What's the point.?.?

[squeakD]

I have been having a great time with GT Academy. I've even suprised myself and got a few really good times (not top 10 worthy).., but still would be considered great times.

However.., yesterday I decided to start taking a look at the replays for the top 10 times in each event. WOW! The lines some people are taking to get those positions isn't really honorable IMO. I've seen some driving (that should) disqualify players who are making it into the top 10.

I've been grinding away to try and stay in either 1st or 2nd to those on my friend's list. Ah well.., I think I'll just back off on the grind and just focus on golding everything to get the cars.

Still a fun event though.., but not as fun as it could be with the way some are getting their positions.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Misleading thread, why are we here?
what is life?

thoughts....?

 

[squeakD]

Misleading thread, why are we here?
what is life?

thoughts....?

How is it misleading? I'm asking "what's the point" in this? Perhaps you're overthinking the title to the thread

 

[Ghoa$t]

I have been having a great time with GT Academy. I've even suprised myself and got a few really good times (not top 10 worthy).., but still would be considered great times.

However.., yesterday I decided to start taking a look at the replays for the top 10 times in each event. WOW! The lines some people are taking to get those positions isn't really honorable IMO. I've seen some driving (that should) disqualify players who are making it into the top 10.

I've been grinding away to try and stay in either 1st or 2nd to those on my friend's list. Ah well.., I think I'll just back off on the grind and just focus on golding everything to get the cars.

Still a fun event though.., but not as fun as it could be with the way some are getting their positions.

And since you're not in the top 10, why cry about it? how does this affect you?

Even if PD were to line both sides of the tracks with cones, the top 10 would pretty much remain the same.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

considering 99% of the competition doesn't matter i'm just doing one run through with the DS3 to get golds until the 8th round

 

[GlennGolfer1]

Misleading thread, why are we here?
what is life?

thoughts....?

Agreed, I'm not sure why we are here, I'm thinking it has something to do with donuts, I was on the freeway the other day, and I saw this guy and his jacket said "live to ride, ride to live" and I thought exactly.

 

[AnTiheLT]

Misleading thread, why are we here?
what is life?

thoughts....?

Try and ask Siri that...

 

[Schwartz]

You can't expect the game to contour to how you want it to play. It's just like any other game, such as Call of Duty. You don't hear anyone complaining about how bullets don't drop like they do in real life. That is because it's a game, and if you want to win you'll do anything you can to win. The same goes for Gran Turismo. If you choose not to take the questionable line even though the game allows you to, then you're doin' it wrong. The game isn't doin it wrong, you are.

 

[Skinny DG]

If you choose not to take the questionable line even though the game allows you to, then you're doin' it wrong. The game isn't doin it wrong, you are.

I like this. Could you put that in big bolds at the top of the forum?

You don't hear anyone complaining about how bullets don't drop like they do in real life.

Bullet drop was a big topic in Battlefield.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Try and ask Siri that...

I did a member search for Siri, but could'nt find one that ever made a post.
Then it hit me, Apple

Someone ask her for me. I have no apple product

Bullet drop was a big topic in Battlefield.

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Battlefield is a war simulation.

Ill just leave that there

 

[Ben78]

The GT Academy 2012 is like the lottery. You enter, hope you'll win, even if you know you won't, but you still convince yourself that today may be the day, even though you have no chance, but still, you stay positive, knowing you won't win, but somewhere down there, you believe that your time is now and everything is possible, until you bust your own bubble.

 

[Samus]

You really do have to know all of the secrets and push the games mechanics to be truly quick. In these tests for example on many you need to exploit the 'kerb slot' exploit as I like to call it, where you put your inside wheel over the kerb to force it to grab your car and pull it round the corner. You don't see any drivers doing this in real life even though it would be legal, because it wouldn't work. Kerbs and smooth enough to do it and you would lose traction on the grass.

Then on the 3-5 test some of the fast guys worked out that if you put all four wheels nearly on the grass in the first turn the run off road would give you extra grip as you turn in, making you faster. Again this wouldn't work in real life, you would just spin off on the grass because of the loss of traction.

So yeah, there are lots of little things the fast drivers use to their advantage which they wouldn't be able to do in the real world. Yes it doesn't matter at the moment but it just shows that the very fastest guys aren't just fast on pure speed, it's because they push the game further than most people would. Sure most of them would still be quick without doing that but i'm sure some wouldn't.

 

[Cote Dazur]

The GT Academy 2012 is like the lottery. You enter, hope you'll win, even if you know you won't, but you still convince yourself that today may be the day, even though you have no chance, but still, you stay positive, knowing you won't win, but somewhere down there, you believe that your time is now and everything is possible, until you bust your own bubble.

Very funny, thank you for making me smile

 

[squeakD]

You can't expect the game to contour to how you want it to play. It's just like any other game, such as Call of Duty. You don't hear anyone complaining about how bullets don't drop like they do in real life. That is because it's a game, and if you want to win you'll do anything you can to win. The same goes for Gran Turismo. If you choose not to take the questionable line even though the game allows you to, then you're doin' it wrong. The game isn't doin it wrong, you are.

Sorry, but that's a sad excuse to justify exploits. Using the kerbs to lock a turn is one thing.., but there is flat out track cutting going on. If you condone that then shame on you. These so called "top players" wouldn't be in those positions if they weren't "exploiting" aspects of the game.

Just because there's an exploit that allows you to (in some cases) essentially have ALL four wheels off the track doesn't mean you're in the right using it. Cheating is cheating..., PLAIN AND SIMPLE. It's up to PD to see to it that events are run fairly.

Just because the exploit is there doesn't mean I'm going to use it. Heaven forbid someone actually want to get on the leaderboards top slots by an HONEST lap that doesn't require an exploit. Shame on anyone I guess for looking for "fairness" in this competition.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I agree with your post except for this sentence: These so called "top players" wouldn't be in those positions if they weren't "exploiting" aspects of the game.
The top guys will always be the top guys, even without the short cuts. You are only fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

 

[squeakD]

I agree with your post except for this sentence: These so called "top players" wouldn't be in those positions if they weren't "exploiting" aspects of the game.
The top guys will always be the top guys, even without the short cuts. You are only fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

I know the top players are always going to be where there are.., but this competition would be much more intense if EVERYONE didn't use track exploits, and if those who use them had their times invalidated.

I don't consider myself one of the best in this title.., but I've hit times that even with all the track exploits being used by others that would place me within the top 1-5% on the boards.

I'm just saying that some of those top players would find themselves having to defend their positions like mad if those exploits weren't allowed.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

And I still say your wrong with your last sentence. Yes, they will have to defend, as you say, but each and every one of them will still be there. Granted, their times will not be as fast as with the shortcuts obviously, but the top drivers will still be the top drivers. I'm friends with alot of these guys and know first hand how quick they are. Sorry, but you are not going to tell me that those people are going to have a hard time "defending" without any shortcuts. Thats just rediculous.

EDIT: Hi JORDAN. I see you there, lol.

 

[w-g-e]

And I still say your wrong with your last sentence. Yes, they will have to defend, as you say, but each and every one of them will still be there. Granted, their times will not be as fast as with the shortcuts obviously, but the top drivers will still be the top drivers. I'm friends with alot of these guys and know first hand how quick they are. Sorry, but you are not going to tell me that those people are going to have a hard time "defending" without any shortcuts. Thats just rediculous.

I think he means that some other guys (who are just as fast) are not using the shortcut and therefore are not at the top of the leaderboard. If the shortcut wasn't there the guys who were using the shortcut will have a harder time getting at the top of the leaderboard.

 

[Aesthetiker]

PD seems to react on the grass cutters in the first events. Now in almost every corner stand some pylons. Imho its good to see some reaction on this bug. I agree with the opionion, that we have to deal with the bugs but this way i prefer most!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding his point then. If I am, I apologise.

 

[squeakD]

I think he means that some other guys (who are just as fast) are not using the shortcut and therefore are not at the top of the leaderboard. If the shortcut wasn't there the guys who were using the shortcut will have a harder time getting at the top of the leaderboard.

EXACTLY! Thank you 👍

I know some of these guys at the top are good.., but there are plenty others out there that are (just as good) or very good drivers who ARE NOT using the exploits. The top drivers would be getting a serious run for competition on those spots if those exploits were dealt with by PD.

 

[SidsCycleShop]

IMVHO the fastest line is the one that gets YOU around the track the fastest. Do they toss out times on Top Gear because somebody hooked a tire on Gambon or clipped the corner from the FollowThrough into Bentley? No, they practically give you a medal for being heroic.

IRL the stopwatch is the ultimate judge, and out-of-bounds infractions are usually enforced by Sir Isaac Newton. Often serious lawn mowing results in damage that makes the black flag from the officials redundant.

So just enjoy the fact that electrons and pixels can do things that rubber, alloy, and fiberglass can't. It is, after all, just a game.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

IMVHO the fastest line is the one that gets YOU around the track the fastest. Do they toss out times on Top Gear because somebody hooked a tire on Gambon or clipped the corner from the FollowThrough into Bentley? No, they practically give you a medal for being heroic.

IRL the stopwatch is the ultimate judge, and out-of-bounds infractions are usually enforced by Sir Isaac Newton. Often serious lawn mowing results in damage that makes the black flag from the officials redundant.

So just enjoy the fact that electrons and pixels can do things that rubber, alloy, and fiberglass can't. It is, after all, just a game.

Ok, we are not talking mere curb hooking or corner clipping here. The OP is right on that account. Some of these exploits involve cutting the corner altogether, like the one in Chamonix, or the big ass hole that exists at the TGTT.

 

[Aesthetiker]

It is, after all, just a game.

That is what i mean. And when the game offers some "Bugs" to do it "better" why shouldn't use them. (like reloading in CS 1.6 ) so there is no fault on player's site but....

when PD is searching a good driver who knows more about racinglines and weightdistribution and less about bugusing then they have to be carefull with releasing TT.... only my opinion.

its a pity that slower driver couldn't learn from the top10 replays. They only show how to make it fast.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Double post: Ran out of space.
I still have to disagree with the OP's point. I am a top 50-100 TT driver. If everyone stopped cutting corners, I would still be a top 50-100 driver. If those guys stop cutting, its still not going to make any difference in my placement on the leaderboards. Cutting a corner is not going to gain you as much time as you may think, its not going to turn a top 100 driver into a top 10 driver as far as lap times go. Sounds like you think if everyone stopped cutting, you will suddenly move up the leaderboards. A few spots maybe, but thats all. Ask any of the top drivers and they will all tell you the same thing I just did.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

That is what i mean. And when the game offers some "Bugs" to do it "better" why shouldn't use them. (like reloading in CS 1.6 ) so there is no fault on player's site but....

when PD is searching a good driver who knows more about racinglines and weightdistribution and less about bugusing then they have to be carefull with releasing TT.... only my opinion.

its a pity that slower driver couldn't learn from the top10 replays. They only show how to make it fast.

Your last statement is way off base. I used to be a way slower driver and I have learned loads from the top guys. And it doesn't involve corner cutting. Half of those guys are my friends and are very good drivers. So, you better rethink that last statement there.

 

[Aesthetiker]

Sounds like you think if everyone stopped cutting, you will suddenly move up the leaderboards. A few spots maybe, but thats all. Ask any of the top drivers and they will all tell you the same thing I just did.

My thought was... A top1000 driver is wondering why his time and racingline is far from the top. then he watches some replays of top10 and suddenly he gets up to top500. What did just happen?

Maybe he check the replays in datalog and find some mistakes he made and improve hisself

or

he just think "oh, damn. without cutting corners and curbs i dont have a chance to place in top250."

I dont want to blame somebody and maybe i couldnt express myself how i want.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

If he is only as skilled as a top 1000 driver, he is certainly not going to make it to the leaderboards if everyone stopped cutting. His own skill is only going to take him so far, regardless of what everyone else does. Its simple logic and you guys are missing that point.
Look. Example: Joe Blow is a top 10 driver. He cuts corner, becomes #1. He is a fast driver anyway, his corner cut gained him a few spots. He would be top 10 anyway because of his skill on the rest of the track. Works the other way around also. The OP may be a top 500 driver because of his skill level, thats all he will ever be without getting better through practice. My point is this, the fast guys are going to be fast anyway because of their skill on the track, corner cutting or not. Like I said, my ranking on the leaderboard is not going to improve because people stop cutting. Its not magic and it doesn't work like that. Quite frankly, and I say this not to be mean, but the OP just needs to stop crying and keep practicing.

 

[squeakD]

If he is only as skilled as a top 1000 driver, he is certainly not going to make it to the leaderboards if everyone stopped cutting. His own skill is only going to take him so far, regardless of what everyone else does. Its simple logic and you guys are missing that point.
Look. Example: Joe Blow is a top 10 driver. He cuts corner, becomes #1. He is a fast driver anyway, his corner cut gained him a few spots. He would be top 10 anyway because of his skill on the rest of the track. Works the other way around also. The OP may be a top 500 driver because of his skill level, thats all he will ever be without getting better through practice. My point is this, the fast guys are going to be fast anyway because of their skill on the track, corner cutting or not. Like I said, my ranking on the leaderboard is not going to improve because people stop cutting. Its not magic and it doesn't work like that. Quite frankly, and I say this not to be mean, but the OP just needs to stop crying and keep practicing.

Wow..., you can't be serious. Do you play ANYTHING other than GT-5? Do you play any other title that has REAL leaderboards? When you've got as many people competing as we have in this GT Academy.., a few mere tenths of a second can give you a major jump on the leader boards.

Yes.., the good drivers will always be on top (even without the corner cutting). However their "so called" excellent skills would be put to a serious test if they WERE NOT ALLOWED to use track exploits. I've downloaded ghosts from the top drivers and in many instances managed to stay WITH THEM on some spots.., but when they used an exploit the advantage they got from the exploit was pretty significant.

The problem is there are A LOT of good drivers out there who don't get to see top spots because they REFUSE to exploit. So what.., you going to tell everyone who PLAYS BY THE FREAKIN RULES to quit whining and complaining.

ARE YOU USING SOME OF THESE TRACK EXPLOITS YOURSELF?????

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

No, I don't use exploits, lets be clear about that right now. Look, I tried to explain things to you the best I could. Sounds to me like your just making excuses for your lack of skill. Other than the first test with the Leaf which had some cuts, the competition has been clean so far. You are allowed two tires off the track you know. If you are trying to be perfect with all 4 tires on the track, then that may be your problem. I'm done trying to talk sense to you. Stop whinning and go practice.