When SaleenS7 met Pagani ZondaC12S !!!

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Just curious what a better car between both of this, Top speed, 0-100
,¼ mile ,1000m, Handling, on the Track,when modify and etc.
Because both of them are almost a same prize, HP , weight
Although in the real world I love a Zonda much more S7
Thanks for your opinion

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GEMu
 
GeorgeMorley
Im not sure, but when i practise against them, the salleens faster
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No, no, no and no. Did I say no? (Sarcasm)

Well actually I tested the Zonda and Saleen on Nurb and Test Course.
The Zonda got 5.2 approx. faster than the Saleen. On Test Course, it was sort of equal though the Zonda came 0.681 faster than the Saleen. I guess this probably makes the Zonda a better handler than the Saleen, but in speed, they are probably well-matched to make a tough battle. (Note: I tested both completely stock)
 
I think that the Zonda is better, it has great acceleration, until 300kph, after that is kinda slow, but it also has great handling.
I just drove the Saleen once, and I didn't like it, the gearbox sucks, and for me that car is very ugly.
I'll go with the Zonda
 
The Zonda all the way. Speed, handling, and looks just make it better. But they are still a close comparison to me, So I still have to give the Saleen some credit:)
 
i would prefer the Zonda IRL, as the name sounds better! besides, we have a lot of rising salt problems here, and the word saleen gets used too much
 
GeorgeMorley
the s7 is faster but heavier (i think)
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Noop !!
It's a same weight 1250kg
and same HP 550
but a Zonda faster IMO ,Hi speed and Apex However Zonda big problem is it's braking I thought it's a little fade or Maybe it just my Imagination -*-

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GEMu
 
The Zonda is faster, on a handling track. It's inherently less prone to understeer than the Saleen, and quite precise. The Saleen might be better at 10/10ths on race meats and fully modified, but I have yet to try it.

Both have that "supercar braking problem", wherein you're doing racecar speeds on roadcar brakes. They need a lot of early braking to get good laptimes.
 
saleen drives like a bus! Dont steer for peanuts! Give me the Zonda. America makes some nice looking fast cars but they dont have the twisting roads of europe! In the UK we have a TV program called TOP GEAR they test the cars on a track. The Zonda still holds the record.
 
Zonda is much faster and more powerful. It can reach 300mph.
Saleen maxes out at 900HP. I could get it as fast as 293mph.

Anyway, if you want better handling, the Saleen can do good.
 
thedeester1
saleen drives like a bus! Dont steer for peanuts! Give me the Zonda. America makes some nice looking fast cars but they dont have the twisting roads of europe! In the UK we have a TV program called TOP GEAR they test the cars on a track. The Zonda still holds the record.
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I watched that on BBCP , JC and the Stig burn rubber around TG testtrack, and compare the powerful engine to god, scream like a boy , do a Timeattack
I remember that ZondaF is a fastest one around that Track 1.18 or something
Nice show though !

Clarkson doesnt like American's cars
So I dont.

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GEMu
 
GEMu
Clarkson doesnt like American's cars
So I dont.
GEMu
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Clarkson owns a Ford GT and loves it (last I heard).

The Saleen has what is probably the worst on-throttle understeer of any supercar in the game. It drives straight off corners at very slow speeds (for a supercar). The Pagani totally blows it away in the handling department.
 
You guys suck at driving, plain and simple. I tend to drive the S7 all over the place, especially on the Nürburgring, handles well and brakes evern better. I think that many of you decide to drive one exactly like you drive a similar car, you for one should know that doesn't work. When I first played GT4 I thought the S7 was crap, wondered why it was soo hard to handle, then remembered what 550hp car is easy to handle, started taking a lot of things into account, like distance and balance when braking. So far I have pulled 7:26 if i can remember right on road tires(N3) in the S7, that was in arcade mode too. All cars understeer, heck it's deliberately dialed in, but if you push a car you are more than likely to understeer on corners, maybe if you slowed down before the turn then accelerate through it, you'd be able to gauge just how fat you can actually take the turn. Too many lead footed GT4 drivers, TCS saves a lot of you, but it doesn't work as well on a multitude of cars, makes handling the S7 a chore at times. Turn it off and you can oversteer to your liking. I'll give all th Zonda's a test out, the car itself doesn't interest me, especially after it's terrible outing in GT3, but I'm pretty sure that in Arcade mode the S7 will probably out do it.
 
The Zonda would lose...

I will Take both around the Ring, and give a viable time difference. The only way to drive the Saleen is to Grab ahold of a Wild Bear and Hold on for your life. Its a fantastic drive, if your skills are up to it, and Without a doubt is the more aggresive one in the bunch..

I'm not trying to be rude, but what Evil said does hold some weight. hehe Nuff Said. :)
 
SavageEvil
You guys suck at driving, plain and simple. I tend to drive the S7 all over the place, especially on the Nürburgring, handles well and brakes evern better. I think that many of you decide to drive one exactly like you drive a similar car, you for one should know that doesn't work. When I first played GT4 I thought the S7 was crap, wondered why it was soo hard to handle, then remembered what 550hp car is easy to handle, started taking a lot of things into account, like distance and balance when braking. So far I have pulled 7:26 if i can remember right on road tires(N3) in the S7, that was in arcade mode too. All cars understeer, heck it's deliberately dialed in, but if you push a car you are more than likely to understeer on corners, maybe if you slowed down before the turn then accelerate through it, you'd be able to gauge just how fat you can actually take the turn. Too many lead footed GT4 drivers, TCS saves a lot of you, but it doesn't work as well on a multitude of cars, makes handling the S7 a chore at times. Turn it off and you can oversteer to your liking. I'll give all th Zonda's a test out, the car itself doesn't interest me, especially after it's terrible outing in GT3, but I'm pretty sure that in Arcade mode the S7 will probably out do it.
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Or do you suck at driving the Zonda?
SavageEvil, you won't be able to compare the 2 cars because you drove the Saleen too much and never had any interest in the Zonda, plain and simple, period.
 
SavageEvil
You guys suck at driving, plain and simple. I tend to drive the S7 all over the place, especially on the Nürburgring, handles well and brakes evern better. I think that many of you decide to drive one exactly like you drive a similar car, you for one should know that doesn't work. When I first played GT4 I thought the S7 was crap, wondered why it was soo hard to handle, then remembered what 550hp car is easy to handle, started taking a lot of things into account, like distance and balance when braking. So far I have pulled 7:26 if i can remember right on road tires(N3) in the S7, that was in arcade mode too. All cars understeer, heck it's deliberately dialed in, but if you push a car you are more than likely to understeer on corners, maybe if you slowed down before the turn then accelerate through it, you'd be able to gauge just how fat you can actually take the turn. Too many lead footed GT4 drivers, TCS saves a lot of you, but it doesn't work as well on a multitude of cars, makes handling the S7 a chore at times. Turn it off and you can oversteer to your liking. I'll give all th Zonda's a test out, the car itself doesn't interest me, especially after it's terrible outing in GT3, but I'm pretty sure that in Arcade mode the S7 will probably out do it.
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My B-Spec driver, Pestilence, says "Whu?".

Trial Mountain
1'33.720 - Pagani Zonda 7.3 '02
1'34.736 - Pagani Zonda S '00
1'35.030 - Saleen S7 '02
1'37.394 - Pagani Zonda C12 '00
(Driver rating: 9998/100/99/99)
 
Sorry about the outburst the other day, I was already tired of hearing everyone trying to downplay Saleen. It's weird how people can talk soo much crap

I'll have to purchase a Zonda, which ever version is pretty much evenly matched with the S7, I know there are like 3 of them and one had the same HP as the S7, and one over and the other below. I'll give it a go, hopefully it handles better than it did in GT3, where the damn thing couldn't stop to save itself from mediocre.


Anyone notice that only in arcade mode you can disable ABS, the way S7 is supposed to be set up is No ABS but TCS active. Can't do that so I just turn em both off.

I don't suck at driving the Zonda, if I can tear around the Nür in the Spirra and the Ford GT and not really have problems, you think the Zonda is anything? Try driving the Alpine, lol.

Update:
Just drove the Zonda C12S around the Nür, while it accelerates faster than the S7, well it feels that way, this things suspension is way to soft, the cars gets unsettled and it takes forever to correct, it's brakes are poor and it's prone to oversteer, with a lil bit of understeer under braking.

While this and the S7 are pretty much evenly matched PTW wise, the S7 in stock form is a better handler well on the Nür anyway. Mind you I drive on N3's with no driving aids. Will test on S3's or S2's to see if the grip will compensate for anything.
 
Well according to my testing on the Nurburgring, where I can get very fast, clean, and repeatable laps in any car after 1-2 laps of driving, they're just about even. On S2 tires with oil changes and 0 TCS/ASM, I got:

Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 '02 7'02.804 Italy
Saleen S7 '02 7'03.467 USA

So they're very evenly matched. From what I remember about driving them, the Saleen does have a tendency to understeer, which you compensate for by being more careful and applying part-throttle out of the corners. The understeer makes it a much more stable high-speed car than the Zonda though, which can tend to bounce around the track a bit. However, it does handle much crisper and is much more neutral in its handling. Driven correctly, the cars are nearly dead even. If I had to recommend one, I'd probably choose the Zonda, because the Saleen can be frustrating given the massive understeer if you push it too hard.
 
OK now after going a few rounds with both cars in stock form in arcade mode, the S7 is more stable on medium to light turns as well as high speeds, but will understeer if gas is applied too early during corner exits. Built in trait as almost all race cars are built with understeer dialed in.

The Zonda C12S while almost dead even in stats, is a faster car, it's stock settings aren't the best for driving race courses, as it's suspension has a lot of travel, the car tends to rock and roll. It's got lots of oversteer and does the opposite of the S7 coming out of turns, but understeers badly under hard braking. The Zonda because of it's oversteer bias is a faster car, simply because you can coax your way through a turn with oversteer as opposed to understeer in the S7.

In GT4 the Zonda C12S 7.3 bests the Saleen S7 ever soo slightly, I have learned to deal with the S7, and will conquer the C12S...in a day or two. But in stock trim the C12S is better, haven't done it with suspension tweaks, gear changes and I prefer to test cars with similar PTW's.

*In other news, I was whipping around the Nür in my ProtoMoto Spirra, I forgot how unruly this little machine is stock, but I tuned it to 500hp and on Road Tires, if it weren't for the massive oversteer, this car can ride with the Zonda and S7.

Back to testing more vehicles, I'm feeling like Shelby Series 1.
 
I think in the hands of a pro, the S7 might win. Even if the 2 two just had upgraded tires, I'm guessing that when pushed, the S7 would pull more g's; probably better overall on a high-speed track. I'd give it to the Zonda though on something short. . .

edit: appears otherwise. Oh well, just a game.

 
The Alien
I think in the hands of a pro, the S7 might win. Even if the 2 two just had upgraded tires, I'm guessing that when pushed, the S7 would pull more g's; probably better overall on a high-speed track. I'd give it to the Zonda though on something short. . .

edit: appears otherwise. Oh well, just a game.

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Lol yes in the game the S7 isn't as adept as it is in RL.
Hopefully GT5 will give all 3 versions of the S7.
'02, '06 750hp and 1000?hp, with and without the downforce package
 
SavageEvil
Lol yes in the game the S7 isn't as adept as it is in RL.
Hopefully GT5 will give all 3 versions of the S7.
'02, '06 750hp and 1000?hp, with and without the downforce package
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Mmm, I've noticed some G discrepencies: IRL, the S7 is supposedly able to pull around 1.1G, which, obviously is a large amount for something on street-legal rubber compared to .98 G on the Zonda. This is noticeable in Forza, I'm not sure what other games feature both cars though.
 
On what rubber, though?

This is getting interesting... I'm thinking of having a go in those cars around the 'Ring again... I've got my chops ready, I've been practicing in the Spirra on N's.
 
niky
On what rubber, though?

This is getting interesting... I'm thinking of having a go in those cars around the 'Ring again... I've got my chops ready, I've been practicing in the Spirra on N's.
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I believe stock, but that could be the difference between a 5mm groove and a racing tyre. . .

But realistically, the tires are probably quite similar (as similar as supercar tyres get) as either manufacturer isn't going to spend millions developing a tyre solely for a particular vehicle (unlike Mercedes), I put the different grip levels on the engine layout and natural suspension setups as the main reason the S7 is rated higher (ie. mechanical grip). . .was that coherent enough?
 

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