Wheel vs Controller

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thanks for the reply...

i'm getting a DFGT tomorrow i think (if it's still in stock)... i was hoping that the difference would be larger than just 0.3 seconds though, but oh well.

it will be more fun for sure.

now i just have to order the WSPro


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JCoop
I vote for the wheel, definitely. It helps me train myself with late braking techniques and deciding apex points; skills that I need to get better at in my real driving exploits (AutoX and track days).
Also, my Logitech Driving Force GT has on-wheel controls that allow real time adjustments to traction control, brake bias, 4WD bias, and ABS while racing. I don't think you can do that on a controller.
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you can, as i do, but it is more finicky...besides, apart from ABS, i drive with no driver aids anyway so it's not worth me going into the menu just to make a small change to the brakes, regardless of whether or not i'm using a wheel.
if it was possible to change the TM mid-race (which wouldn't make sense anyway) then i'd use it a lot more, for sure

to add the in-game adjustments to your DS3/pad, go to options, controller (DS3), and select all of the RA menu features. i have the menu on/off set to O, and the d-pad for the other four (select up/down; adjust left/right)
 
Leadpaint
As i have stated before....its not the wheel, its the pedals. These give you so much more control over the gas/brake than the DS3 ever will. This is the advantage gained here...nothing more.:drool:
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i am still using a DS3, but this is what i figured. the DS3 does make it hard to steer, but throttle control on the DS3 is difficult in high powered cars, which do not respond well to off/on throttle modulation.

i changed my throttle to the R2 lever, added an extension to the lever so i could more easily modulate it. now, instead of being off/on, i'm off/partly-on/full-on, which isn't a lot better, but helps enough to make it around the a tight track in cars over 750hp.

i can't afford a wheel yet, but i'm hungry for one so i can actually simulate driving instead of just playing a game with a joystick. hate it!
 
scuudz
I could give you several reasons that pertain to me in this case:

1. If I buy a wheel, I want a good stand for it too. That would cost me at least $250 unless I want to make a stand myself, and I just dont have the time to do that.

2. I love GT5, and it is going to be the only racing game I play. I cannot justify spending $250 on something just for one game.
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sorry but your argument fails right there... I have a normal desk and a Logitech Driving Force Pro... you don't need a stand normal kitchen table or anything works...

And another thing... this is a driving game so it's obviously easier with a wheel but more fun cuz you're driving cars - and if i'm right steering wheels are used for steering in those 4 wheeled machines... not some controller...

I also found that with a wheel I can constantly go fast with a wheel whereas in a controller I'll maybe do two/three go laps and then spin out...
 
HortusIX
i have a question:

can somebody (or more than one person) who owns a wheel AND a pad please post some comparitive times up on this thread as i'm really interested to learn the difference in lap times between the two.

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The problem is, once you get a wheel, you're not going to devote equal amounts of time maintaining the skill required to drive well using both methods of control, that is, unless you have insane amounts of free time on your hands. It takes time to adjust moving from one to the other.

It also bears mentioning that while you may get competitive lap times using a controller, it's easier to consistently run fast laps with a wheel (IMO). This really adds up lap after lap.
 
maciej908
sorry but your argument fails right there... I have a normal desk and a Logitech Driving Force Pro... you don't need a stand normal kitchen table or anything works...

And another thing... this is a driving game so it's obviously easier with a wheel but more fun cuz you're driving cars - and if i'm right steering wheels are used for steering in those 4 wheeled machines... not some controller...

I also found that with a wheel I can constantly go fast with a wheel whereas in a controller I'll maybe do two/three go laps and then spin out...
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I said they were reasons that PERTAIN TO ME. I was answering a question in which the author assumed that anyone that buys a game labelled 'The Real Driving Simulator' would/should buy a wheel. I was listing out reasons that are specific to me as to why I wouldn't buy a wheel. So, kindly do not tell me where my argument fails when I am talking about my own situation.

Everyone's situation is different and they may or may not buy a wheel for a variety of reasons. For example, in your case a kitchen table works. I have a pub-style kitchen table that is about 5 feet off the ground and I can't move it to where my TV is. Secondly, 'anything' does not work. I race with a bunch of guys online who are using make-shift tables as stands and all of them crave for a proper stand such as a wheel stand pro. Again, to emphasize my point, every one is different.

Yes, I agree that it would be more fun playing the game with a wheel. What that has to do with pointing out that you drive a real car with a steering wheel and not a controller...I dont know. You've lost me there because the last time I checked GT5 is a video game and not some magical disc which you put in your PS3 and real cars appear out of nowhere. Therefore, like all video games, people might use a controller or an accessory such as a wheel in this case.
 
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scuudz
I said they were reasons that PERTAIN TO ME. I was answering a question in which the author assumed that anyone that buys a game labelled 'The Real Driving Simulator' would/should buy a wheel. I was listing out reasons that are specific to me as to why I wouldn't buy a wheel. So, kindly do not tell me where my argument fails when I am talking about my own situation.
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I suppose you're right... people are, in different situations... :)

scuudz
Yes, I agree that it would be more fun playing the game with a wheel. What that has to do with pointing out that you drive a real car with a steering wheel and not a controller...I dont know. You've lost me there because the last time I checked GT5 is a video game and not some magical disc which you put in your PS3 and real cars appear out of nowhere. Therefore, like all video games, people might use a controller or an accessory such as a wheel in this case.
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All I wanted to say is that obviously PD dedicated more time into making the best game posible for a steering wheel as driving simulation can be replicated much better than with a controller... And they want you to play it with a steering wheel rather than a controller...
 
tezster
The problem is, once you get a wheel, you're not going to devote equal amounts of time maintaining the skill required to drive well using both methods of control, that is, unless you have insane amounts of free time on your hands. It takes time to adjust moving from one to the other.

It also bears mentioning that while you may get competitive lap times using a controller, it's easier to consistently run fast laps with a wheel (IMO). This really adds up lap after lap.
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thanks. i'm not expecting anyone to put in two hours+ of practice using each type of controller, i just want to know whether or not the reviews etc i've come across are exaggerating things slightly...

is it realistic to expect an improvement as large as 2-3 seconds per lap?

i'm getting my wheel sooner than i expected (tomorrow morning) so i'll do some of my own 'research' but it would still be nice to know the differences others are experiencing, as opposed to reading post after post of "the wheel is much better than the pad!", "get a wheel now!" "G27 rules!" etc which don't actually provide any hard evidence and seem to be posted by the employees of the companies responsible for making the wheels who want to use the gtplanet forums as some sort of unofficial advertising space
 
that's an unusual set-up!

i use the right stick to accelerate and brake (easier to apply the throttle progressively), the left stick to steer, r1 is handbrake, l1 for rear view, triangle for reverse
 
A person is going to the Florida "nationals" for the GT Academy and made it using a DS3. That should be a graphic example that "equal speed" can be found with either peripheral.
 
I have ds3 and can only do one of 3 of the Sebastian vettel challenges it's so hard to me.I'm looking at getting a wheel with a bugget of 80 quid.I was looking at the official gt5 steering wheel which goes for 50 quid on eBay.is this wheel any good? Please don't tell me it's rubbish and that I should get a g25/27 cause I simply can't afford that regardless of it being much better.
 
HortusIX
thanks. i'm not expecting anyone to put in two hours+ of practice using each type of controller, i just want to know whether or not the reviews etc i've come across are exaggerating things slightly...

is it realistic to expect an improvement as large as 2-3 seconds per lap?

i'm getting my wheel sooner than i expected (tomorrow morning) so i'll do some of my own 'research' but it would still be nice to know the differences others are experiencing, as opposed to reading post after post of "the wheel is much better than the pad!", "get a wheel now!" "G27 rules!" etc which don't actually provide any hard evidence and seem to be posted by the employees of the companies responsible for making the wheels who want to use the gtplanet forums as some sort of unofficial advertising space
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Dude, hope your gonna post some feedback, I'm hoping to order my wheel in April :)
 
lol this guy sure cries alot, grow up dude you have family to take care of.. for crying out loud.
 
priesty_lfc
Dude, hope your gonna post some feedback, I'm hoping to order my wheel in April :)
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well i already have some times noted down in my 'GT diary' that i've posted using a DS3 so i'll just compare them to the ones i get with the wheel. will probably start tomorrow pm.

i think i have this thread on subscribe (or i will) so i'll come back with some feedback, sure
 
scca_ziptie
A person is going to the Florida "nationals" for the GT Academy and made it using a DS3. That should be a graphic example that "equal speed" can be found with either peripheral.
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it should be!

sadly, though, it serves only as a depressant ¬_¬
 
priesty_lfc
Dude, hope your gonna post some feedback, I'm hoping to order my wheel in April :)
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just checking back in about comparing the lap times between the two controller types.

i have my wheel, but i haven't used it yet as i'm waiting until i get the wheel stand pro. i did test it briefly but it was a little awkward having it rest on my lap so i'll dedicate some time to comparisons as soon as the wspro comes through.

anybody else noticing changes in lap times between pad and wheel though?

EDIT: my wspro came yesterday and so i set up my dfgt straight away and started playing gt5. i have to say, it's a lot harder to play with a wheel than it is with a pad. at least it's been that way for me so far...
around the madrid circuit i was managing 1:20s in my 550PP Lexus LFA using a pad but as soon as I started using my wheel, my times dropped back down to the 1:23s, occasionally dipping into 1:22 territory.
i was expecting an improvement but it hasn't happened this way yet. maybe it's got something to do with my wheel settings (power steering ON and feedback 5) so i might have a play around with them next time.
i'll keep plugging away though because i witnessed somebody getting a 1:18.3 in a Z4 M Coupe which is a pretty fast lap time around that circuit with a 550PP restriction and no aids.
 
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