miles and much, much faster.

Here's a vid to wet your appetite, (from the isle of man tt)
 
A kart definitely 👍

A full circuit car? - an older Formula Ford 1600 or Formula Vee car will set you back from about £5k.
 
I've noticed you guys have all suggested cars that AREN'T SOLD IN AMERICA. yeah, a Peugeot 106 in SCCA racing (specifically Super Touring Over), would go over like a ton of bricks.

I'm not angry, it's just that, it helps to look where i'm from before you start blurting out UK-only cars.

and I've tried karting. I'm too heavy for one to actually go anywhere... fast...

so, basically, I'm only looking for things that cost $, not £.
 
It might also help somewhat if you outline the sort of racing you are wanting to do too :rolleyes:
 
The Porsche 944 is the choice of many entry level road racers in the USA.

A lot of folks also race VW Golfs, if you want to stoop to front drive.
 
How about a Volvo S60, or a 944 like Dotini suggested. Realistically, whether you like it or not, you're going to come across a Mazda sooner rather than later; the commercials aren't stretching the truth when they say Mazda's are some of the most raced cars in the world.

Get an RX-8 and go on about your day.
 
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How about a Volvo S60, or a 944 like Dotini suggested. Realistically, whether you like it or not, you're going to come across a Mazda sooner rather than later;

In my region there is a spec class for the 944...

I spoke to the driver of one, who had his reasons for not going the Miata route...
 
I'm not angry, it's just that, it helps to look where i'm from before you start blurting out UK-only cars..

Ugh...

Look where?

...you might want to actually specify where you are from if you want information specific you your location. The location information on your profile is complete gibberish, I can only assume you have it there because you think it sounds cool. Meanwhile you want people to consider your location before they give you advice? How are the supposed to do that, scour every post you have ever made? IP trace?

Your attitude annoys me, you post a thread asking for ideas and answers, you don't give anyone anything to work with and reply with an arsey comment, because people aren't giving you the response you want. How about you actually do something yourself and actually post some usable criteria so people can stop guessing as to your needs.
 
Why don't you want a Miata, anyways? They're the perfect beginner race/track car. Quick, nimble, cheap, easy to work on, and tons of parts available for them.
 
Mitsubishi Lancer is a lovely car to start with, since some models/variants of the Lancer walk the twilight between the regular and sport cars. It has decent prices that around the range of a Civic or MX-5.

Then again, I do wonder why you shun a Honda or Mazda? (You trying some sort of unique approach in your premier day to race?)
 
Why don't you take that Porsche 911 Turbo of yours? Is it because you don't have it? Hmm?

If you REALLY hate Miatas for some irrational reason, then you could try either a Porsche 944 (non turbos) or a BMW E30 (no M3s). Don't even think about anything with more power than the standard one of those.

Really though, if you want a good first car to learn racing on, you only need to look at the Miata. It's not an accident that so many people race them.
 
A non-Evolution Lancer drives like middle-class dreck. Not much steering feel, neither terrible nor great in terms of handling... not really as much potential in the engine department as a Honda or a Nissan. The new Lancer Ralliarts are fine, but still don't handle any better than your typical front-drive Lancer... despite having near-Evo spec hardware.

What constitutes a good first racecar depends on where you want to race and what you want to race in. If you want to race in a stock series or autocross, then the double-wishbone Honda Civics are a very good choice. Free-revving and reliable engines, light bodies, a sophisticated suspension, a ton of readily available cheap upgrade parts and a big community of enthusiasts to learn tuning tricks from.

Failing that, whatever is second best in terms of race-able econoboxes depends on where you actually live. If you're in the US, you can pick up an SR20-equipped Nissan Sentra for pretty cheap. They're not perfect... older B13s have no suspension travel and woeful gearboxes, B14s aren't much better in terms of suspension travel and have a rear cart-axle, and B15s are heavy for the amount of engine they have... but a well set up B13 or B14 is a pretty good starter car. Suspension travel is not a big issue when you've upgraded to coil-overs and are driving on a racetrack. And if you want to go crazy, the SR20 has nearly as much potential as the bigger 2.5 in the Neon SRT4.

Then there's the Mazdaspeed Protege... available with a lightly tuned two liter turbo and a great stock suspension and LSD.... or the Dodge Neon ACR... or...

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You could also get a Subie... but they're heavier, faster and more complicated... with more stuff to break. And the older ones and non-STIs aren't as dynamically capable as you'd think.

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But if you're seriously looking at investing in a track-car, then a Miata should be at the top of your list. Fast enough (on track) to be interesting. Slow enough not to be deadly. And well mannered enough that when you do have your first off (and you will have one, if you're really trying), it won't be a huge one. If you're going for a newer NC, go for the facelift. The steering feel and suspension on the pre-facelift is rubbish in comparison.

Nissan Silvia/240sxs are available almost anywhere. You can get an older one for decent money, and they're well-balanced. Not quite as incisive as a Miata, but a good, forgiving "starter" sportscar, with many available modifications, both in terms of power and handling.
 
You won't be too heavy for gearbox races (asking as you arnt over 17 stone) and karts are much faster than anything else in this thread.
 
MR2 Spyder is a good one too if you want a Miata alternative. Lightweight and handles great. And since you are in the US, why not just get a used V8 Mustang?
 
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