What's the Longest You've Spent Working On a Single Tune?

[Lambob]

approx 12 hours (spanned across 4 or 5 evenings) , on the 700pp Nissan GT-R 35TC, on the Nordchleife. I am very happy with my tune, for it works nearly identical on and offline. In fact in some rooms, it works better than offline. I would like to restart the tune to a Setting sheet B, to see if I can shave off another 5 seconds, apparently there is a dude online claiming to have done 5:48s with it, although I beat him 3 times yesterday, chilling out at 5:57s.

But for me, tuning a car isn't about laptimes per se, it is more about consistency and forgiving nature, and adrenaline inspiring stability through the Wippermann section at 190km+ /hr

I still have much to learn about taking a car to a higher top speed, for some reason, I rarely surpass 330km/hr anywhere, yet people catch/blow by me at 355km/hr on the straight, yet are 10s behind me the rest of the track.

I havent taken the car out on other tracks yet, I love the Nur too much. But it makes me wonder, if tuned to my liking on that track, will it behave nicely on all other tracks? I should find that out.

I am also spending a week so far on my first supercar from a year ago, a wing-less Murcielago that sticks to the nur with finesse.

I also enjoy taking neglected cars from the Garage, giving them my quick & dirty, basic Nur approved tune (2 minutes), and taking it for a good ride.

 

[Master_gamer438]

I havent run with USS guys since bf3 came out, but ive been on gt5 a few times since. who do you know of with fastest NASCAR Daytona solo? I'm always trying to get the fastest lap solo, I know it has nuttin to do with winning but a fast car is a well prepared car. Like CSL said, if you stop tuning you can start to forget and slack off. hopefully i'll have my ps3 fixed( need 30 doller piece) or have a new one by christmas.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I havent run with USS guys since bf3 came out, but ive been on gt5 a few times since. who do you know of with fastest NASCAR Daytona solo? I'm always trying to get the fastest lap solo, I know it has nuttin to do with winning but a fast car is a well prepared car. Like CSL said, if you stop tuning you can start to forget and slack off. hopefully i'll have my ps3 fixed( need 30 doller piece) or have a new one by christmas.

Other than my personal best time of 41.524, I am unaware of a better solo online time but I am sure there are faster out there. I myself don't hold too much stock in being fastest in solo running at Daytona. Daytona is pretty much a crap shoot, as long as you can stay in the draft, you got a shot. The fastest car doesn't always win. Anyway, this is off topic, so I'm gonna end my part of our little discussion here. I've accepted your friend request on PSN so we'll race together sometime or maybe between the two of us, we can come up with a 'super tune', lol.

 

[Master_gamer438]

super tune sounds good lol, was looking on youtube, seen a guy post a 41.474 I believe, but the vid was so small it looked online solo, but I cudnt tell if it was offline or online, if it was online, then I need to get on my a game, if it was offline then well thats slow, my best offline was a 41.210, but offline dont mean s***. Anyway he was hittin the same speeds I do, so I might need to try a few more lines b 4 I tweak anything again

 

[Motor City Hami]

Because "This is a mediocre tune, I didn't want to waste more than 30 minutes on it, but it's better than stock." isn't the manifesto any tuner should be building their garage on.

Maybe that was fine a year ago, when people just wanted to 'get started' the game was new, and people just wanted improvements over the default setup so they could go faster. But now, any tuner whose goal is simply to be 'better than default' is not only wasting their time, but every person's time who ever tries that tune.

But that's just my .02
This isn't directed specifically at you Hami, just in general.

I know that you weren't directing those quotes to me, since I wasn't the one who made that quote. My opinion on this is that if it takes someone 3 months to perfect a tune, they're really just playing trial and error and not following a trusted tuning method. It shouldn't take months to perfect a car.

 

[EAO-HarleyMan]

Are you guys sure it was the tune that made the lap times go down or was it the time spent driving the same car over and over on the same track and finding the right line and braking point for that car. I know tuning a car can make it better but spending that much time on one car too me is crazy. I just put a quick tune on a car then run some laps with it. Then without changing the tune start shaving off lap times. The more laps I put on that car on a certain track I find the right line for that car and the right braking point for it. I am not bashing anyone that has the time or just wants to spend hours tuning, if thats your thing tune on brother tune on.

May the tuning gods be with you

Harley

 

[praiano63]

Are you guys sure it was the tune that made the lap times go down or was it the time spent driving the same car over and over on the same track and finding the right line and braking point for that car. I know tuning a car can make it better but spending that much time on one car too me is crazy. I just put a quick tune on a car then run some laps with it. Then without changing the tune start shaving off lap times. The more laps I put on that car on a certain track I find the right line for that car and the right braking point for it. I am not bashing anyone that has the time or just wants to spend hours tuning, if thats your thing tune on brother tune on.

May the tuning gods be with you

Harley

100% agree 👍 you're right my friend !!!

" if thats your thing tune on brother tune on."

><((((°>°°°°°°°°

 

[Master_gamer438]

Which makes sense but a oval is a oval, I will spend hundreds of hours on a single tune at daytona, lap after lap time wont change much, but a road course ill spend 8 to 12 hours on, anyone can make a faster then stock car for a road course in mins, but I feel a tuner can always make it faster after a hour or 2. And for my road tunes I dont go based off my hot lap, I go by average. Such as my 550PP Honda NSX Type R 02' will lap nurb in 6.46.000 time after time, if that was my fastest lap and my next few laps are slower there is something wrong not given me consistent times. Consistency wins.

 

[XDesperado67]

Can't tell you how long I've spent on any of my tunes. Some of them I'm very happy with and some are just okay as far as I'm concerned. However, I don't think any of them are perfect so I'm always looking at ways to improve them.

While getting to know a track will definitely improve your lap times, you'll eventually reach the limits of what your skill and the cars tune will allow. At that point the extra tenths your shaving off average lap times will be to the improvements to the tune.

Also a lot of times the improvements I make with a tune may not show up in any measurable improvements in lap times but will show up in the handling and ease of driving a given car.

If you look at the various tuning competitions that F.I.T.T. has run over that last few months you'll find a lot of cars that are very close performance wise in each contest. The potential for performance is there but the tunes ability to make that performance available to the drivers will generally spell the difference.

Speaking for myself I can't find the best setup to make that performance readily available to drivers in just a few minutes or even a couple of hours. I do have a general pattern to the way I tune and can get much improved performance from most cars in just a few minutes, but getting that great driving feel for a given car is what will eat up hours of my tuning time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Are you guys sure it was the tune that made the lap times go down or was it the time spent driving the same car over and over on the same track and finding the right line and braking point for that car. I know tuning a car can make it better but spending that much time on one car too me is crazy. I just put a quick tune on a car then run some laps with it. Then without changing the tune start shaving off lap times. The more laps I put on that car on a certain track I find the right line for that car and the right braking point for it. I am not bashing anyone that has the time or just wants to spend hours tuning, if thats your thing tune on brother tune on.

May the tuning gods be with you

Harley

Funny you should mention that because I've never seen it mentioned before and it's something I've been aware of in my own tuning efforts and try to compensate for. I will rarely spend more than 15-30 minutes on a given car in one session because I know if I do enough laps on the same tracks over and over, I can get gains from precision and repitition that can fool me into thinking the car is better when it isn't, I've just grown accustomed to its idiosynracies and I'm compensating for it in my driving.

So normally if I'm going to tune for say an hour I'll work on 2-3 cars and then put them away and look at them fresh another day. Coming back to take a fresh look is often as eye opening as anything else in tuning for me.

 

[Highlandor]

I know that you weren't directing those quotes to me, since I wasn't the one who made that quote. My opinion on this is that if it takes someone 3 months to perfect a tune, they're really just playing trial and error and not following a trusted tuning method. It shouldn't take months to perfect a car.

Agreed - apart from the fact that Polyphony keeps secretly changing the "physics" without telling everyone, or moving the goalposts by adding things to the game that affect setups i.e. ballast / power limiter etc etc...

A car is setup really well, do an update - gee........... er........... um. my car is **** ??

Yet it's the same car / setup that has been used and tried and tested for many, many evenings / races.

THANKS Polyphony 👎

Even worse when you continually race in an ongoing series, the regulations of the series don't change, but all of a sudden after update many cars in your garage for that series has changed (not good when I have 30-40 crs for some series) - Nice one Kaz you ****..

I then have to go through every car checking them to see what affects the update has had. That's just one series, I race in many and have many cars for each.

Checking 150+ cars after an update is seriously NOT funny.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Totally agree with you Highlander.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

super tune sounds good lol, was looking on youtube, seen a guy post a 41.474 I believe, but the vid was so small it looked online solo, but I cudnt tell if it was offline or online, if it was online, then I need to get on my a game, if it was offline then well thats slow, my best offline was a 41.210, but offline dont mean s***. Anyway he was hittin the same speeds I do, so I might need to try a few more lines b 4 I tweak anything again

You gotta make sure these guys claiming those fast times have tire wear on. If its off, you'll get better times. Caught a kid trying to bs me last week until I called him out. He was online, but he had tire wear off. Its off by default so it can be easily overlooked, but in his case, he tried to decieve me on purpose. Do you remember the guys nam on youtube. I know pretty much all the fast guys running NASCAR at Daytona.

 

[Master_gamer438]

no idea, and the vid was way to small on ps3 internet, but he close up of tire wear indicator which was on. Also cudnt see gas gauge or wat lap he ran it on. Usually if the hot lap is posted after 3rd lap I dont count it. I think I typed in fastest gt5 solo daytona in google search. EDIT* tried finding the vid, but no luck, i'll keep looking though EDIT* I found it http://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedGMV

 

[Hei]

i have over 25 hours in my ruf blackbird, i have it tuned for Wangan, it does 238 to 239 on ss tyres, and it does amazing drafts, its acceleration is crazy, and i'm still trying to get that car to be civil around the corners, keep tuning it, but its very good now, can turn well, and i drive it in a way that conserves my tyres, but if i get a little trigger happy, and get past a point in my tire wear, where it wont go in a straight line, still in love with that car, and nothing gets u on the edge of your seat like doing 230 in a turn sideways and to keep it going with a minimal loss of speed.

 

[CSLACR]

Agreed - apart from the fact that Polyphony keeps secretly changing the "physics" without telling everyone, or moving the goalposts by adding things to the game that affect setups i.e. ballast / power limiter etc etc...

A car is setup really well, do an update - gee........... er........... um. my car is **** ??

Yet it's the same car / setup that has been used and tried and tested for many, many evenings / races.

THANKS Polyphony 👎

Even worse when you continually race in an ongoing series, the regulations of the series don't change, but all of a sudden after update many cars in your garage for that series has changed (not good when I have 30-40 crs for some series) - Nice one Kaz you ****..

I then have to go through every car checking them to see what affects the update has had. That's just one series, I race in many and have many cars for each.

Checking 150+ cars after an update is seriously NOT funny.

What changed regarding tunes after updates?

 

[Lock2Lock]

Are you guys sure it was the tune that made the lap times go down or was it the time spent driving the same car over and over on the same track and finding the right line and braking point for that car. I know tuning a car can make it better but spending that much time on one car too me is crazy. I just put a quick tune on a car then run some laps with it. Then without changing the tune start shaving off lap times. The more laps I put on that car on a certain track I find the right line for that car and the right braking point for it. I am not bashing anyone that has the time or just wants to spend hours tuning, if thats your thing tune on brother tune on.

May the tuning gods be with you

Harley

I agree with you too... I am not in anyway a tuning expert i mostly guess on a tune and try it.. Everyone has their own way of tuning and their own driving style... There are only a few type of cars i am good at tuning like GT500 & Mitsubishi Lancers i make a mean tune for those lol got to love that AYC CONTROLLER... But one thing i can't stand is anyone that would rather talk trash about someone that either doesn't know how or isn't good at something instead of helping someone out

 

[Will27]

Agreed - apart from the fact that Polyphony keeps secretly changing the "physics" without telling everyone, or moving the goalposts by adding things to the game that affect setups i.e. ballast / power limiter etc etc...

A car is setup really well, do an update - gee........... er........... um. my car is **** ??

Yet it's the same car / setup that has been used and tried and tested for many, many evenings / races.

THANKS Polyphony 👎

Even worse when you continually race in an ongoing series, the regulations of the series don't change, but all of a sudden after update many cars in your garage for that series has changed (not good when I have 30-40 crs for some series) - Nice one Kaz you ****..

I then have to go through every car checking them to see what affects the update has had. That's just one series, I race in many and have many cars for each.

Checking 150+ cars after an update is seriously NOT funny.

This very much.

It took me months of on and off tuning on my 88C-V to crack the 5m20 barrier at the 'ring (Considering my driving that’s quite an achievement). Now I can’t even go around a corner in it

Some cars have barely changed at all, but others are now totally unpredictable.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

no idea, and the vid was way to small on ps3 internet, but he close up of tire wear indicator which was on. Also cudnt see gas gauge or wat lap he ran it on. Usually if the hot lap is posted after 3rd lap I dont count it. I think I typed in fastest gt5 solo daytona in google search. EDIT* tried finding the vid, but no luck, i'll keep looking though EDIT* I found it http://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedGMV

Not buying it herbie. Why you may ask, well because he was not alone on the track. He had a buddy on the track with him so they could have been in race mode with boost on so I'm calling bs on this. There is also a reason he didn't show the whole tv screen. Just another punk wanna be trying to bs everyone.

 

[shmogt]

Yes the changing of the physics thing is the most annoying thing ever. I have many cars tuned now and can not go and check them all. Last thing I want to do is make a tune than a update happens and someone try's it out and the car sucks. So far this happened once with my mini, but luckily someone told me its totally different and needs to be changed. Only good thing about this was I edited it a little and find it even better than how I remember the original one.

 

[CSLACR]

Other than my personal best time of 41.524, I am unaware of a better solo online time but I am sure there are faster out there. I myself don't hold too much stock in being fastest in solo running at Daytona. Daytona is pretty much a crap shoot, as long as you can stay in the draft, you got a shot. The fastest car doesn't always win. Anyway, this is off topic, so I'm gonna end my part of our little discussion here. I've accepted your friend request on PSN so we'll race together sometime or maybe between the two of us, we can come up with a 'super tune', lol.

super tune sounds good lol, was looking on youtube, seen a guy post a 41.474 I believe, but the vid was so small it looked online solo, but I cudnt tell if it was offline or online, if it was online, then I need to get on my a game, if it was offline then well thats slow, my best offline was a 41.210, but offline dont mean s***. Anyway he was hittin the same speeds I do, so I might need to try a few more lines b 4 I tweak anything again

Not buying it herbie. Why you may ask, well because he was not alone on the track. He had a buddy on the track with him so they could have been in race mode with boost on so I'm calling bs on this. There is also a reason he didn't show the whole tv screen. Just another punk wanna be trying to bs everyone.

First off, boost would add more then a measly .050.

Second off, if you can run within .050, why would a time .050 faster be so hard to believe?
Only 1 person in the world can find nobody faster then them.

 

[saidaouita]

Impreza 22B. still working on it now, have done since GT5 launched and in GT4. it works pretty well as is, but i just know it has more to give.........restarted many times!

but just love the Scoobies

No doubt the 22B is one of my favorite cars. Sent ya a pm! Interested in hearing what you've came up with so far.

 

[Master_gamer438]

if thats the case he hits the same speeds I do, i have raced with both these guys, I believe Tiny has my setup, but mayb he gave it to Cody, but .050 is understandable, not 1/10th where he does not run any slower or faster then me. I know Cody does have a wheel as he has pushed me b 4 but like you said why is the screen cutoff. Plus can you see wat lap hes on? he onli needs to do mayb 15 laps, pit, take no fuel and I cud run those times. I dont understand why you would want to cut the screen picture off though

 

[Johnnypenso]

In the video he came out of the pits and his lap and he's on his 40 something lap. You can't see either tire wear (on or off) nor fuel consumption, that part of the screen is blocked out. Whether the run is legit or not I don't know, but if you can't see tire wear and fuel load then you have to go on the assumption it's left out of the screen for a reason.

So if tire wear and a full fuel load are part of the fast lap title then this guy is definitely disqualified. 👎

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

if thats the case he hits the same speeds I do, i have raced with both these guys, I believe Tiny has my setup, but mayb he gave it to Cody, but .050 is understandable, not 1/10th where he does not run any slower or faster then me. I know Cody does have a wheel as he has pushed me b 4 but like you said why is the screen cutoff. Plus can you see wat lap hes on? he onli needs to do mayb 15 laps, pit, take no fuel and I cud run those times. I dont understand why you would want to cut the screen picture off though

The screen is cutoff because he is obviously hiding something. If you look at the video, it is not even a normal aspect video. No video I know of is shot in that aspect ratio. He obviously edited the bars on the side to hide something. I've shot enough video and made enough internet video to know this. Anyway, not saying mine nor herbie's time can't be beat, but that video doesn't prove anything. Its bs, in my opinion.

EDIT Just watched the video again. He obviously walks over to a different tv to show tire wear. I know exactly what he did now. A complete scam. Watch the video carefully and you will see what I'm talking about.

 

[Master_gamer438]

Agreed. I just cant see as PS3 runs all video on internet at 240p to 480p

 

[Master_gamer438]

@ Johnny- Of course, usually in order for a hot lap to count most ppl agree on no driving aids except ABS optional ( I usually run 1), tire wear on, fuel on, real grip reduction, no boost and within 3 laps. This is because after 10 laps on Daytona you allready down to 3/4 of fuel left so you run faster. Also 3 laps is about enough time for tires to heat up to max temp (though I wish we had a temp gauge like the tire load indicator to adjust camber and toe better).

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@ Johnny- Of course, usually in order for a hot lap to count most ppl agree on no driving aids except ABS optional ( I usually run 1), tire wear on, fuel on, real grip reduction, no boost and within 3 laps. This is because after 10 laps on Daytona you allready down to 3/4 of fuel left so you run faster. Also 3 laps is about enough time for tires to heat up to max temp (though I wish we had a temp gauge like the tire load indicator to adjust camber and toe better).

I have to disagree with you on the number of laps. Doing it the honest way like you said, l have come very close to beating my personal best on lap 5. Anything much after that tho and the tire wear cancels out the lost fuel advantage..follow me there. So me personally, I would say anything up to lap 6. Just the conclusion I've come to after literally hundreds and hundreds of hours of testing there. And yes, I have no life, lol. I am willing to bet my grandma's underware that I have spent more time testing NASCAR cars at this track than probably anyone else, lmao.

 

[Master_gamer438]

IDK, but i can run 41.4s by lap 5 due to fuel, and I easly have 400 hours testing, 200 plus on 50 lap setups and stopped counting after 150 hours on the speed setup. I go 2 laps highline then hot lap on 3rd timed lap. Which is what he did in that video which leads me to believe hes got my setup or modified similar to mine and or he took my advice about 2 high line laps to build up speed.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well. in my opinion, you should be counting those laps herbie. The way I see it, anything you can do from start to finish should be counted. Like I said, tire wear will eventually cancel out the lost fuel advantage, usually after lap 6. My peak is between lap 3 and 5, depending on what setting I have tweaked. I don't see this as cheating or as an advantage in any way. If your getting your fastest lap on lap 5, count that as good herbie. Its legit the way I see it. Otherwise, might as well hot lap with tire wear off if you don't want any of the natural factors coming into play, see what I'm saying.