Whats the correct way to overtake on the inside of a corner?

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Since the latest update, I am really struggling to keep my SR above a C and I often dont understand why I get a penalty. My biggest gripe is overtaking in a corner on the inside and getting the door closed (aka slams into me) by the outside driver, at which point I get a penalty.

So what are the exact rules for such a maneuver? When can the other driver close the door and when does he need to keep it open?
 
markvanhaze
getting the door closed (aka slams into me) by the outside driver
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If you're either beside them or slightly ahead then it's their own fault for closing the door. They probably don't even know that you're there because they don't look at their radar or at the red dots in the HUD. Usually these people then give you **** after the race is finished for "crashing them off track" :rolleyes:
 
What he said. Still since your SR is bad I'd refrain from trying such overtakes as they mainly pose danger of damaging the SR. In the lower SR tiers drivers are normally unaware on how to defend or whether they are actually defending. Better risk having worse DR and just being on their tail waiting for a mistake.
 
So if I am not right up beside him but slightly behind, then I should hit the brakes and let him close the door, correct? How well does the new update judge this, in your experience?
 
Easiest way is to get a good corner exit previous, get along side and really try on the brakes. Provided you're already along side you should be able to edge ahead before even turning in. The other guy has no excuse he CAN see you at this point, overtake made.
 
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Easiest way is to get a good corner exit previous, get along side and really try on the brakes. Provided you're already along side you should be able to edge ahead before even turning in. The other guy has no excuse he CAN see you at this point, overtake made.
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Unless he pulls his car on you, pushes you off the track, causing you slide away in the sand, then it takes you 10 seconds to recover, losing 8 positions. And he gets away with 2 sec penalty:nervous:
 
Ahh but you are on the inside of the corner.

Edit - after rereading, are you saying he will let you pass on the inside approach to the corner then pull in behind you and smash you off?
OMG some people must be meeting some horrific players doing stuff like that.
 
markvanhaze
So if I am not right up beside him but slightly behind, then I should hit the brakes and let him close the door, correct? How well does the new update judge this, in your experience?
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I rarely pass on corners except if the driver in front of me completely miss his turn (brake lately, etc...). If I'm on the inside, but slightly behind, usually I brake a little bit in advance to stay behind, I do not try to force the pass, but I try to stay close to put maximum pressure on the guy. Usually, after some corners like this, the pressure do the job (same for me, I drive worse when I'm the one under pressure haha)
 
markvanhaze
So if I am not right up beside him but slightly behind, then I should hit the brakes and let him close the door, correct? How well does the new update judge this, in your experience?
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Well there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to hold your position if you’re alongside before the turn in point, if they turn in on you that’s their problem. But if you’re interested in getting your SR up then you’re best only overtaking on the straights with slipstream as PD aren’t letting you breathe on people right now without getting a penalty.
 
markvanhaze
Since the latest update, I am really struggling to keep my SR above a C and I often dont understand why I get a penalty. My biggest gripe is overtaking in a corner on the inside and getting the door closed (aka slams into me) by the outside driver, at which point I get a penalty.

So what are the exact rules for such a maneuver? When can the other driver close the door and when does he need to keep it open?
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Just go flat out and lean into the other car to keep yourself on track. If you can lean enough that they exit the track at the same time then this is a bonus.
 
markvanhaze
Since the latest update, I am really struggling to keep my SR above a C and I often dont understand why I get a penalty. My biggest gripe is overtaking in a corner on the inside and getting the door closed (aka slams into me) by the outside driver, at which point I get a penalty.

So what are the exact rules for such a maneuver? When can the other driver close the door and when does he need to keep it open?
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Do you have any replays? We can give better tips

Are you dive bombing? Just because you can sling it in there does not mean that you should.

Robben
Just go flat out and lean into the other car to keep yourself on track. If you can lean enough that they exit the track at the same time then this is a bonus.
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Don't forget to brake check afterwards. Can't have those 🤬 trying to come back at you lol
 
markvanhaze
So if I am not right up beside him but slightly behind, then I should hit the brakes and let him close the door, correct? How well does the new update judge this, in your experience?
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I was a long time SR/B, occasionally jumping to A or dropping to C. The past 14 days I have been in S and most of that time at 99. I spent a couple of days adjusting how I drive (I said elsewhere that I now consider other cars as 'lava') and then working on implementing it. Now I just do this out of habit... a car swerves near me, I brake and swerve the other way... a car brakes in front of me, I brake hard and move to the side... if I'm following a car closely, I always make sure to brake early when a corner is approaching in case they brake harder than I expect or in a different spot... if someone is hassling behind and I think they will cause me trouble on a corner, I move over and let off so they pass me.... I never try and overtake on corners. Since then, I have not only maintained 99 SR but gained 6000 DR.

So to summarise... there is more to gain in the long term by being less aggressive in the short term.
 
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Robben
I was a long time SR/B, occasionally jumping to A or dropping to C. The past 14 days I have been in S and most of that time at 99. I spent a couple of days adjusting how I drive (I said elsewhere that I now consider other cars as 'lava') and then working on implementing it. Now I just do this out of habit... a car swerves near me, I brake and swerve the other way... a car brakes in front of me, I brake hard and move to the side... if I'm following a car closely, I always make sure to brake early when a corner is approaching in case they brake harder than I expect or in a different spot... if someone is hassling behind and I think they will cause me trouble on a corner, I move over and let off so they pass me.... I never try and overtake on corners. Since then, I have not only maintained 99 SR but gained 6000 DR.

So to summarise... there is more to gain in the long term by being less aggressive in the short term.
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That sounds like good advice. I will give that a go and in reference to @TheGeologist - im not dive bombing, I know what you mean but thats not the issue. I will try and deal with it as @Robben suggests, Keyword being: lava.
 
markvanhaze
That sounds like good advice. I will give that a go and in reference to @TheGeologist - im not dive bombing, I know what you mean but thats not the issue. I will try and deal with it as @Robben suggests, Keyword being: lava.
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Good luck :cheers: and yes :lol: lava is the mindset to keep! Other drivers may think you are crazy by the way you drive but it definitely works in the long run :)
 
At the beginning of every sport mode race I type the same thing: Please use radars and mirrors!!. But they rarely do. I often take advantage of someone leaving the door open and running a little wide, yet there's me, taking a nice clean inside line only for the other prat to turn sharply into me. It happened this morning, lap 5 at Brands, final corner. I had an epic race going from 9th, to 2nd on the last lap. On the straight before the last turn I got brilliant speed out of the penultimate corner and got along side (on the right) of his car. Final turn my nose is ahead, I know that because it said I was in 1st! And yet it happened - SLAM! I was sure he would have got a penalty but no. He finished just over a second ahead of me because of his stupid move.
 
I also tend to think that it's better to forget passing on the inside a corner. It always require also the other driver behave responsibly, which is not always the case. I could not make it clean enough recently, so got penalty. The system doesn't seem to apply rule that if you are next to the other car, say at least half car length, then you have right to attempt overtake. The car on the outside usually smashes into me as he tries to pass the corner in a tighter radius, than otherwise he would.
I think it maybe better idea to approach on the outside, brake a tad bit earlier, so keeping a good momentum thru the corner and focus on the exit rather than the shortest brake distance. The other driver defending the inside line will for sure wait till it is practically too late to brake, so you'll pass him on the exit. You turn from the outside to the inside, while he drops from the inside to the outside. Just pay extra attention when crossing each others racing lines :)
This works better for me.
 
It should be straight act - who gets positioned yourself to the inside of the corner, that should be allowed to hold it.

Depends on the corner angle and incoming one (if wide S, why not to stay, but...), defending car can keep to go from outside or better, reposition yourself behind and wait if other car will even keep yourself on the track - many times it's the late braking, that can result with crash if going to defensive, or simple returning position if repositioned behind.
 
Lebowski
At the beginning of every sport mode race I type the same thing: Please use radars and mirrors!!. But they rarely do. I often take advantage of someone leaving the door open and running a little wide, yet there's me, taking a nice clean inside line only for the other prat to turn sharply into me. It happened this morning, lap 5 at Brands, final corner. I had an epic race going from 9th, to 2nd on the last lap. On the straight before the last turn I got brilliant speed out of the penultimate corner and got along side (on the right) of his car. Final turn my nose is ahead, I know that because it said I was in 1st! And yet it happened - SLAM! I was sure he would have got a penalty but no. He finished just over a second ahead of me because of his stupid move.
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How familair it is. OK, I don't fight for the lead too often, but the intensity is the same even for p10 :banghead:
 
Lebowski
At the beginning of every sport mode race I type the same thing: Please use radars and mirrors!!. But they rarely do. I often take advantage of someone leaving the door open and running a little wide, yet there's me, taking a nice clean inside line only for the other prat to turn sharply into me. It happened this morning, lap 5 at Brands, final corner. I had an epic race going from 9th, to 2nd on the last lap. On the straight before the last turn I got brilliant speed out of the penultimate corner and got along side (on the right) of his car. Final turn my nose is ahead, I know that because it said I was in 1st! And yet it happened - SLAM! I was sure he would have got a penalty but no. He finished just over a second ahead of me because of his stupid move.
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Personally, I would just not go for that. Better to finish a good second than potentially get bumped off track and scrape 6th or 7th
 
Lebowski
At the beginning of every sport mode race I type the same thing: Please use radars and mirrors!!. But they rarely do. I often take advantage of someone leaving the door open and running a little wide, yet there's me, taking a nice clean inside line only for the other prat to turn sharply into me. It happened this morning, lap 5 at Brands, final corner. I had an epic race going from 9th, to 2nd on the last lap. On the straight before the last turn I got brilliant speed out of the penultimate corner and got along side (on the right) of his car. Final turn my nose is ahead, I know that because it said I was in 1st! And yet it happened - SLAM! I was sure he would have got a penalty but no. He finished just over a second ahead of me because of his stupid move.
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That is the story of my life in GTS but in my case I manage to get through and end up cashing in a juicy penalty. Anyway, lava it is.
 
Per race etiquette you only have right of way to the apex if you are overlapped with the outside car (unless they are so slow heading to the apex that you can cleanly pass on the inside without incident). From my own experience (I know others have had different accounts) when I cut to the inside with an overlap and the outside car rams me, I never receive a penalty. Even if they hit me so hard that they pit themselves into a wall.. even then, I have never received a penalty.

I think the system (and I've only ever reached Rank C) actually attributes blame based up lateral inertia from a collision. For this reason I think this is how dive bombers have exploited the SR system in the past. The SR system doesn't care about overlap so if you can place your car on the apex and get hit before you trail into the outside car then you could snow plow them off of the course without a penalty.

So conversely, as the outside driver. If someone would dive bomb me, I would just have to hold my race line, a car width from the inside as they entered and never steer in on them. If on the exit line, they scrub me off of the track, they get the penalty and not me.

The only time I received a penalty was because my entry speed was too fast and my exit line rubbed the outside driver halfway off of the track. Then I did rightfully receive a penalty.
 
If someone can turn across you and still hit the apex, your probably too far back to make the move. I'd honestly wait until you're up against A/S ranked (sportsmanship) drivers before risking those passes.

I personally spent a day just staying clean, upping my Sportsmanship ranking from C to A, then in no time S. It's even worth starting at the back of the grid and observing things for the first lap. If you're up against dirty drivers, half a dozen or more will take it each other out. With clean air you can then push on. I'd also recommend doing the longer races, even if you have the odd incident, you can usually put together 8-10 clean laps. This will quickly rank you up vs the 3-5 lappers where a lap or two can be wasted with reckless drivers.

As for general tips, I'd always try to stay tucked in behind a car in the twisty stuff. You can usually pressure them into a mistake or ensure you get a good slingshot to make a clean pass on the straight.
 
markvanhaze
Since the latest update, I am really struggling to keep my SR above a C and I often dont understand why I get a penalty. My biggest gripe is overtaking in a corner on the inside and getting the door closed (aka slams into me) by the outside driver, at which point I get a penalty.

So what are the exact rules for such a maneuver? When can the other driver close the door and when does he need to keep it open?
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All the info you´re after (and many other important and interesting one) may be found here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...our-on-gts-online-races.375408/#post-12231703
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...our-on-gts-online-races.375408/#post-12231703
This is about correct overtaking and correct behaviour on Racing... and Of course that GTS Penalization system has nothing to do with it....
 
markvanhaze
I wish but that's not my experience with penalties.
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Right, that's what others seem to feel as well. However half of the penalty footage I see posted, ignores all aspects of the overlap rule. So you have drivers coming in from the outside and inside with a car overlap, feeling entitled to take the apex and getting hit with a penalty when they ram the other car thinking that the other car "dive bombed" them or "closed the door". This confusion of fault bleeds into footage interpretation and general confusion over the penalty system.
 
IMO the best thing you can do, assuming you are close enough, would be to brake earlier and get on the throttle earlier to beat them with exit speed. Until you get around racers you actually trust trying to go side by side is dicey.
 
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