Where is the premium Supra RZ

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Short Bus
This has become a silly competition when it doesn't have to be. Each of these cars left their mark in their on way and in some ways are incomparable.

When the RX-7 came out it was like the Miata of it's day, a cheap, affordable sports car alternative to bigger, heavier, more expensive cars. That's something the Supra, nor the Z in any iteration (aside from maybe the 240) can claim.

I readily agree that the Supra is a great car, but this conversation is reaching fanboy levels of enthusiasm.
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Don't get me wrong i would love to own a RX7 but the reliability issues keep me from getting one, and thats the reason the MK4 comes on top. And for the point i own a R33 gtst, but i'm not afraid to say nothing matches the reliability of a toyota.

Short Bus
In the USA, a near mint FD RX-7 brings top dollar. Hardly "next to nothing".
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In Japan it depends which model of RX7 the last of line spirit R's go for around 25000k but last line Supra go for a minimum of 45000k.
 
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STJ88
Don't get me wrong i would love to own a RX7 but the reliability issues keep me from getting one, and thats the reason the MK4 comes on top. And for the point i own a R33 gtst, but i'm not afraid to say nothing matches the reliability of a toyota.
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The Mk4 Supra wasn't perfect either. Despite it's great handling numbers, my experience with running against them at track with good drivers behind the wheel suggest that they didn't do as well around turns as the magazines suggest as I was easily able to keep up with them with an unmodified WRX back in 2002.

They were reliable, good looking, had gobs of horsepower, and generally had a lot going for them..... but these days they're difficult to find for a price that reflects the performance they offer in comparison to newer model cars. Maybe it's because they were so loved that they've achieved classic status far earlier than they otherwise would have, but that makes them useless to the average car enthusiast like myself.

....and as far as the FD RX-7, yeah.... under the hood that car was a massive pile of crap. Superb chassis though, it's a shame they weren't able to put a proper engine in it.
 
I struggle to understand why pd have not made a premium supra rz? Yet they did the older one???
 
Another thing to keep in mind about the Mk4 Supra..... for *years* it was only available with an automatic transmission. Which, back then, sucked because auto gearboxes of the '90's weren't nearly as good as the auto options we have now.
 
TeamOrecaViper
Its almost like KAZ in his young days got his first Nissan Skyline (his big love i think since he got 100's of them in game)
And lost his first dragrace against a supra rz :p he coudnt handle it so stopped putting supras in the game.
must be something like that... hehe.



Isnt beating a nissan skyline or a honda nsx a good promo ? :p
And its looks still up to date...
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this is true, but you wont see any of those cars on Toyota's lot. Its like Toyota doesn't want to portray there company with out of date cars with caste iron engines. they just want to make money pleasing the majority market for Eco boxes and there new GT 86
 
Short Bus
Another thing to keep in mind about the Mk4 Supra..... for *years* it was only available with an automatic transmission. Which, back then, sucked because auto gearboxes of the '90's weren't nearly as good as the auto options we have now.
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Thats not true the MK4 was available with 6mt since its launch in all regions!
 
STJ88
Thats not true the MK4 was available with 6mt since its launch in all regions!
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My memory was slightly wrong, but what you've stated is incorrect as well.

It was 1996 where the Supra wasn't available with a 6mt. I thought it was a few more years than just one.
 
Short Bus
My memory was slightly wrong, but what you've stated is incorrect as well.

It was 1996 where the Supra wasn't available with a 6mt. I thought it was a few more years than just one.
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Yeah maybe in the US i'm always looking at JDM supra's.
 
STJ88
Yeah maybe in the US i'm always looking at JDM supra's.
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Gotcha, yeah it was probably just in the US then.

I don't mean to misrepresent myself. I love the Supra, and if I had the money to afford one of the "big 4" Japanese turbo cars in the '90's my heart would say RX-7, but my brain would say Supra. In the end I probably would have gone with the Supra, especially if the RX-7s reliability issues were known to me at the time.
 
why is this topic bumped twice?

i dont hope any premiums get upgraded for money in gt5 anymore, i didnt like the beetle and jaguar in
 
TeamOrecaViper
Its almost like KAZ in his young days got his first Nissan Skyline (his big love i think since he got 100's of them in game)
And lost his first dragrace against a supra rz :p he coudnt handle it so stopped putting supras in the game.
must be something like that... hehe.



Isnt beating a nissan skyline or a honda nsx a good promo ? :p
And its looks still up to date...
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His big love is the Ford GT. He owns 2 in real life. He even said it in an interview once. I'M guessing the lack of a premium Supra RZ is because of finding one to model. It's hard to find a stock one nowadays. I agree that they should make a premium one, but they should just focus on adding newer cars. I'm surprised if Toyota themselves don't have a stock model. I mean, Nissan for example collects all their models in one giant warehouse.

And in my opinion, the NSX had a bigger impact than the Supra. Great car, chassis tuning by Senna, great design (for the time it looked amazing) and unexpected from a Japanese manufacturer. The only disappointment was the engine. It wasn't powerful enough. But other than that, the Supra's only impact was with the 2JZ-GTE turbo engine.
 
Short Bus
My memory was slightly wrong, but what you've stated is incorrect as well.

It was 1996 where the Supra wasn't available with a 6mt. I thought it was a few more years than just one.
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The above is true. You couldn't get a 6 speed model because it failed to meet the new (at the time) OBD-II certification. The manual did come back in 1997.

To me, instead of ugrading the Supra already in the game, I would rather get a 2002 model.
 
STJ88
Sorry to break it to you but the MK4 supra left a ten times bigger impact than the 300ZX , rx7 and nsx together. The 2jz has become a legend and is probably on of the toughest engines ever build, just look at the amount of engine swaps people do.

And the second hand prices reflect my opinion, you can buy a rx7 or 300ZX for next to nothing! But even a prefacelift MK4 goes for 25000 dollars in Japan.
And don't think i'm some fanboy i like all JDM cars but the Supra is king, only the GTR is on the same level.
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Wow a nsx mops the supra's ass , in gt500 supras were normally the only cars that weren't handicapped
 
88FoxBodyFan
The above is true. You couldn't get a 6 speed model because it failed to meet the new (at the time) OBD-II certification. The manual did come back in 1997.

To me, instead of ugrading the Supra already in the game, I would rather get a 2002 model.
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lowwatt
why is this topic bumped twice?

i dont hope any premiums get upgraded for money in gt5 anymore, i didnt like the beetle and jaguar in
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Because people have an interest in the topic and want something done about it?

That's your opinion, not everyone else's.
The Beetle isn't a standard upgrading to Premium BTW.

The Jaguar is upgraded because of the historic significance and also the fact that another premium Group C would be welcomed by nearly all.

TheeFrogmanlego
Wow a nsx mops the supra's ass , in gt500 supras were normally the only cars that weren't handicapped
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Well Supra's weren't exactly designed for GT500, they were just designed to be a GT/Sports car.

The NSX however was specifically designed to be a Super car and when designing the car they used the Ferrari 348 as their benchmark.

The NSX had handicaps compared to the Supra due to the body shape - aerodynamic benefits, the weight of the car was far lighter and as a result it handled so much better than the Supra.
This resulted in them being handicapped so it was a more fair race.

Also the fact that the Supra didn't actually use the 2JZ-GTE but the NSX used their C32B shows that the supra used in the GT500 series, isn't exactly the same as the real road car.

So saying the Supras were rubbish has no meaning other than in GT500 (and they were hardly rubbish there either).

The NSX is a brilliant car, but you can't ignore the greatness or significance of the Supra as a road car either.
 
TheeFrogmanlego
Wow a nsx mops the supra's ass , in gt500 supras were normally the only cars that weren't handicapped
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Not realy the Supra won the Car championship 4 time's, the NSX three time's. But neather of does cars have much to do with there street versions.
 
I the 3rd gen and the 4th gens power wasnt do down. The 7M and the 1JZ are both able to make 700+HP and the 2JZ can make well over 1000+. The Skylines and 3000GTs are down on power as well.
 
1JZs are just as capable of making the power that 2JZs make, the issue is budget and part strength.

Frankly, I don't see why PD can't release a newer RZ than the '97. No need to make a standard premium.
 
What an overrated car.. It is just another mass produced 90's vehicle. I'm happy with the '88, simply because nobody uses it, making it more special and me more proud to drive it.
 
DDAAVVIIDD82
1JZs are just as capable of making the power that 2JZs make, the issue is budget and part strength.

Frankly, I don't see why PD can't release a newer RZ than the '97. No need to make a standard premium.
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Because it doesn't matter there the same, 97 was the last update the supra got. It was manufactured till august 2002 without any changes and then it got discontinued.

But pd is probably gonna label the premium like a 2002 , done that with the premium s15 just to differentiate it from the standard model. And its the same story with the s15 there is no difference between a 1999 model and 2002 .

In the end of the day i will be happy no mather what they call it so long i get my premium mk4 supra. But if you ask me PD is being lazy they can make a premium MK4 in no time, there half way done because the castrol jgtc supra has the same roof, doors, trunk, and glass area as a street supra. Same story with the celica gt four and sc430.
 
STJ88
to differentiate it from the standard model
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That's what I was getting at. However, there were differences in USDM models (I believe in '99 there was no manual option for the Turbo due to emissions regulations), but that doesn't matter because it would likely be the JDM model in the game.

Edit: Nevermind, it was '96 that had no manual Turbo. Shut my mouth.
 
now u can put wheels on it what's the difference

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To be honest, my standard supra holds me over just fine. But the very first day I bought the game, I went into toyota and had a STRONG wtf moment. I mean honestly, WHAT were they thinking making a premium mk3, but not an mkiv
 
seanneedscar
To be honest, my standard supra holds me over just fine. But the very first day I bought the game, I went into toyota and had a STRONG wtf moment. I mean honestly, WHAT were they thinking making a premium mk3, but not an mkiv
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That is true...the Supra does look VERY good for a standard. I also, along with many other Im sure, had the exact same "moment" as you lol....except I had it with more than 1 car.
 
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